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This is a uniquely informed and diverse group to survey on any question, most definitely this one.  At this point, for whom would you cast your ballot?

Trump
19 (46.3%)
Biden
9 (22%)
Sanders
8 (19.5%)
Booker
4 (9.8%)
Klobuchar
1 (2.4%)

Total Members Voted: 41

Voting closed: March 21, 2019, 04:39:47 PM

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Re: 2020 Vision
« Reply #615 on: April 21, 2019, 07:40:26 AM »
Has anyone else noticed that Trump has modeled his persona after Gordon Gecko the antihero from Wall Street.  From his MAGA/Drain the swap political platform (nearly pulled directly from the board of directors greed is good speech), to his understanding that “losers” (anyone not in the top 1% wealth bracket) can be easily manipulated, from his Sun Tzu insights (possibly just Wall Street Cliffsnotes), his nihilistic view of democracy, ethics and evolution, his use of overly ambitious subordinates to carry out illegal actions on his behalf, and his enormous ego and vanity displays.  A fairly good representation for a reality tv star. 

It will be interesting to see if the final act mimics the screenplay.   Do the decent working-class voters and his disillusioned subordinates see him for the whore (peron who F*&^!s others for personal financial gains) that he is and turn on him before their way of life is destroyed.  Will his ever-increasing greed and lust for power eventually bring him financial ruin, public shame, and incarceration? 

2020 could be a grand crescendo.

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« Reply #616 on: April 21, 2019, 10:22:52 AM »
Has anyone else noticed that Trump has modeled his persona after Gordon Gecko the antihero from Wall Street.  From his MAGA/Drain the swap political platform (nearly pulled directly from the board of directors greed is good speech), to his understanding that “losers” (anyone not in the top 1% wealth bracket) can be easily manipulated, from his Sun Tzu insights (possibly just Wall Street Cliffsnotes), his nihilistic view of democracy, ethics and evolution, his use of overly ambitious subordinates to carry out illegal actions on his behalf, and his enormous ego and vanity displays.  A fairly good representation for a reality tv star. 

It will be interesting to see if the final act mimics the screenplay.   Do the decent working-class voters and his disillusioned subordinates see him for the whore (peron who F*&^!s others for personal financial gains) that he is and turn on him before their way of life is destroyed.  Will his ever-increasing greed and lust for power eventually bring him financial ruin, public shame, and incarceration? 

2020 could be a grand crescendo.
I hadn't thought of that one. There certainly are parallels.  Lots of people have brought up the comparison with Biff from Back to the Future, and in fact the writers actually based Biff on Trump. 


Gordon Gekko and Trump even get their haircuts at the same place:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKZp-V1Uwtk

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« Reply #617 on: April 21, 2019, 05:26:55 PM »
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« Reply #618 on: April 21, 2019, 07:37:47 PM »
Sheesh, you guys care a lot about labels, don’t you? Why not just judge each policy on its own merits?

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« Reply #619 on: April 21, 2019, 07:39:12 PM »
If the military were a direct part of economic production, there might be an argument to be made.  However, in the US the military is simply a consumer. 

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« Reply #620 on: April 21, 2019, 07:43:28 PM »
Sheesh, you guys care a lot about labels, don’t you? Why not just judge each policy on its own merits?
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« Reply #621 on: April 22, 2019, 02:42:06 AM »
well, apparently there is an argument to be made by many--google us military/socialist institution and youll find many consider it as i do

blackwater? no, not socialist==i get that, but our military aint blackwater, thk god!


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« Reply #622 on: April 22, 2019, 03:52:27 AM »
From the Wikipedia entry for “Dog-whistle politics”:

“U.S. law professor and author of the 2014 book Dog Whistle Politics Ian Haney-López described Reagan as "blowing a dog whistle" when the candidate told stories about "Cadillac-driving 'welfare queens' and 'strapping young bucks' buying T-bone steaks with food stamps" while he was campaigning for the presidency. He argues that such rhetoric pushes middle-class white Americans to vote against their economic self-interest in order to punish "undeserving minorities" who, they believe, are receiving too much public assistance at their expense. According to López, conservative middle-class whites, convinced by powerful economic interests that minorities are the enemy, supported politicians who promised to curb illegal immigration and crack down on crime but inadvertently also voted for policies that favor the extremely rich, such as slashing taxes for top income brackets, giving corporations more regulatory control over industry and financial markets, union busting, cutting pensions for future public employees, reducing funding for public schools, and retrenching the social welfare state. He argues that these same voters cannot link rising inequality which has impacted their lives to the policy agendas they support, which resulted in a massive transfer of wealth to the top 1% of the population since the 1980s”.

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« Reply #623 on: April 22, 2019, 04:44:58 AM »
Sheesh, you guys care a lot about labels, don’t you? Why not just judge each policy on its own merits?

From a perspective admittedly (proudly, actually) on the left, it's because the labels are often just about the only weapon the right has in trying to win some debates. If you use facts and math (and actually plug in all the variables), universal health care makes sense. There are a lot of sheep (on both sides) that will back or oppose something based purely on how it is labelled.

Take a look at this:
https://www.npr.org/2017/02/11/514732211/obamacare-and-affordable-care-act-are-the-same-but-americans-still-dont-know-tha

Trump always calls it Obamacare. I think it is largely because Trump hates Obama and wants to dismantle everything he did, but I also don't doubt that Trump's handlers (who he pays attention to on rare occasions) have told him that Obamacare is much less popular with his base than the ACA even though they are the same thing.
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« Reply #624 on: April 22, 2019, 05:26:32 AM »
well, apparently there is an argument to be made by many--google us military/socialist institution and youll find many consider it as i do

blackwater? no, not socialist==i get that, but our military aint blackwater, thk god!

"The military is clearly a socialist institution. Taxes are collected from the population at large and used to pay for the entire defense complex. The soldiers don't own the tanks and planes they use, the tax payers do. Hence they are a social good. Under a capitalist system we would be hiring mercenaries instead of soldiers."
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« Reply #625 on: April 22, 2019, 07:42:16 AM »
R-T-G...  I'd bet that Trump is ambivalent about Obama.  My sense, like him previously voting Democrat and supporting Planned Parenthood, he has taken the measure of a strain society that he can capture because of their obsessive prejudice ...not dissimilar to evangelicals for whom he plays a hedonist's harp with the promise of more court appointments like Kavanaugh.  One mistake, quickly adjusted; he had to bribe farmers to stay quiet, with more of your money, after playing tariff-chicken with China. 

You have to admire his 'sense of the room'.  All he needs for 2020 is a little spillover from the general population.  Look at the results of the poll here; silent support is probably broader than you'd think. Look at the curious vote tally of white women in 2016  ...Bernie fans tipped the scales also.

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« Reply #626 on: April 22, 2019, 08:22:20 AM »
R-T-G...  I'd bet that Trump is ambivalent about Obama.  My sense, like him previously voting Democrat and supporting Planned Parenthood, he has taken the measure of a strain society that he can capture because of their obsessive prejudice ...not dissimilar to evangelicals for whom he plays a hedonist's harp with the promise of more court appointments like Kavanaugh.  One mistake, quickly adjusted; he had to bribe farmers to stay quiet, with more of your money, after playing tariff-chicken with China. 

You have to admire his 'sense of the room'.  All he needs for 2020 is a little spillover from the general population.  Look at the results of the poll here; silent support is probably broader than you'd think. Look at the curious vote tally of white women in 2016  ...Bernie fans tipped the scales also.

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I suspect you would lose that bet.  He is a birther and I have concluded based on past and current behavior/statements that he is racist.

I was pro Bernie in 2016 but voted anti Trump. I know of others who did not vote because they didn't like either choice. Then there are the "brick through the window" people who wanted anything but business as usual. Some of them were pro Bernie and voted for Trump because he became the only "not business as usual" candidate. If you are politically astute, that seems crazy; they are near polar opposites. Some people don't want to know platforms and politics; they were just tired of the mess the government had turned into.
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« Reply #627 on: April 22, 2019, 11:03:25 AM »
Sheesh, you guys care a lot about labels, don’t you? Why not just judge each policy on its own merits?
I've been wanting to respond to this, but I'm still trying to figure out how to categorize these questions first.

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« Reply #628 on: April 22, 2019, 11:08:00 AM »
Sheesh, you guys care a lot about labels, don’t you? Why not just judge each policy on its own merits?
I've been wanting to respond to this, but I'm still trying to figure out how to categorize these questions first.
Categorize? You mean label?  ;D  8)
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« Reply #629 on: April 22, 2019, 11:19:10 AM »
Sheesh, you guys care a lot about labels, don’t you? Why not just judge each policy on its own merits?
I've been wanting to respond to this, but I'm still trying to figure out how to categorize these questions first.
Categorize? You mean label?  ;D 8)
Yes, I'd put both of those in the same box as far as meaning goes.


 


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