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Re: Coiled leashes any negatives?
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2018, 04:04:13 AM »
I have never used a coiled leash so definitely not speaking from any experience but PonoBill posted this back sometime and it convinced me so I thought I would repost. That said, the foil definitely adds a dimension that has to be considered. The video was made in 2010, pre foil popularity.




True, it has a lot more power without the board attached. Something to think about if a coiled leash were to break.


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Re: Coiled leashes any negatives?
« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2018, 08:37:49 AM »
Not sure how short your board is going to be, but definitely do the math with the idea that going off/over the nose at high speed when you're learning to control the breaching...is probably more probable than going off any other direction combined in the overall learning curve and scheme of things. At least that's been my experience.
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Re: Coiled leashes any negatives?
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2018, 05:36:00 PM »
That and if you get a hand in the coil after a wipeout you can lose a finger or toe. I've seen it twice in the past couple years. I do use one for SUP foiling but my when I'm falling I really abandon ship. 
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Re: Coiled leashes any negatives?
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2018, 08:58:22 PM »
My original assumption was that a coiled leash would have no more recoil than a straight one--not true. There's a reason that most manufacturers put "not for surfing" on the leash package. I'm not certain what the mechanism is--obviously, it's not the springiness of the coils--that's trivial. But I've tested this numerous times. A coiled leash with a swivel attached on the end will penetrate thin plywood.  Try it yourself.
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Re: Coiled leashes any negatives?
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2018, 10:25:20 PM »
After trying out some different brands Iíve settled on the FCS half coil. It has minimal tangling characteristics.  I use it only in small soft surf and have never had any recoil issues.  Especially when walking a longboard it's a better tech. 

As informative Billís vid is it would take quite a wave to give such a pull.

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Re: Coiled leashes any negatives?
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2018, 03:40:52 AM »
I would think water would slow down a broken coiled leash to the point of being harmless. Out of the water, it could do some damage, but the odds of the leash being out of the water when it breaks would be extremely low.

Hard to be sure without actually testing it.
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« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2018, 03:46:11 AM »
Ditto. I use the FCS half coil with a waist belt. For surfing and racing. Nevah evah stepped on the damn thing again.
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Re: Coiled leashes any negatives?
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2018, 05:01:54 AM »
As informative Billís vid is it would take quite a wave to give such a pull.

In this case I believe PB was actually conservative, just from my own experience of being leash dragged in not so big waves.

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Re: Coiled leashes any negatives?
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2018, 05:57:18 AM »
I didn't pull the leashes even to the general neighborhood of breaking, and we all know leashes break. You could easily exceed that pull level in a waist-high breaking wave if your board gets well buried in the whitewater, never mind double overhead.

This experiment came about when some zoner reported that the swivel on his coiled leash broke in half in a big wave and the remaining bit fired into his board hard enough to penetrate the glass and lodge deeply into the EPS. He included pictures. I had a tough time believing the coils mattered since they are a wimpy spring, so I tried it, and found I was wrong. Very wrong.

In the turbulence of big waves almost any combination of angles and pull is possible. You don't need to theorize about this. Go into your garage, attach the railsaver to something solid, take the cuff off at the swivel by unscrewing the Allen bolt with a fin key. Stretch it tight and let it go. See if you want your leash behaving like a bungee cord, and then remember Jack O'Niel. Takes ten minutes, might save your eye. Beyond that, you're on your own.
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Re: Coiled leashes any negatives?
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2018, 02:24:15 PM »
As said before I have no issue with my 10ft coil as a beginner to intermediate paddler. I also have a 10ft straight leash and its too long and wraps around the board, your legs and step on them and takes forever to retrieve the board and I think their design for 10ft+ waves  :)
I'm about to test an 8ft leash (straight & coil) and let you know.

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Re: Coiled leashes any negatives?
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2018, 10:06:05 AM »
JEG are you talking surf or flat water?

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« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2018, 12:12:26 PM »
Foiling with leashes?
I'm around foiling almost every time I go out, and I've yet to see anyone use a foil with a leash, I know some people do, but I've only seen that in pics, but most are leashless.

Leashes are to prevent the board going to shore, or far away from you after a wipeout, and I've never seen a board with a foil get washed in or get washed away from the rider.  Now I know that my exposure to foils may be a bit limited to my local waters, but I'm wondering why people would be using a foil with a leash, is it really necessary?  Aside from that safety thing. 
I know the Gorge may be a bit different, but wouldn't the foiled board and the rider drift side by side at the same speed?
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Re: Coiled leashes any negatives?
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2018, 02:08:12 PM »
JEG are you talking surf or flat water?

surf & down breeze/downwind.

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Re: Coiled leashes any negatives?
« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2018, 02:37:20 PM »
hate coiled leashes for surf sup--they get all snarled, knotted and annoying--8 or 9 foot stright leash is just right, and cant beat the leashlok waistbelt

leash fuss is a no go--last thing you wanna deal with if you need to take a big hit paddling out--tangled leash while trying to get the eff outta the work zone--no thks
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Re: Coiled leashes any negatives?
« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2018, 03:31:49 PM »

 wouldn't the foiled board and the rider drift side by side at the same speed?


I've never sup foiled without a leash, but foils go down wind while bodies in the water go with the current.