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Pono....”Feed sources for news organizations.” And that makes them unbiased? They would be fired?... you’re just joking, right? Please say you’re joking.

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Pono....”Feed sources for news organizations.” And that makes them unbiased? They would be fired?... you’re just joking, right? Please say you’re joking.
No, he didn't say the fact that they are feed sources for news organizations makes them unbiased. He didn't even say they were unbiased.  In fact, he said the opposite:  "Of course, there is intrinsic and extrinsic bias in everything."

His post makes sense, if you read what he actually wrote.

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The reason AP and Reuters pops to the top of the credibility chart is simply that they are feed sources for news organizations--not for consumption by the public: What, When, Where, Why and how. As such they have no discernible bias, and no opportunity to exercise whatever they have.
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If you look closer the top row is meant to be just that; raw feed sources.



Luca--a few days reading comments on Youtube will have you reaching for the reset button on humanity. People aren't just stupid, they're willfully ignorant and mean. There's a certain natural isolation that keeps capable and reasonably intelligent people isolated from the stunning stupidity of most people: You never have any real interaction or a conversation with someone who is really stupid unless they are related to you, and at least half of humanity is as dumb as a bag of hammers. It's the critical piece that democracy forgets about, and the reason why functioning liberal "democracies" are all at least republics. A real democracy would last a year at most.

I recommend you visit Switzerland and spend some time in remote places speaking with simple uneducated and not-so-smart people. A local café is a good place to start but you could also go further than the last village and stop and talk with locals. You’ll be shocked how informed they are on issues. With borders never far away you’ll be surprised how many can speak a foreign language so you can actually talk with many of them. If you give the people the power to vote they actually will go out and get informed. Which actually is the first step to un-dumb them.

Here’s the history and the theory
   https://houseofswitzerland.org/swissstories/history/way-modern-direct-democracy-switzerland
but, as said above, it is the effect it has on how informed Mr&Mrs DumbF#ck are as a result that is pleasantly refreshing.


A “democracy” with representatives that are paid into position by the big and powerful companies and lobbies drifts very quickly from being a true democracy. I heard Chomsky talking about that when I was 18 but now it is becoming even more extreme.
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who are your trusted media and information sources, rider?

also---do you think it's fake news that a queens, ny storefront podiatrist, who leased his space from pres trump's father, was compelled to write up a fake diagnosis of bone spurs for draft-eligible Donald, so he could avoid military service in the viet nam war??

if you think fake, pls link trusted sources that show fakery

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It's ironic that if DT had served in Vietnam, he might have been "labeled" by some on the left as too stupid to avoid the draft.  Or likely worse...

I also find it ironic that you demand "sources" when you've already admitted that you regularly dismiss your own analyst reports.

Please note that the preceding was intended as lighthearted banter...

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It's ironic that if DT had served in Vietnam, he might have been "labeled" by some on the left as too stupid to avoid the draft.  Or likely worse...

or too lazy to go bankrupt 6 times
or too constipated to avoid paying taxes
or too flatulent to lose hundreds of millions of inheritance
or too daft to cheat on his pregnant wife with porn stars

We might have said those things had the opposite not been true...or maybe not.
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i am obviously a prog dem and i would never (NOT MIGHT--I WOULD NEVER) label anyone who is patriotic enough to put life and limb on the line for our country as other than a patriot, who deserves respect for that--so there's a comment on this from the left

if the politicians who arrange war do so for nefarious or dumb reasons, that's on them--not on our boots on the ground soldiers

politicians like john bolton and trump, who avoided being drafted and serving, who now present as hawks, i call BS on--and they're trying to BS us into a war with Iran--perfect

and John Kerry? not too dumb to go to vietnam at all--kerry was a bright (yale) young patriot, who could have done as trump and bolton did, who saw the conflict over the vietnam war on the yale campus and in our society, and enlisted, to see for himself--after doing so and taking personal risk to be in the line of fire, he returned to tell the story that what we were doing there made no sense

bean, what might you say about trump's daddy's bone spurs routine? you cite irony--might there be some irony in the fact that our hawkish tough guy president fraudulently dodged the draft for the vietnam war?  any irony in trump's claim that his sexual activities were his vietnam--as tho his heroism was that he didnt get a disease?--tell that to the guys who got their balls blown off over there....how's their sexual vietnam going?

"you've already admitted that you regularly dismiss your own analyst reports"  who? whose own analyst reports? regularly? when? how bout one time? details?

and bean, whatever the chatter about whoever's "own analyst reports", which are your trusted media and information sources?

here're a few of mine--WSJ, WAPO, NYTIMES, GUARDIAN, NATIONAL REVIEW, LA TIMES, POLITICO, AXIOS--I have high confidence in facts as reported by these entities, despite that their points of view may differ from mine. but when the facts contradict my POV it informs me--i like to be informed.
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https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/02/26/vietnam-donald-trump-forever-war-225210

great fact-based piece on trump and vietnam---unsurprisingly it aint pretty

here's a cool tidbit:

"while a Princeton-educated lieutenant named Robert Swan Mueller III was leading a platoon of Marines in the thick of searing combat, Trump was back in his father’s office in Brooklyn"

i knew mueller had served, but didnt know he'd been a marine---whatever his politics, mueller is a standup guy---bolton? bonespurs? hmmmm

much as we have a pretty poorly educated electorate, it shocks me that people can be so conned

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Given there are a couple hundred million people in the U.S., undoubtedly some might say Trump not avoiding the draft was proof he was stupid, although I don't know of any myself.

But there's some irony in that hypothetical example, given that Trump actually did say of McCain, "He's not a war hero. He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured."  Similar sentiment to the hypothetical one, but actually said by Trump.

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...if the politicians who arrange war do so for nefarious or dumb reasons, that's on them--not on our boots on the ground soldiers

Sadly, that's not how it was interpreted by the left for the Vietnam vet's who came home.  I wasn't even a teenager, but I'll never forget how wrong the demonstrations felt.  Of course, that historty is being revised as we speak.

Here is what you said previously,
“i consume the opinions of many researchers--i rarely trade as recommended”

Clearly, you draw your own conclusions, and that's an admirable trait.  But why then would any one waste their time providing you with additional information or sources?  To what end?  Should posts now be annotated?

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But there's some irony in that hypothetical example, given that Trump actually did say of McCain, "He's not a war hero. He's a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren't captured."  Similar sentiment to the hypothetical one, but actually said by Trump.

Yes, that was inexcusable and an insult not only to McCain but also to the POW's...

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https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/02/26/vietnam-donald-trump-forever-war-225210

great fact-based piece on trump and vietnam---unsurprisingly it aint pretty

here's a cool tidbit:

"while a Princeton-educated lieutenant named Robert Swan Mueller III was leading a platoon of Marines in the thick of searing combat, Trump was back in his father’s office in Brooklyn"

i knew mueller had served, but didnt know he'd been a marine---whatever his politics, mueller is a standup guy---bolton? bonespurs? hmmmm

much as we have a pretty poorly educated electorate, it shocks me that people can be so conned
All the rich seem to endlessly find a way around law.... or at least till someone crawls under there desk.

http://tech.mit.edu/V112/N3/clinton.03w.txt.html

BTW, I would have voted for McCain in a heart beat. One candidate I actually liked.
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https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/02/26/vietnam-donald-trump-forever-war-225210

great fact-based piece on trump and vietnam---unsurprisingly it aint pretty

here's a cool tidbit:

"while a Princeton-educated lieutenant named Robert Swan Mueller III was leading a platoon of Marines in the thick of searing combat, Trump was back in his father’s office in Brooklyn"

i knew mueller had served, but didnt know he'd been a marine---whatever his politics, mueller is a standup guy---bolton? bonespurs? hmmmm

much as we have a pretty poorly educated electorate, it shocks me that people can be so conned
All the rich seem to endlessly find a way around law.... or at least till someone crawls under there desk.

http://tech.mit.edu/V112/N3/clinton.03w.txt.html

Clinton was poor.  He went to school on scholarships and worked.  That is not to say that he did not try to avoid being drafted.

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https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/02/26/vietnam-donald-trump-forever-war-225210

great fact-based piece on trump and vietnam---unsurprisingly it aint pretty

here's a cool tidbit:

"while a Princeton-educated lieutenant named Robert Swan Mueller III was leading a platoon of Marines in the thick of searing combat, Trump was back in his father’s office in Brooklyn"

i knew mueller had served, but didnt know he'd been a marine---whatever his politics, mueller is a standup guy---bolton? bonespurs? hmmmm

much as we have a pretty poorly educated electorate, it shocks me that people can be so conned
All the rich seem to endlessly find a way around law.... or at least till someone crawls under there desk.

http://tech.mit.edu/V112/N3/clinton.03w.txt.html

Clinton was poor.  He went to school on scholarships and worked.  That is not to say that he did not try to avoid being drafted.
The Clinton's net worth is near a quarter billion. Politic's have been lucrative for them. I wonder how much Bernie makes, even if he never gets elected? Is it a business just running?

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https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/02/26/vietnam-donald-trump-forever-war-225210

great fact-based piece on trump and vietnam---unsurprisingly it aint pretty

here's a cool tidbit:

"while a Princeton-educated lieutenant named Robert Swan Mueller III was leading a platoon of Marines in the thick of searing combat, Trump was back in his father’s office in Brooklyn"

i knew mueller had served, but didnt know he'd been a marine---whatever his politics, mueller is a standup guy---bolton? bonespurs? hmmmm

much as we have a pretty poorly educated electorate, it shocks me that people can be so conned
All the rich seem to endlessly find a way around law.... or at least till someone crawls under there desk.

http://tech.mit.edu/V112/N3/clinton.03w.txt.html

Clinton was poor.  He went to school on scholarships and worked.  That is not to say that he did not try to avoid being drafted.
The Clinton's net worth is near a quarter billion. Politic's have been lucrative for them. I wonder how much Bernie makes, even if he never gets elected? Is it a business just running?

The Clinton's are wealthy now, for sure.  That didn't get Bill out of serving, however.  He was vocally and strongly against that war.  He are his words from back then, "https://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/clinton.htm"

Here is Bernie talking about his wealth:

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