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Re: Toothpick, ultra narrow tippy race boards. What would you want to know ?
« Reply #90 on: August 21, 2018, 07:22:53 AM »
Obviously there are many AW options since the Bullet V2 came out.  That was years ago and very expected.  But each has its own set of pros and cons.  Most high quality boards out there are pretty good for their intended use. I found the NSP and Sunova and One boards quite interesting when out testing them.
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Re: Toothpick, ultra narrow tippy race boards. What would you want to know ?
« Reply #91 on: August 22, 2018, 04:16:33 AM »
Obviously there are many AW options since the Bullet V2 came out.  That was years ago and very expected.  But each has its own set of pros and cons.  Most high quality boards out there are pretty good for their intended use. I found the NSP and Sunova and One boards quite interesting when out testing them.
The Bullet V2 was never an AW board, if that’s what you were implying. It is a specialised downwind board for light to moderate winds, that also happens to make a pleasant general ocean paddler. You wouldn’t race it seriously in anything but a pure downwind race.

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« Reply #92 on: August 22, 2018, 08:14:18 AM »
Since the Bullet V2 came out there have been a plethora of AW specific boards.  The V2 has always been known as a DW board to complement the V1 -> but it does perform well in all conditions board making it very versatile.  Even in flat water it performs ok for its design shape and width.  Many here use their V2s as their single quiver AW board.  That is the simple fact.  For me as well -> if limited to only one board would keep the V2. 

For racing AW there are obviously a ton of faster options.  ;)

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« Reply #93 on: August 22, 2018, 08:25:21 AM »
Jeez, there ya go again,

How is the Bullet V2 relevant to the topic here? It’s not narrow and it’s not a race board.

The Bullet V2 is surprisingly slow in flat water. That was the main reason I sold mine. It’s really not significantly faster than the Bullet V1 was in flatwater,  but the V1 was better in big conditions.

As long as you keep saying “the Bullet V2 is all things to all men” I’ll keep saying it isn’t. Let’s see how many pages of this forum we can fill doing that, eh?

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« Reply #94 on: August 22, 2018, 08:28:31 AM »
It is what it is.  No one has ever said "the Bullet V2 is all things to all men” but you.  No one has ever said "the Bullet V2 is narrow or it's a race board."

You seem to be arguing with yourself.  :o
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Re: Toothpick, ultra narrow tippy race boards. What would you want to know ?
« Reply #95 on: September 04, 2018, 03:33:23 AM »

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« Reply #96 on: September 04, 2018, 03:46:14 AM »
Thanks a lot Bryce for the informal yet informative chat. :)
https://www.supboardermag.com/2018/09/04/are-narrow-race-boards-nuts-race-dr-bryce-dyer/

Thanks for that. I recorded that straight after some banter on here that gave me a few ideas. I'm also hoping to get some data out too soon once I can get hold of one again.

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« Reply #97 on: September 04, 2018, 04:34:26 AM »
I paddled a 2019 SB Sprint 14'x21.5" at the weekend for ca. 1 km and found that I could not apply a powerful stroke. Did you experience something similar during you first couple of minutes? How much did it improve after 6 hours of paddling? Could you paddle the Sprint as hard as your All Star at the end?

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« Reply #98 on: September 04, 2018, 08:11:38 AM »
I paddled a 2019 SB Sprint 14'x21.5" at the weekend for ca. 1 km and found that I could not apply a powerful stroke. Did you experience something similar during you first couple of minutes? How much did it improve after 6 hours of paddling? Could you paddle the Sprint as hard as your All Star at the end?

I found that I could on completely flatwater (with the occasional wobble if I applied a poor stroke) but as soon as i got onto choppier stuff, no. However, i found playing with fin choice helps massively and the faster you can go, the more stable the board becomes. I think a board of this width for me can't just be hopped on after a long layoff or infrequent use like most boards but if i stuck with it, I think with a winters work I'd be ok. However, I'd be more inclined to play safe and opt for the 23 width.

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« Reply #99 on: September 04, 2018, 10:29:20 AM »
Thanks a lot Bryce for the informal yet informative chat. :)
https://www.supboardermag.com/2018/09/04/are-narrow-race-boards-nuts-race-dr-bryce-dyer/
Thanks for that. I recorded that straight after some banter on here that gave me a few ideas. I'm also hoping to get some data out too soon once I can get hold of one again.
Nice summary.  ;)
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« Reply #100 on: September 04, 2018, 10:53:22 AM »
Thanks a lot Bryce for the informal yet informative chat. :)
https://www.supboardermag.com/2018/09/04/are-narrow-race-boards-nuts-race-dr-bryce-dyer/
Thanks for that. I recorded that straight after some banter on here that gave me a few ideas. I'm also hoping to get some data out too soon once I can get hold of one again.
Nice summary.  ;)

Thanks. I'd have liked to put some data in it but I'd already got to the point when even its 8 minutes was too long and whilst most people on here would know much of the information and be well informed already, I wanted to keep the content accessible to a range of paddlers.

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Re: Toothpick, ultra narrow tippy race boards. What would you want to know ?
« Reply #101 on: September 04, 2018, 02:45:45 PM »
Thanks a lot Bryce for the informal yet informative chat. :)
https://www.supboardermag.com/2018/09/04/are-narrow-race-boards-nuts-race-dr-bryce-dyer/
Thanks for that. I recorded that straight after some banter on here that gave me a few ideas. I'm also hoping to get some data out too soon once I can get hold of one again.
Nice summary.  ;)
Yes, it is a nice summary. But please don’t use the word “paddleboard” to describe a SUP. A “paddleboard” is a traditional paddleboard (ie. a prone board) and IMO we should have respect for that discipline that existed long before SUPs.

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« Reply #102 on: September 04, 2018, 03:58:49 PM »
Thanks a lot Bryce for the informal yet informative chat. :)
https://www.supboardermag.com/2018/09/04/are-narrow-race-boards-nuts-race-dr-bryce-dyer/
Thanks for that. I recorded that straight after some banter on here that gave me a few ideas. I'm also hoping to get some data out too soon once I can get hold of one again.
Nice summary.  ;)
Yes, it is a nice summary. But please don’t use the word “paddleboard” to describe a SUP. A “paddleboard” is a traditional paddleboard (ie. a prone board) and IMO we should have respect for that discipline that existed long before SUPs.
Good point about the respect--it is a bit pushy to take over an existing sport's term.  Also avoid "standup paddle canoe" or would it be "standup paddle canoe racing canoe"?

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Re: Toothpick, ultra narrow tippy race boards. What would you want to know ?
« Reply #103 on: September 04, 2018, 04:14:45 PM »
Well, it looks like the ICF have now dropped the term “stand up paddle canoe racing” from their webpages and have (finally) accepted that what SUPers race is a “board”.

https://www.canoeicf.com/discipline/stand-up-paddle

A small but very significant (and probably welcome by most) change.

Perhaps they are finally showing our (admittedly brief) history some respect. The page now looks like it might have actually beeen written by someone who has stepped on a SUP :)

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Re: Toothpick, ultra narrow tippy race boards. What would you want to know ?
« Reply #104 on: September 04, 2018, 11:43:11 PM »
Thanks a lot Bryce for the informal yet informative chat. :)
https://www.supboardermag.com/2018/09/04/are-narrow-race-boards-nuts-race-dr-bryce-dyer/
Thanks for that. I recorded that straight after some banter on here that gave me a few ideas. I'm also hoping to get some data out too soon once I can get hold of one again.
Nice summary.  ;)
Yes, it is a nice summary. But please don’t use the word “paddleboard” to describe a SUP. A “paddleboard” is a traditional paddleboard (ie. a prone board) and IMO we should have respect for that discipline that existed long before SUPs.

I take your point and I'll bear it in mind for future reference. I probably have as many SUP friends who refer to it as 'paddleboard' racing as they do 'SUP' racing. Its just semantics and not something I think we should get too precious about. I'm from a surf lifesaving background originally (where I raced prone - not that any of us called it that) and we had a similar situation back then when arguing about the Ironman (surf LG version) that existed before the (now) more popular Ironman (triathlon). Better to focus on the positives.
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