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Re: Lotsa health propaganda coming for 2020
« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2019, 11:48:13 AM »
A10:
"...I see there are signs that the US economy is faltering now too, partly as a result of Trumpís trade wars..."

Bean:
"What is it that you see A10?  Elizabeth Warren?"

ya gotta be more clear bean, yet again--i know you like to be all cryptic, but say something sensible for chrissakes--

like do you think a10 sees the weakening economic release data in the lines in elizabeth warren's face? like, instead of tea leaves?

or do you think it's elizabeth warren who will decide to cut the discount rate and fed funds target rates this thurs---because the US economy is widely considered to be at risk of seriously stagnating??

or maybe you disagree that the tariffs have had an ill effect on the economy--maybe you think they're good for the economy?

who knows what you mean?--in case you do, pls explain!

also, it's "WHO is it that you see? Elizabeth Warren?"



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Re: Lotsa health propaganda coming for 2020
« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2019, 11:52:21 AM »
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Re: Lotsa health propaganda coming for 2020
« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2019, 11:32:58 AM »
Looks like Trump will have ignited a full-on race war before 2020 anyway, so Medicare will be the least of the problems. Maybe heíll suggest his own wife ďgoes homeĒ. But at least she was actually an immigrant.
Well now you've got Boris Johnson to worry about, it seems like you're getting surrounded.
Well, Boris has appointed plenty of ethnic minority and female candidates to his cabinet. So it seems like he isnít trying to start a race war, unlike Trump.


But I guess that from your perspective this mess is somehow all the US immigrantís fault, right? It canít possibly be Trumpís policies, can it? And he can fix all this by telling a few democratically-elected US-citizen representatives to go back to their rodent-infested, crime-ridden communities, right?
Not just for A10~
Words and phrases that are now days considered racist by the left.
Vermin
Rats
Rodents
Inner-city violence
Inner-city corruption
Inner-city youth w/o a father figure at home
Failing inner-city schools
Infestation
The smell of dead animals
Condemned buildings
All Trump supporters

Many of these words and phrases were used recently by the previous mayor of Baltimore Catherine Pugh, an "obviously racist" black woman. Most have see her video unless you don't go beyond the liberal media bubble.
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Re: Lotsa health propaganda coming for 2020
« Reply #33 on: July 31, 2019, 11:50:15 AM »
WW, I would like to think that only a small fragment of the "left" would subscribe to that list.  What scares me, in light of all the extremism, is that Biden now somehow seems like a moderate choice.

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Re: Lotsa health propaganda coming for 2020
« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2019, 11:58:12 AM »
Yep Weasel, Trump is ďthe least racist person there is anywhere in the worldĒ. No doubt about it. He said so, so it must be true.

Great job Trump has done with Little Rocket Man too. Iran, North Korea... normally this is where a president would start calling his equivalents in other countries to share the burden. But when you turn your back on other world leaders and unilaterally tear up agreements to no obvious advantage, then you canít expect them to come running when you need them.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49173514?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/ckgj73ey2ymt/north-korea-missile-tests&link_location=live-reporting-story

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Re: Lotsa health propaganda coming for 2020
« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2019, 12:16:17 PM »
Weasel,

Not sure about some of your list but a lot of it is the targets he picks and the largely baseless opinions he is expressing as president more than the specific language used. The terms are not the problem. You know this. As far as all Trump supporter, I don't think they are all racist but this time around they are all either racist or complicit. Now everyone knows exactly who he is; it isn't just conjecture anymore.  There may be a few who really are fooled and don't think he is a xenophobic, misogynist racist who places the interests of himself and cronies above the US.

I admit that some of the worst things I believe about him are things for which there is only circumstantial and/or unsubstantiated evidence. How many sexual predators do you know? I don't think I know any. Is it happenstance that he knows so many and has so any accusations made against him? Thee are lots of legitimate billionaires out there that aren't constantly accused so I have a hard time believing he is targeted so often just for money or fame.

At this point, it is very difficult for me to muster any respect for anyone who supports him.
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Re: Lotsa health propaganda coming for 2020
« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2019, 01:46:46 PM »
Why did these dumb c'hits do this?

https://assets.realclear.com/images/48/482581.jpg

Was the question; "Would you be willing to pissoff nearly every American who works and pays for health insurance, including the 30 million, not covered by Medicare who currently go without?"

And, 'he who always shakes his finger' like he is saying; "Get off my lawn!"  ...lost the governorship of Vermont in three separate attempts.  My sense is that Bernie would rather pontificate, and lose  ...than legislate, but bathe and preserve the 'purity of his position' for his next run. 

Get off my TV, Bernie.


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Re: Lotsa health propaganda coming for 2020
« Reply #37 on: August 01, 2019, 02:22:15 AM »
From the POV of someone from another country it certainly was a curious watch, viewing the DNC debates. The format had the same problem that we had with our recent debates for Prime Minister: when a bunch of people from the same side spend a lot of time bitching about each other, everyone ends up looking bad. They seem determined to do the Republicanís work for them.

On a more positive note, I was surprised at how radical some of the proposals were. They often seemed vastly at odds with the predominantly very conservative views typically expressed on this forum. Maybe the people who write on this forum are older and wealthier (and whiter) than the population that the Dems seek to represent?

Anyway, the debate was highly relevant to this thread in that there was a lot of talk about healthcare costs. But much as you guys bellyache about healthcare costs and the fact that on average a US citizen spends twice as much on healthcare as in other countries, and that you allow the pharma companies to totally rip you off in terms of drug costs, the impression I get from this forum is that you donít really want change enough for anything to change. It seems to me that you are more afraid that someone else might get a better deal than you, than you are that your own healthcare is good. So you are happy for you to all suffer together, just as long as there are other people suffering more than you.

But as I say, Iím an outsider. And to an outsider it seems baffling: you guys all say you want change but arenít willing to vote for it. So maybe Iíve read this all wrong. And the fact that here in the UK we have healthcare that is free for all at the point of delivery is regarded universally by our citizens as one of our countryís greatest achievements, so itís hard from my perspective to understand why you wouldnít do something similar. Iím not sure what you are afraid of: I know you are skeptical about government-run systems, but are you sure that it could be worse than having a bunch of extremely rich people actively trying (and being helped) to rip you off, which is what you have at the moment?


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Re: Lotsa health propaganda coming for 2020
« Reply #38 on: August 01, 2019, 06:25:24 AM »
10,  I think a large part of the problem is that much of the country has been run as a Con Job or Ponzi scheme ..after some undefined period, perhaps starting with the inflationary spike in the 1970s. (?) and, due to our good fortunes: location, resources, war inflation, and talent    ...much of the population is in a 'falling forward' postureóthey cannot afford to consider alternatives.

'We the people', collectively, via elected officials, have been doing exactly what caused the anguish of 2008 for many decades - we keep borrowing to spend more so we can borrow/spend more.*  Nearly every one of those people on that stage has plans to hand out more 'free money' via some entity that will enrich itself.

Old people like me are riding the Socialist Express while screaming at the TV about The Border (while 11 million Juans cut our grass for cash) ...and Baltimore.  We got ours - FU!

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Re: Lotsa health propaganda coming for 2020
« Reply #39 on: August 01, 2019, 06:27:24 AM »
...but are you sure that it could be worse than having a bunch of extremely rich people actively trying (and being helped) to rip you off, which is what you have at the moment?

That's a great argument A-10, but unlike other countries that offer universal health care, the US simply has too much economic baggage to do the same.  For a so-called "rich" country we have vast pockets of poverty that need to be considered. 

Keep in mind that any universal health care plan for the US if enacted today, would require a complete re-shuffling of a $700 billion annual industry. 

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Re: Lotsa health propaganda coming for 2020
« Reply #40 on: August 01, 2019, 06:54:38 AM »
...but are you sure that it could be worse than having a bunch of extremely rich people actively trying (and being helped) to rip you off, which is what you have at the moment?

That's a great argument A-10, but unlike other countries that offer universal health care, the US simply has too much economic baggage to do the same.  For a so-called "rich" country we have vast pockets of poverty that need to be considered. 

Keep in mind that any universal health care plan for the US if enacted today, would require a complete re-shuffling of a $700 billion annual industry.
That last bit is why I think MFA might be a good alternative. They can shore it up so it basically covers everything and then gradually lower the age. Not too slowly; they should have everyone on it within a few years, but slow enough to give the industry time to adjust.
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Re: Lotsa health propaganda coming for 2020
« Reply #41 on: August 01, 2019, 07:49:11 AM »
...but are you sure that it could be worse than having a bunch of extremely rich people actively trying (and being helped) to rip you off, which is what you have at the moment?

That's a great argument A-10, but unlike other countries that offer universal health care, the US simply has too much economic baggage to do the same.  For a so-called "rich" country we have vast pockets of poverty that need to be considered. 

But income inequality in the US is only a relatively small amount greater than in the UK. So I suspect this is just another of the narratives that those who benefit from the current healthcare system tell US citizens: ďyou couldnít afford to pay for all the poor peopleĒ. Well, you could if you paid what you should be paying for your medical care - which is about half what you are currently paying :)

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Re: Lotsa health propaganda coming for 2020
« Reply #42 on: August 01, 2019, 08:31:54 AM »
Let's assume that 1/2 the cost is correct, what happens to the rest of the $700 billion industry that had existed.  My concern is how do we phase out all that dead-wood without creating a vacuum of fraud and abuse. 

I think RTG might be on the right track.

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« Reply #43 on: August 01, 2019, 08:45:06 AM »
The 700bn industry will still exist. Itís just that they will be working for YOU not some rich git on a yacht somewhere and his champagne-swilling golf-buddies. So YOU are in control, not them. Iím endlessly amazed at how a bunch of people who say they believe in freedom and liberty are willing to hand over control of the most important thing in their lives (their health) to a bunch of strangers they have absolutely no control over. Thatís not freedom, thatís servitude. Why do you accept it?

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« Reply #44 on: August 01, 2019, 10:36:29 AM »
The 700bn industry will still exist. Itís just that they will be working for YOU not some rich git on a yacht somewhere and his champagne-swilling golf-buddies. So YOU are in control, not them. Iím endlessly amazed at how a bunch of people who say they believe in freedom and liberty are willing to hand over control of the most important thing in their lives (their health) to a bunch of strangers they have absolutely no control over. Thatís not freedom, thatís servitude. Why do you accept it?
Why?  Because many in this country, if not most, don't trust the government's efficiency, politicians make terrible businessmen.  When you strip it down to it's basics, healthcare is a business, which in itself does freak many people out, thinking there should be no profit in healthcare, but tell that to a doctor.
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