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Re: "Wingsurfer" for Foil/SUP
« Reply #135 on: May 30, 2019, 04:15:07 PM »
Boomless one handed foiling here. 

https://youtu.be/pUJrd36rNwo?t=77
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Re: "Wingsurfer" for Foil/SUP
« Reply #136 on: May 30, 2019, 07:40:01 PM »
River, all good man. I can see the advantage of the boom.

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Re: "Wingsurfer" for Foil/SUP
« Reply #137 on: June 16, 2019, 04:37:45 AM »
Some windier action and (River ?) getting down to the water and putting in with the full kit. 


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Re: "Wingsurfer" for Foil/SUP
« Reply #138 on: June 16, 2019, 08:18:00 AM »
Good video on Duotone wing:


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Re: "Wingsurfer" for Foil/SUP
« Reply #139 on: June 16, 2019, 12:27:45 PM »
Dwight - that was 'pre-order' ...looks like late June delivery. 

Jim

Revised: Boom appears to be in stock.
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Re: "Wingsurfer" for Foil/SUP
« Reply #140 on: June 16, 2019, 12:52:29 PM »
I sorta cannot leave this alone...  Is Bean not correct? 

There is no mast set into the hull like a windsurfer, iceboat, skiff, etc. transferring drive to the hull thru the mast step ...there is no harness to leverage against like in kitesurfing  ...therefore you may need the arms of a gorilla if you are not running a foil that has a lot less drag as he mentions ..or you spill a ton of the available power.

Dwight, you're an engineer ...can you transfer useful power with one hand, if you are not already overpowered?  I would like to think this might work in less than Tenerefe conditions.

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Re: "Wingsurfer" for Foil/SUP
« Reply #141 on: June 16, 2019, 05:48:51 PM »
I sorta cannot leave this alone...  Is Bean not correct? 

There is no mast set into the hull like a windsurfer, iceboat, skiff, etc. transferring drive to the hull thru the mast step ...there is no harness to leverage against like in kitesurfing  ...therefore you may need the arms of a gorilla if you are not running a foil that has a lot less drag as he mentions ..or you spill a ton of the available power.

Dwight, you're an engineer ...can you transfer useful power with one hand, if you are not already overpowered?  I would like to think this might work in less than Tenerefe conditions.

Jim

Yes indeed, Bean is NOT correct. I think I kept track of the negatives there.

What you're missing is the amount of force required when you are up and flying. Anyone who has done windfoiling already understands it--you control the boom with your fingertips. And that's a sail, not a wing. With the wing flying the control forces are very light, and with the foil flying the amount of energy required to keep it going is ridiculously low--which is why you can surf unbroken swells and go three times faster than a surfboard.

Wingfoiling requires even less pressure on the booms. In the video of Dan herking around at Dougs beach (I think) it looks like he's using a lot of force, but as soon as he jibes you see what's really going on--fingertip control. One hand on the boom--for a long way--and when he gets his second hand back on the boom he's giving it tentative little fingertip pulls. How often do you see that with a windsurfer? Never comes to mind. Yeah, I'm going with never. No harness required.

It's going to be 99% a foil sport I expect. Even people that buy one to play around on a SUP are going to come to their sense pretty quickly. Of they'll grow Gorilla arms.
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Re: "Wingsurfer" for Foil/SUP
« Reply #142 on: June 17, 2019, 09:20:21 AM »
Copy that, PB...   I can see plenty of 'no resistance' off-water methods of conveyance, but I also see plenty of maxillofacial surgery from the inevitable faceplants.  As an ex-kiter, I find this very attractive, but I'm not about to flop around on a SUP luffing a wing.

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Re: "Wingsurfer" for Foil/SUP
« Reply #143 on: June 17, 2019, 10:25:28 AM »
I'm a pro at face plants, they're actually safer than falling off the side. At least that's what I keep telling myself.

And yeah, the wing adds a lot of moving parts. I was surprised that it's as manageable as it actually is--at least the Duotone is. I didn't have much luck with the Naish.
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Re: "Wingsurfer" for Foil/SUP
« Reply #144 on: June 17, 2019, 10:47:19 PM »
I was thinking that a wing on a regular downwind SUP board might be just the ticket for Gorge downwinders. All you need is enough momentum to get you into a swell, and a wing would be more efficient than paddling. Turning a 16' board would be challenging, but you don't really need to make any hard turns downwinding.

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Re: "Wingsurfer" for Foil/SUP
« Reply #145 on: June 18, 2019, 03:23:23 PM »
People comparison opinions are interesting. This from surfer forum "I got a Signature twin strut wing from the guys on that website spacestick.
Rode the Naish demo in Hawaii and it was so fun. But then rode a twin strut and it has WAY more control.
One hand on top strut and one on bottom."

From SB
"Long vid in german language.
They gave a Duotone and a Slingwing to absolute beginners to test and compare.
Verdicts:
- Duotone easier for beginners, softer, easy to pump, easy to vary grip position
- Slingwing more stable in flight
- Duotone light (2,9 kg) and a little "fragile" materials ("like a kid rig")
- Slingwing heavy (3,8 k) but build with solid materials
- No substitute for light wind windsurf/kite foiling, needs at least 15 knots for easy flying
- shi...y to watch but fun to do

gleiten.tv/index.php/video/action/story/v/3275/s/63/page/436/ "
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Re: "Wingsurfer" for Foil/SUP
« Reply #146 on: June 27, 2019, 12:26:43 PM »


I like what he says

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Re: "Wingsurfer" for Foil/SUP
« Reply #147 on: June 27, 2019, 02:02:18 PM »
That is a great video from Slingshot.  I am on board with what he is saying about roll.  I still haven't made my little roll bar but I will.  Before you are moving this would be a great feature.

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Re: "Wingsurfer" for Foil/SUP
« Reply #148 on: June 27, 2019, 02:23:52 PM »


I like what he says

slingwing sounds like a great wing.

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Re: "Wingsurfer" for Foil/SUP
« Reply #149 on: June 27, 2019, 02:30:07 PM »
The nice videos are coming quick now.  Some great action in here: