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Lotsa health propaganda coming for 2020
« on: June 20, 2019, 07:53:10 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCPW4gvlZLc&feature=youtu.be&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top

When I sent this to my friend on Cape Breton Is. her comment was; there is no waiting if an emergency  ...and we all have healthcare.

The counter or perhaps what's being masked...

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-desperate-for-lifesaving-insulin-americans-head-to-canada/

None the less, it should be an interesting political season ahead. 

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Re: Lotsa health propaganda coming for 2020
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2019, 08:45:21 AM »
What I found most intersting in the article was, "The reason insulin is cheaper in Canada than in the United States is because Canada regulates drug prices."

This is also true for many other parts of the world, especially in developing nations, drugs are made available at a fraction of what we pay in the US. 

But, if the US regulated drug prices to the extent that Canda and other nations, how would the drug compaines survive, let alone create any new drugs?

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Re: Lotsa health propaganda coming for 2020
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2019, 09:17:24 AM »
Drug prices, the heath of pharmaceutical companies, the cost of production, and the health industry in the USA in general doesn't reduce to the simple notion of market forces. if it did we'd have better pharma at lower prices.  The high prices of drugs in the USA is a result of market manipulation.
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Re: Lotsa health propaganda coming for 2020
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2019, 09:27:20 AM »
Drug prices, the heath of pharmaceutical companies, the cost of production, and the health industry in the USA in general doesn't reduce to the simple notion of market forces. if it did we'd have better pharma at lower prices.  The high prices of drugs in the USA is a result of market manipulation.
Yes. As long as you wonít vote into power people who will regulate the excesses of big pharma, they will keep ripping you off. You have chosen this.

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Re: Lotsa health propaganda coming for 2020
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2019, 12:18:58 PM »
Drug prices, the heath of pharmaceutical companies, the cost of production, and the health industry in the USA in general doesn't reduce to the simple notion of market forces. if it did we'd have better pharma at lower prices.  The high prices of drugs in the USA is a result of market manipulation.

No one is saying that (normal) market forces are responsible for high drug costs in the US...there is nothing normal about the economics of healthcare in the US.

I would say that the United States is currently subsidizing (to a significant degree) worldwide pharmaceutical research.

And A-10, we'll see what DT does with drug costs over the next six months or so. Pharmaceutical companies (and their ad agencies) are now in the process of suing the Trump administration over its new pricing disclosure policy for TV ads.  So, perhaps he has hit a nerve...we'll see.

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Re: Lotsa health propaganda coming for 2020
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2019, 02:07:20 PM »
Never mind...
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Re: Lotsa health propaganda coming for 2020
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2019, 01:24:13 AM »
Bean - As far as I can determine, the opinion of the medical community seems to be that Trumpís efforts are sadly likely to be ineffective, and just end up costing you taxpayers money. There are things he could do, but heís not doing them.

https://m.medicalxpress.com/news/2019-01-trump-admin-price-disclosure-policy.html

From a European perspective, you guys seem very meek and mild about what the pharmaceutical companies are doing to you. If this was happening in France there would be rioting on the streets! :)

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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2019, 09:31:05 PM »
...you guys seem very meek and mild about what the pharmaceutical companies are doing to you.

Agreed

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Re: Lotsa health propaganda coming for 2020
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2019, 03:10:32 AM »
There are some who have the Big Pharma faked
clinical trial view.

Many sheep though. Give themselves away to
THE DOCTOR..
Let it come to you..
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Re: Lotsa health propaganda coming for 2020
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2019, 08:47:56 AM »
Actually, supporting the idea that the USA leads the world in medical research requires that you use the wayback machine and return to the 90's or ignore the effects of population and size of the economy. Normalized for population the USA is currently 14th. I don't know what rank it would have by size of the economy but it would be much lower than just normalized by population given per capita income levels.

I think we're more likely subsidizing yachts than innovative drugs or other medical breakthroughs.
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Re: Lotsa health propaganda coming for 2020
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2019, 07:10:22 PM »
You think so huh...

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Re: Lotsa health propaganda coming for 2020
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2019, 04:22:46 AM »
true that, PB

medical "market"---what a joke

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Re: Lotsa health propaganda coming for 2020
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2019, 06:52:47 AM »
I think Trump smart/cagey enough to parry the Dems in healthcare with 'signing ceremonies' forcing people, like zero-history-of-legislation Bernie, even further off the scale of doable.  Trump may corral Dem hopefuls into a round pen where they trample each other like Bernie did to Hillary in '16.  The Republicans are clearly more focused on the goal line, not just the 'play of the day'.

I find it interesting that neither side holds their own accountable for losses when a 'no-chance' savages another's campaign right to the end. These incredible egos are never satisfied.  Ralph Nader comes to mind after Bernie. These guys have a blank stare when asked about the result...

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« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2019, 08:52:52 AM »
These incredible egos are never satisfied. 
The ultimate roadblock for sure...

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Re: Lotsa health propaganda coming for 2020
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2019, 01:40:41 PM »
i am surprised no repubs will run against trump--and i dont mean perot-types---i mean legit, sane, repubs with standards for reasonable behavior

theyre out there--and ill differ with them--but theyre decent humans

wait?? where are they??

kasich?? anyone got the guts to step up??
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