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https://southoc.surfrider.org/2017/08/18/seawalls-kill-beaches/

I noticed all through Europe they have built large concrete seawalls that protect the citizens, community, and property from rising tides while maintaining access to beaches and surf spots. In my opinion they are beautiful places partly because of the walls. Without them properties are lost, access is reduced, and some surf communities will be only in the history books.
There is big money in environmental lawsuits, but unfortunately no money in protecting surfing. 

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Re: Does the Surfrider Foundation have anything to do with surf riding?
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2019, 12:27:58 AM »
Donít most sources say that over the long term they mess up more than they save? Check Floridaís results, seems to be no love for them there, along with pumping sand too.

But Iíd love to read some more info on this. Iíve only read stuff against them.

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Re: Does the Surfrider Foundation have anything to do with surf riding?
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2019, 01:52:47 AM »
Thereís going to have to be a much wider consideration of the degree to which we are going to try to fight natureís response to our folly.

https://nca2018.globalchange.gov/chapter/8/

But that would require a very wide and open debate about some issues that certain folk do not want to discuss. Itís a tough time to own a beachfront property, or live in a low-lying coastal community. Start buying your retirement property on a hill somewhere :)



For the record, scientists in universities and government-funded institutions, who overwhelmingly receive no financial or other incentives for pursuing a particular line on a topic like climate change, are probably the most honest and straightforward group of people you will encounter in a society. For the vast majority, if they are telling you X it is because they truly believe X, and they are in a better position to know about it than you are. In fact it is much more likely that the lone scientist who is legitimising an opinion counter to the prevailing opinion, is the one on the take.

Iím fed up with this bashing of scientists by politicians. We are generally too polite and dispassionate to respond to such nonsense. But let me tell you that if you had a contest between politicians and scientists to see who is the most honest, it would be like a mouse getting into a boxing ring with a herd of rampaging wildebeest.
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Re: Does the Surfrider Foundation have anything to do with surf riding?
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2019, 03:01:56 AM »
gotta be careful with this one.

not so sure we shd continue with taxpayers subsidizing the fortification and insurance of wealthy peoples' expensive waterfront real estate.

now that it's becoming quite clear the vast majority of scientist have been honest, and correct about what has been continually happening to our planet---and that the dishonesty has come from politicians and the fossil fuel industry---now that the horse is out of the barn and it's clear weve got a effing serious problem.

and we still have to hear our elected village idiot talking about how cold and snowy it is

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Re: Does the Surfrider Foundation have anything to do with surf riding?
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2019, 04:05:15 AM »
Seawalls aren't allowed here in NC. A lot or property owners want them, but it sounds like a very bad idea. Here is a really odd twist - seawalls could actually cause a barrier island to sink.

http://endeavors.unc.edu/the_future_of_the_outer_banks

Barrier islands are kind of a big deal here as we have little to no mainland beach. Most beaches have a sound behind them, some have salt marsh. I am not sure you can get to an open ocean beach in NC staying on natural solid ground if you don't count obscure zig zag paths through marsh.
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Re: Does the Surfrider Foundation have anything to do with surf riding?
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2019, 05:26:27 AM »
I could see using tax money to create better surf spots, but not for protecting peoples properties.
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Re: Does the Surfrider Foundation have anything to do with surf riding?
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2019, 05:46:56 AM »
I am not sure how I feel about this:

https://outerbanksvoice.com/2018/12/31/ever-encroaching-sand-to-be-moved-again-at-jockeys-ridge/

It's not like a seawall where they are introducing some new structure. The wind moves the sand back and forth like that naturally and they are trying to keep the movement confined to a smaller area. If you are head scratching about why they would go to so much trouble for shifting dunes, you have to understand these are really big dunes. They hang glide off of them. That's actually supposed to be one of the better places to learn as you stay just barely aloft following the slope of the hill so you are only a few feet over a soft landing all the way down. EDIT - unless an updraft comes a long, turns you into a speck in the sky and you start to wonder if maybe you signed that waiver a little too quickly...

It does seem like man has trouble accepting that not everything bends to our will. The above project would be interesting to see from miles up in time lapse; it would look a lot like ants rebuilding their hill.
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Re: Does the Surfrider Foundation have anything to do with surf riding?
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2019, 08:13:52 AM »
The "I wish you could go to Greenland" comment in the 60 minutes segment is interesting.

No question, as the planet is now in a warming up period, the ice is receding at an alarming rate.  But this is not really anything new, and in fact, is something that the planet has seen before.

We know that Vikings settled in Greenland during a warm period around 1000. In this warm period which lasted a few hundred years, they were able to farm, raise livestock and thrive.  But, the era known as the Little Ice Age (1300 - 1870 not so long ago) set in and the settlements perished because they did not adapt.   

Climate change is not a new thing, and it can swing both ways.  The question we should be asking ourselves is how should we adapt?   

Doing everything we can to clean up the environment is a no-brainer, as is developing clean renewable energy... 

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Re: Does the Surfrider Foundation have anything to do with surf riding?
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2019, 08:32:55 AM »
Beam, studies are showing that the little ice age is also a result of the removal of carbon in the atmosphere. It goes something like this:

1) Native Americans had cleared vast amounts of the American landscape for the cultivation of animals and food plants.
2) Initial contacts with Europeans (this is the era of Columbus) spread infectious diseases that wiped out something around 80Ė90% of native Americans.
3) The vast cleared lands regrew forests because they were not being regularly cleared, which pulled large amounts of carbon from the atmosphere.
4) The world temperature went down because of a reduction of the greenhouse effect.

BTW, this is why when the early explorers came to America why they found it mostly empty. North America wasn't crowded by European standards, but there were cities and such.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/01/world/european-colonization-climate-change-trnd/index.html
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Re: Does the Surfrider Foundation have anything to do with surf riding?
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2019, 08:53:56 AM »
The "I wish you could go to Greenland" comment in the 60 minutes segment is interesting.

No question, as the planet is now in a warming up period, the ice is receding at an alarming rate.  But this is not really anything new, and in fact, is something that the planet has seen before.

We know that Vikings settled in Greenland during a warm period around 1000. In this warm period which lasted a few hundred years, they were able to farm, raise livestock and thrive.  But, the era known as the Little Ice Age (1300 - 1870 not so long ago) set in and the settlements perished because they did not adapt.   

Climate change is not a new thing, and it can swing both ways.  The question we should be asking ourselves is how should we adapt?   

Doing everything we can to clean up the environment is a no-brainer, as is developing clean renewable energy...

It is true that we have had the climate change in the past, but it is not true that the current rate of change or level of C02 is "something that the planet has seen before", at least not in the time we have data about (a half million years or so).

The change we are seeing now in the C02 level is a new thing:



The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia.

Source: https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
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Re: Does the Surfrider Foundation have anything to do with surf riding?
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2019, 09:04:19 AM »
Cliff collapse next to train tracks.

https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/bluff-collapse-halts-train-travel-through-del-mar

Sea side bluffs affect more than just some rich dudes that don't deserve to live on the cast.

Pretty dramatic video.
Cliff collapse next to train tracks.

https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/bluff-collapse-halts-train-travel-through-del-mar

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Re: Does the Surfrider Foundation have anything to do with surf riding?
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2019, 09:05:03 AM »
Ichabod, that's an interesting theory, but it does not reconcile with the simple fact that the start of the Little Ice Age pre-dates Columbus?

Volcanic eruptions and periods of decreasing levles of solar radiation are other theories.  In any event, it could be a combination of many contributing factors.

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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2019, 09:07:26 AM »
Good stuff RTG!

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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2019, 09:12:33 AM »
Sea side bluffs affect more than just some rich dudes that don't deserve to live on the cast.

I kind of agree with you, but who are we to say who deserves to live at the beach.  ;D

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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2019, 09:17:23 AM »
Have to repost this