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This is a uniquely informed and diverse group to survey on any question, most definitely this one.  At this point, for whom would you cast your ballot?

Trump
19 (46.3%)
Biden
9 (22%)
Sanders
8 (19.5%)
Booker
4 (9.8%)
Klobuchar
1 (2.4%)

Total Members Voted: 41

Voting closed: March 21, 2019, 04:39:47 PM

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spirit4earth

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Re: 2020 Vision
« Reply #510 on: April 09, 2019, 12:44:41 PM »
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-canada-death-medical-costs-family-father-quebec-vacation-florida-20190409-a4gzyas42vceppqudl33fgtt3y-story.html

It’s wrong that this family needed to go through this. 
What medical costs would they have incurred post-mortem?  Assuming there would be no autopsy, wouldn’t they have had to pay just for transport back to Quebec?  That wouldn’t be cheap, I imagine.
Probably transport to the hospital for an autopsy and/or certification of death. I wouldn't jump to the assumption of no autopsy. There are legitimate reasons for wanting to examine someone who died here after recently having been abroad, though a vacationing Canadian is highly unlikely to have some dread disease.
I can understand the decision.  It's logical.  You can't look up what the costs would be.  How would you ask?--"How much would it cost to deal with a person who dies while vacationing here?  Asking for a friend".  And the answer might be off by 10x or 100x.  And once you ask, you lose the option of taking the body back to Canada yourself.

That’s funny!  “Asking for a friend”.  Yeah, right!  😄😄

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« Reply #511 on: April 09, 2019, 01:18:27 PM »
Dying outside your home country, no matter where that is, is problematic.  But it's not so much a healthcare issue as it is a transportation issue.



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« Reply #512 on: April 09, 2019, 02:36:18 PM »
I’m sensing a business opportunity here. Charge a fee to transport bodies. Could call it “Bodies Over Borders”. Would truly be an “underground” business.

Think of the marketing.

Avoid the cost,
That comes with loss.
We’ll do it for less
For those you love best.
Don’t trust Uncle Sam,
With your John, Jill, or Pam.
Call Bodies Over Borders,
We’ll take all your orders!  ;D
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Re: 2020 Vision
« Reply #513 on: April 09, 2019, 03:14:42 PM »
Wow, talk about yer dying industry

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« Reply #514 on: April 09, 2019, 03:27:44 PM »
Dying outside your home country, no matter where that is, is problematic.  But it's not so much a healthcare issue as it is a transportation issue.
I agree totally.  It also could be entirely likely the Canadian family wouldn't have faced any unreasonable costs for transporting the body.  I just don't blame them for making the decision they did, especially given their state of mind at the time.


I know airlines will transport dead bodies for a stiff fee.

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« Reply #515 on: April 09, 2019, 03:35:27 PM »
Quickbeam, you’ve revealed your poetic side!  Good job!

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« Reply #516 on: April 09, 2019, 04:19:22 PM »
If you die outside your home country the cost to transport back has to be less than the value of your airline ticket home, or its 'Weekend at Bernie's 3 - Aisle Seat'. If in a car it is a simple 'National Lampoon's Vacation' situation, Aunt Edna on the roof of the Truckster.
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« Reply #517 on: April 09, 2019, 04:38:23 PM »
Quickbeam, you’ve revealed your poetic side!  Good job!

Thanks Spirit. Hope no one was offended.

I used to write a fair bit, but it has been a long time. Pretty rusty now.
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« Reply #518 on: April 09, 2019, 05:21:24 PM »
If you die outside your home country the cost to transport back has to be less than the value of your airline ticket home, or its 'Weekend at Bernie's 3 - Aisle Seat'. If in a car it is a simple 'National Lampoon's Vacation' situation, Aunt Edna on the roof of the Truckster.
I just realized the first body on an airplane is free if accompanied by a living passenger, who'd be allowed one carrion.

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« Reply #519 on: April 09, 2019, 05:25:49 PM »
If you die outside your home country the cost to transport back has to be less than the value of your airline ticket home, or its 'Weekend at Bernie's 3 - Aisle Seat'. If in a car it is a simple 'National Lampoon's Vacation' situation, Aunt Edna on the roof of the Truckster.
I just realized the first body on an airplane is free if accompanied by a living passenger, who'd be allowed one carrion.

Excellent PDX!!! Loved it.  :)
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« Reply #520 on: April 09, 2019, 05:57:27 PM »
If you die outside your home country the cost to transport back has to be less than the value of your airline ticket home, or its 'Weekend at Bernie's 3 - Aisle Seat'. If in a car it is a simple 'National Lampoon's Vacation' situation, Aunt Edna on the roof of the Truckster.
I just realized the first body on an airplane is free if accompanied by a living passenger, who'd be allowed one carrion.
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Re: 2020 Vision
« Reply #521 on: April 11, 2019, 07:26:39 AM »
i call plane-boarding the carrion scramble--nobody wants to check their carrion!

i wonder why not--isnt it pretty cold in the baggage compartments?
why not arrive fresh?
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« Reply #522 on: April 11, 2019, 07:51:29 AM »
Another approach might be vaccum bagging.  Has anyone successfully vaccum bagged their carrion to fit into an approved carry on?  Beasho, Magenta...anyone?

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« Reply #523 on: April 11, 2019, 10:29:53 PM »
Here’s a “national emergency” that Trump should actually do something about:

“Data comparing one US and one Dutch hospital found that 77% of patients undergoing hip fracture repair in the US hospital received opioids, whereas none did in the Netherlands hospital, and 82% of US patients received opioids after ankle fracture repair compared with 6% of Dutch patients.

Despite these differences, patients in each of these countries show similar levels of satisfaction with pain management”.

https://news.sky.com/story/opioid-crisis-driven-by-inappropriate-prescription-of-painkillers-to-surgery-patients-11691210

Is this an example of the danger of a market-driven (rather than needs-driven) healthcare system?

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« Reply #524 on: April 12, 2019, 04:52:42 AM »
Yes, that’s been a “huge” issue.  And yes, it was caused at least in part by capitalist greed.  But recently, there have been successful, landmark lawsuits against the major opioid producers, and prescribers, (something that should have happened years ago.)  So there is plenty of blame to go around...