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Re: Fear: Trump in the White House
« Reply #120 on: October 07, 2018, 08:22:18 PM »
Thanks for the constructive post Rider. Have you read this book? I'd expect not. You really couldn't manage to parse what Chan was writing? If so, I'd say I don't think the problem is Chan.

Tom, I agree, the rule should have stayed 60 in the Senate. Of course, it WAS the Democrats that started that nonsense, changing the rule so they could ram through lower court and other appointments. The Republicans extended it to the Supremes. The process has become a continuing farce. Both parties suck toads. Republican friends of mine were braying about "due process" in the Kavanaugh hearing as if they understood the term, and conveniently forgot that their heroes delayed the appointment of an SC judge for 400 days. By the same token, the Democrats would have NEVER confirmed Gorsuch, or anyone else.

Instead of government we have turnabout shafting and the harm that being done to the country is immeasurable.
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Re: Fear: Trump in the White House
« Reply #121 on: October 07, 2018, 09:19:38 PM »
Rider couldn't possibly have demonstrated Chan's point any better if he tried. I'll "give him the benefit of the doubt" that he is as confused as he says- that it was quite literally dumb luck.  :o

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Re: Fear: Trump in the White House
« Reply #122 on: October 08, 2018, 03:44:24 AM »
Kavanaugh confirmed. Wow. I’m very depressed about the poor quality of the political talent in the UK right now. But the only upside is that we aren’t as bad as you. Most of our politicians have good intentions, even if they are regularly incompetent or mistaken. But you are - knowingly, it seems - electing some really unpleasant people.

As you know, this was not a public election.  It was a 50 to 48 senate vote with no party divergence.  It would have been nice to think that the specifics were actually considered (or even could have been) but that is not the case.  Trump wanted Kavenaugh specifically to protect him against Mueller and the senate Republicans know that a new candidate would mean a potential lockout for two years should the Dems take control in November.  This was never going to happen.

This was manifest and it happened when Trump was elected.  The only variable was the vacancies.

The Dems will likely take back the house in November.  The Senate is possible but much less likely.  That is based on the specific seats that are up for voting in 2018.  That will determine what happens with the Court over the next 2 years should another vacancy (very possible) occur.


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« Reply #123 on: October 08, 2018, 04:56:55 AM »
Kavanaugh confirmed. Wow. I’m very depressed about the poor quality of the political talent in the UK right now. But the only upside is that we aren’t as bad as you. Most of our politicians have good intentions, even if they are regularly incompetent or mistaken. But you are - knowingly, it seems - electing some really unpleasant people.

As you know, this was not a public election.  It was a 50 to 48 senate vote with no party divergence.  It would have been nice to think that the specifics were actually considered (or even could have been) but that is not the case.  Trump wanted Kavenaugh specifically to protect him against Mueller and the senate Republicans know that a new candidate would mean a potential lockout for two years should the Dems take control in November.  This was never going to happen.

This was manifest and it happened when Trump was elected.  The only variable was the vacancies.

The Dems will likely take back the house in November.  The Senate is possible but much less likely.  That is based on the specific seats that are up for voting in 2018.  That will determine what happens with the Court over the next 2 years should another vacancy (very possible) occur.
As I said, you are electing some really unpleasant people. The Senate is composed of US citizens, who voted. They are US citizens just like you, and they had a choice, just like you do.

In the UK, it is common for right-leaning (especially those who follow the demagogue strategy) to do better in the actual election than they were predicted to do in the polls. This is thought to reflect the voting behaviour of those polled (often discussed to be predominantly women - although I don’t know if this is true) who are thought more likely to say they are undecided in order to avoid expressing their true intent. So it will be interesting to see if the Republicans actually do better than expected because of a similar Trump effect.

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Re: Fear: Trump in the White House
« Reply #124 on: October 08, 2018, 06:25:32 AM »
Hypocrisy is at the core of the problem. I keep saying it...far right, far left, baseball bats, deserted island....pay-per-view. Pay off the deficit with the proceeds.
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Re: Fear: Trump in the White House
« Reply #125 on: October 08, 2018, 09:30:45 AM »
Kavanaugh confirmed. Wow. I’m very depressed about the poor quality of the political talent in the UK right now. But the only upside is that we aren’t as bad as you. Most of our politicians have good intentions, even if they are regularly incompetent or mistaken. But you are - knowingly, it seems - electing some really unpleasant people.
A couple of things~
1) You must be really glad that you don't live in this country.
2) I'm really glad that you don't live in this country, we already have enough people here who don't like this country, which is pretty sad considering how many people from foreign countries who are willing to risk almost anything to live here. Far too many people have to lose what they have, before they can appreciate what they had. Hopefully for all those doubters, it won't ever get that far, I'm pretty sure it won't, for all it's warts, our system works pretty good.
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Re: Fear: Trump in the White House
« Reply #126 on: October 08, 2018, 11:33:09 AM »
Great thread. Very entertaining.

I am astonished at the stupidity of the D's with this Kavanaugh thing. From 'Spartacus' to Ford and Avenatti's gang rape stuff. Why risk November mid-terms with this circus? Why?

Kavanaugh has been pretty centrist, replacing Kennedy who is also pretty centrist. There are 2 issues that the D's could have expounded on 1) Kav will protect Trump and 2) Kav will help abolish RvW. If Trump had put in Amy Coney Barrett those would have been the D's two major complaints in that ACB is much more socially conservative than Kav. With Kav, RVW is not at nearly the same risk. Pushing those issues, would have not charged the R base like the shitshow that the D's put forth.

So DiFi runs up the Ford thing last minute and then Avenatti and crew get on board and jeopardize a bunch of toss up states, by energizing the R side. What an idiotic miscalculation.

I'm glad that Ford got a couple million in her GoFundMe, account. Talk about being used. There is not a single D or R Senator that gives a shit about her and now half of the country hates her for having the guts to do what she did. It is awful what DiFi did to her.

My biggest complaint is that especially now that the 60 vote rule has been abolished, the SC is allowed to be politicized. I mean this started well before that with Notorious RBG's prattling on, but she still ruled pretty consistently with the constitution. Yet again I would call it general stupidity or slothfulness on the part of our House and Senators, who would rather defer to the SC than do their jobs when the time comes to write laws. After the shitshow over Kavanaugh, no one with a brain will want to try to enter the SC. The stress is not worth it

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Re: Fear: Trump in the White House
« Reply #127 on: October 08, 2018, 11:38:19 AM »
Kavanaugh confirmed. Wow. I’m very depressed about the poor quality of the political talent in the UK right now. But the only upside is that we aren’t as bad as you. Most of our politicians have good intentions, even if they are regularly incompetent or mistaken. But you are - knowingly, it seems - electing some really unpleasant people.
A couple of things~
1) You must be really glad that you don't live in this country.
2) I'm really glad that you don't live in this country, we already have enough people here who don't like this country, which is pretty sad considering how many people from foreign countries who are willing to risk almost anything to live here. Far too many people have to lose what they have, before they can appreciate what they had. Hopefully for all those doubters, it won't ever get that far, I'm pretty sure it won't, for all it's warts, our system works pretty good.
My comment was about some members of your current political system, not your “country”. As per usual, you are trying to pick a fight, and to be as aggresive as possible. A country is FAR more than it’s government, let alone one administration. To try to suggest that anyone who criticises some of your current politicians must dislike your country is either simply stupid, or disingenuous. The US is a very fine country with a HUGE amount to be justifiably proud of. But this doesn’t mean that right at this moment you aren’t electing to office some really unpleasant people. Little good can come from having unpleasant people in charge of your future.

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« Reply #128 on: October 08, 2018, 12:02:17 PM »
 "As per usual, you are trying to pick a fight, and to be as aggresive as possible"

Oh please, I'm aggressive?  Hardly, I'm just noting that you never have anything good to say about our country, made up of people who elect our government.  Being a representative government, our government is our people, for better or worse.
So I'm a patriot, big whoop, you are also, obviously, but I never go out of my way to slam your country.
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« Reply #129 on: October 08, 2018, 12:56:54 PM »
"As per usual, you are trying to pick a fight, and to be as aggresive as possible"

Oh please, I'm aggressive?  Hardly, I'm just noting that you never have anything good to say about our country, made up of people who elect our government.  Being a representative government, our government is our people, for better or worse.
So I'm a patriot, big whoop, you are also, obviously, but I never go out of my way to slam your country.
You could criticise UK politicians as much as you like, and I wouldn’t confuse that with like or dislike of the UK itself. A patriot isn’t someone who is blind to the failings of their own political systems. That is just an idiot. And as I just said previously, my own view is that there is a huge amount to admire about the US. So your statement above is clearly inaccurate.




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Re: Fear: Trump in the White House
« Reply #130 on: October 08, 2018, 01:01:49 PM »
Quote from: Area 10 link=topic=34060.msg387477#msg387477
... the only upside is that we aren’t as bad as you...

Maybe missunderstood that quote just a little. ;D ;D ;D

I'm just giddy because my team finally won...no, not the Republicans and that judge thing, no much more important than that, the Jets!

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Re: Fear: Trump in the White House
« Reply #131 on: October 08, 2018, 01:18:45 PM »
"our government is our people"

really? that seems a bit simplistic, given the russian interference right to vote gerrymandering chads electoral college pornstar payoff day before the election kinds crap weve been thru of recent

oh wait, then there's the "deep state" too--whose people are those government people??

can americans who differ with certain politicians and their policies still be patriots?

ill be a heretic:

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Re: Fear: Trump in the White House
« Reply #132 on: October 08, 2018, 01:38:06 PM »
LOL at eastbound.

Ya our government IS our people. Luckily it is a representative government, so the person who represents you is not Trump.

I am represented by Maria Cantwell and Patty Murray and they make me glad Trump is in office. They are just plain old political bureaulifers with nary an original idea, and plenty of faux outrage to keep their jobs.

The single biggest problem is that the United States is so great, that our best and brightest never enter into the public sphere anymore. There is too much money, resources and happiness available to subject yourself to the dummies in our government halls. Tribalism rules currently and there is no point in entering if you aren't willing to embarrass yourself to fight for your side.

It is highly entertaining though!

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Re: Fear: Trump in the White House
« Reply #133 on: October 08, 2018, 02:35:28 PM »
As I said, you are electing some really unpleasant people. The Senate is composed of US citizens, who voted. They are US citizens just like you, and they had a choice, just like you do.

Our senators who decided this serve a 6 year term, so most significantly predate Trump or the notion of Trump.  You can view the classes here https://www.senate.gov/senators/Class_I.htm .  If you look at the 2019 Class (1) you are going to see a lot of Dems with expiring terms and a few Republicans.  That makes it harder for Dems to turn the Senate this time.  The current makeup is much more a reflection of Republican frustration with Obama which motivated them to show up (Dems are notoriously bad at that).  The pendulum does swing.  You will see it start to swing back in November but it is a slow process.

A forgotten fact is that pre-election if you turned on the news channels the prevailing question was would the Republicans ever regain power.  The message being that the party was doomed.  Hillary was a sure thing regardless of the real polling and sure enough, we showed up in underwhelming #'s. 

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Re: Fear: Trump in the White House
« Reply #134 on: October 08, 2018, 03:05:03 PM »
Some of you may be wondering why someone like me, a foreigner, would be following US politics so much. Well, here’s an example why.

As Sky news reports, Jaguar Land Rover in the UK is to shut down its main plant for two weeks to reflect "fluctuating demand" - after sales to China were hit by the country's burgeoning trade war with the US.

The Solihull factory, which employs 9,000 people, will cease production for a fortnight from 22 October. This year, 1,000 agency staff at the site were axed while another plant in Castle Bromwich saw production cut back to a three-day week.

Latest figures showed JLR sold 57,114 vehicles in September, 12.3% down on the same month last year - with a slump of 46.2% in China blamed on "import duty changes and continued trade tensions" holding back demand.

In these kinds of ways, what Trump does has direct and very swift consequences for our population, just as it does yours. I know most of you know this, but I’m just making the point for those who want to say that US politics is none of our business. We may not have a say in what happens, but it very much affects us.

Not to mention Trump’s climate change denials, in the context of truly horrifying predictions this week from hundreds of leading world scientists:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-45775309


 


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