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Is regular SUP surfing dying and foiling taking its place?
« on: November 23, 2018, 03:43:53 AM »
Where do you see the sport going?  Foiling looks like so much fun, is it gong to replace regular SUP?  Reading the Zone, it looks that way. 
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Re: Is regular SUP surfing dying and foiling taking its place?
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2018, 04:28:14 AM »
i don't think so. SUP foiling is very limited in my area because we just don't get those types of rolling waves (e.g., Hawaii) that would make it interesting. as a kite foiler, i still prefer to use my regular surfboard if conditions are actually good. the foil is a tool to get out there when conditions suck. i think the same applies to surfing...if conditions are good enough to just surf without a foil, that's what we'll do. a few have tried SUP foiling around here, and stopped pretty quickly.  a few still do it.  personally, i don't want to be in whitewash with a big ginsu knife under my board. my legs have enough scars from kite foiling as is.

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Re: Is regular SUP surfing dying and foiling taking its place?
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2018, 04:32:30 AM »
I think it depends on a few factors such as where you surf, the depth of the water and the color of water. I'll explain with some examples.

Here on the upper Texas coast where I sup surf, Galveston Island and the Bolivar Peninsula, the water is very shallow. In some places you can wade out over 100 yards from the beach and still be in waist deep water. The waves aren't really waves either. Since the bottom contour is so flat, there aren't any waves to speak of. Maybe 1' waves in height if the wind is blowing around 10 mph. The color of the water is sandy brown to chocolate color.

Since a person can't see the bottom to determine how deep the water is; if a person "could" foil, if the foil hits the bottom, the person is going to go "head first over the board" when the board suddenly and violently stops and the tail end of the board, since the board is connected to the foiler by a leash, means the tail end of the board has a very good chance of landing on the foiler.

So the chances of foiling where I sup surf is almost non existent. Watching the streaming webcams where I sup surf, I've seen exactly "one" foiler in all of 2018 up to this point in time.

I will say this, the only place I think foiling is feasible on the upper Texas coast is at Surfside, Texas where the water is deeper and the waves are bigger when the inshore wind is around 20 mph or higher. But the problem remains with the water color because if one foils into shallow water, because they can't see how shallow the water is, they're just asking for trouble which will put themselves in harm's way.

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Re: Is regular SUP surfing dying and foiling taking its place?
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2018, 04:34:54 AM »
i don't think so. SUP foiling is very limited in my area because we just don't get those types of rolling waves (e.g., Hawaii) that would make it interesting. as a kite foiler, i still prefer to use my regular surfboard if conditions are actually good. the foil is a tool to get out there when conditions suck. i think the same applies to surfing...if conditions are good enough to just surf without a foil, that's what we'll do. a few have tried SUP foiling around here, and stopped pretty quickly.  a few still do it.  personally, i don't want to be in whitewash with a big ginsu knife under my board. my legs have enough scars from kite foiling as is.

Agreed with all of this - it's a great tool, but it's just like everything else, conditions and skill-dependent, much more so than normal SUP surfing. You can essentially SUP surf just about any conditions, whereas SUP foiling has a pretty limited range of conditions that work well IMO. Also, the skill/cost level right now is still prohibitive to gain market share over SUP surf.
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Re: Is regular SUP surfing dying and foiling taking its place?
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2018, 05:06:34 AM »
Nightwing....some encouragement from South Padre


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Re: Is regular SUP surfing dying and foiling taking its place?
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2018, 05:32:58 AM »
People are starting to windfoil where I am, but I don't think SUPfoiling will make it on the Hudson. No waves, but lots of wind.
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Re: Is regular SUP surfing dying and foiling taking its place?
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2018, 06:49:02 AM »
SUP/Foil ...may somewhat resemble Poleboarding/Kiteboarding:  Windsurfing seemed massive in its early years - the masses, whether farm pond or Ocean could do it - easily.  "Everybody is having fun!"  Either it was not quite so easy or back-n-forth got boring after X rounds, but suddenly it seemed only Euros or performance titans like Robbie did it.  Kites kicked in ...in, what appeared to be smaller, public-participation numbers.  ...almost cutting out women generally.

SUP -  "Everybody is having fun!"  ...'till it became work or they need a new thrill.  Interestingly, women paddled away from the 'Show me your ___s.' guys and did their own thing - like Yoga.  In my (surf) area, women appear to participate in slightly higher percentages than kited, but that is also true for surf generally compared to the 80's. The one hardcore kiting lady I know (who also taught Pole) does not foil. 

There does seem to be more energy in the Foil SUP column here. There's a few like Rick (Creek) who seem willing to put a little effort to keep the general columns afloat, but it seems many have, perhaps not lost their stoke, but the eagerness to share it.  Remember when even the paddle designers had a shoulder into it?  Those were exciting times, here and Youtube.

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Re: Is regular SUP surfing dying and foiling taking its place?
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2018, 08:08:28 AM »
SUP is God's gift to older men and I assume women. I don't think SUP is going anywhere.
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Re: Is regular SUP surfing dying and foiling taking its place?
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2018, 09:23:18 AM »
Nightwing....some encouragement from South Padre

The Texas coastline is divided up into the Upper Coast, Middle Coast and Lower Coast. Where I sup surf, this is the Upper Coast. South Padre is considered the Lower Coast. The water color is clearer so you can see the bottom to determine how deep the water depth is. At South Padre one can foil, but generally speaking, not on the Upper Coast of Texas.

In the short video you posted, the guy is foiling, but he has to "pump his legs" to keep foiling. At my present age of 68, if I had to pump my legs for three of those rides, my energy would be "spent". I'd be done for the day totally worn out.

For "old codgers" like myself, we are mostly interested in (I'm assuming we are) the leisurely type of sup surfing. Shredding waves and/or pumping our legs, just saps our energy. Nose riding for us old codgers is about as adventurous as we get.

Since you posted a short video of a foiler, I'll post a nice short leisurely sup surfing video where I'm sure we will all recognize "supthecreek" (Rick) in his video below on his 10' Sunova longboard and which I ran across on YouTube. I also think he hasn't yet posted this video here on the Zone. I hope Rick forgives me for "stealing his thunder" so to speak, if he hasn't posted it here on the Zone.

BTW, the only thing I do different than Rick does in his video, I don't do his "dismounts" at the end of his rides in this video.  ;)

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Re: Is regular SUP surfing dying and foiling taking its place?
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2018, 10:28:33 AM »
I may try foiling some day but I'll never stop SUPping until I have too. Not dying...not even close...just not the new thing anymore.
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Re: Is regular SUP surfing dying and foiling taking its place?
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2018, 11:07:31 AM »
My desire to go down the foil path is partly driven by FOMO which I suspect is what drives the hype. But my foil budget just went to the Sunova Insane 8'5 below so guess am not that FOMO. Will post about it in another thread...


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Re: Is regular SUP surfing dying and foiling taking its place?
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2018, 11:47:33 AM »
Honestly, on any day where it is marginal, I foil. On nice days I Sup Surf. For some of the guys I know who do it all, I think Sup surfing was the fall back for marginal days and they would short board on the perfect days. For them, foiling is claiming their sup days.

As far as online presence goes, when it comes to SUP surfing, my quiver is pretty locked in, so the drive for new info has faded. There is a lot I have to figure out about foiling, and most people are doing the same, so that is where my attention is.

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Re: Is regular SUP surfing dying and foiling taking its place?
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2018, 12:48:06 PM »
I agree with exiled.... most SUP stuff has been discussed for years, where Foil is the new kid, and everyone is in the learning stage.

I owned a bar for 30 years.... every time a new bar opened in town, everyone would flock check out the fresh new spot.
They always came back when the shine left the newbie :)

Only a handful of foilers will ever get past the smooth "glide" stage IMO.... high degree of difficulty and risk.
Apologies to adopters, but I am already bored with foil videos, even the good guys.....but I never get bored with SUP vids.
I also have no desire to glide 500 yards, then paddle back out on a 7' board   ;D

I think I would enjoy the feeling of "flying".... but personally, surfing where my feet are connected to the water by a board, will never get old to me. I have loved surfing for 54 years and that flame has never dimmed.

I'd like to know what percentage of Zone Guests are here for Foiling vs SUP..... that would be a good indication of where new interest fall.

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Re: Is regular SUP surfing dying and foiling taking its place?
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2018, 03:38:18 PM »
I love foiling but I doubt it will really be a lot bigger than it is right now. Geezers, pros and rich kids are the only ones that can afford it. And then the first five times you try it you wish you were wrapped in bubble wrap with a full coverage helmet. Everything you know about surfing is wrong, and it's a bitch just to get up never mind head off in a straight line, don't even think about turning.

Watching the good guys do it is interesting for about ten minutes. It honestly looks pretty lame. Swooping back and forth. Yay!

I don't see it being a big threat. There's a temporary dip, because a lot of the better SUP surfers bailed to try it, and a lot of them won't be coming back, but wholesale replacement? I doubt it.
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Re: Is regular SUP surfing dying and foiling taking its place?
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2018, 05:36:49 PM »
I think there is still some more room for the market to grow as the price point for entry level foils trends down. I expect entry level foils around $500 to be common soon and that will bring more people in, but the degree of difficultly will keep the market small unless we see someone bring a really easy to use foil to market.