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Re: Sharing Strategies from other Sports
« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2018, 06:10:42 AM »
@ AREA:
What about one of your favorite SUP?
You are not going to call is a board?
Yes, I am in fact referring to your K15.

Take the K15 direction and just make it better... that's all I am saying here. When you come up with something that will work across the board in terms of versatility, I believe you will have a winner for the sport. Racing, in my opinion, isn't the future of Stand Up Paddling.
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Re: Sharing Strategies from other Sports
« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2018, 06:18:06 AM »
@ AREA:
What about one of your favorite SUP?
You are not going to call is a board?
Yes, I am in fact referring to your K15.

Take the K15 direction and just make it better... that's all I am saying here. When you come up with something that will work across the board in terms of versatility, I believe you will have a winner for the sport. Racing, in my opinion, isn't the future of Stand Up Paddling.
I have owned a K15. Sold it. Have owned an Ace. Gave it to a friend. I now have 18 boards. No dugouts.

That speaks for itself.

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Re: Sharing Strategies from other Sports
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2018, 06:19:27 AM »
Is this thread about standing up in surf ski’s or about Sharing Strategies from other Sports?

Windsurfing, kitesurfing, skiing, and mountain biking all saw lots of very specialised designs for the polarised spectrums of pure speed racing and the fun/freeride aspect. Then emerged a nicely versatile middle ground where the equipment was pretty useful for most conditions and activities. This is the kind of gear I like for all those sports and SUP included. I also believe this is the area where gear in these sports evolves the most and sells the most. Because it focuses on useful and fun.


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Re: Sharing Strategies from other Sports
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2018, 06:20:05 AM »
@ AREA
No board for you... I mean: "No fake boards for you"
:)
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Re: Sharing Strategies from other Sports
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2018, 06:34:11 AM »
Personally, one of the aspects I enjoy the most in SUP is moving around on the board.

Personally, I am not interested in this current new fad of boards which are designed so you stay stuck in one place. Dugouts and rudders.

Time will tell but I’ll place my bet on the future of SUP with simple, versatile shapes that favor being used by nimble and mobile footed riders. And aesthetic simple practical beauty.

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Re: Sharing Strategies from other Sports
« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2018, 06:54:45 AM »
Is this thread about standing up in surf ski’s or about Sharing Strategies from other Sports?

Windsurfing, kitesurfing, skiing, and mountain biking all saw lots of very specialised designs for the polarised spectrums of pure speed racing and the fun/freeride aspect. Then emerged a nicely versatile middle ground where the equipment was pretty useful for most conditions and activities. This is the kind of gear I like for all those sports and SUP included. I also believe this is the area where gear in these sports evolves the most and sells the most. Because it focuses on useful and fun.

^This.

It's the middle ground and the masses that saves a sport. As I say, if the sport caters for clowns like me, it'll tank fast. I can list a long list of sports that created more specialized forms of equipment for different events and it never ended well. If you want the big participation numbers, if you let guys like me turn up with a range of boards on the roof and a trunk full of science people will leave in a stampede. Mountain biking is collapsing due to this, kiteboarding the same and windsurfing is gone. This is why one design racing really took off in sailing in the 1980's.

(It's funny as I'm having the exact same discussion on a cycling racing forum as I write this with exactly the same concerns.)

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Re: Sharing Strategies from other Sports
« Reply #21 on: May 21, 2018, 06:58:45 AM »
Personally, one of the aspects I enjoy the most in SUP is moving around on the board.

Personally, I am not interested in this current new fad of boards which are designed so you stay stuck in one place. Dugouts and rudders.

Time will tell but I’ll place my bet on the future of SUP with simple, versatile shapes that favor being used by nimble and mobile footed riders. And aesthetic simple practical beauty.
Yes. Most people just want one SUP. Unless they are racers, that SUP being a deep dugout makes little sense. Dugouts catch wind and chop. They are a pain to carry and transport. They are almost impossible for many people to get back into after a fall - to the point in some cases and scenarios where it is dangerous. They look like canoes, and people standing in them look like amputees (with no offence meant to amputees - I mean it looks different).

On the other hand, a SUP that looks, basically, like a big surf gun can be a thing of great beauty, and be highly versatile and easy to use. Cheaper and easier to own/carry/transport too.

And you could have sex on one. Good luck having sex in an Ace :)

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Re: Sharing Strategies from other Sports
« Reply #22 on: May 21, 2018, 07:02:33 AM »
I hate this whole direction and hope it dies quickly. Just my opinion but this is standup paddle "boarding". I don't see a board in the picture.

You can't call an ACE board - but it is in fact a stand up paddle board.
No it isn’t. It might be called one but it isn’t. There’s no reason to use an Ace unless you are a racer. There are much nicer and more versatile boards to use.

If you want to paddle a canoe then for heaven’s sakes do it properly and sit down.

What makes you think that only a racer would own a 14x25 Ace?
Downwind FUN, anyone, any ONE?

The ACE GT, as heavy as it was, was in fact a super versatile board - fishing, camping, photography, downwind, cruising, intro to the sport (none of which have anything to do with racing) - and that thing was the furthest thing from a conventional BOARD.
If you want FUN downwind (rather than speed at any cost) then a traditional downwind BOARD delivers much more. Up to about 15-20 knots an Ace could be more fun but after than they just get too skittish and hard to control for 95% of recreational paddlers. And getting back into an Ace in big winds and swell is a bloody nightmare. Literally, sometimes.

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Re: Sharing Strategies from other Sports
« Reply #23 on: May 21, 2018, 07:35:04 AM »
And you could have sex on one. Good luck having sex in an Ace :)

I consider myself a moderately experienced paddle boarder, but that's something I've yet to try. Will have to talk with the wife about this   ;D
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Re: Sharing Strategies from other Sports
« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2018, 07:49:13 AM »
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 Mountain biking is collapsing due to this, kiteboarding the same and windsurfing is gone. This is why one design racing really took off in sailing in the 1980's.
...

 :o
huh?

Mountain biking is heaving. You need to go to some mountains and have a look.

Kiteboarding and windsurfing have merely settled into areas that are good for practicing it. The new equipment is very cool.

One design racing is always where it is at. I found it pretty cool that for the (2013) 34th America's Cup Oracle had the Finn and Laser world champions for strategy and tactics decision making.

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Re: Sharing Strategies from other Sports
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2018, 07:57:26 AM »
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On the other hand, a SUP that looks, basically, like a big surf gun can be a thing of great beauty, and be highly versatile and easy to use. Cheaper and easier to own/carry/transport too.

And you could have sex on one. Good luck having sex in an Ace :)

This is awesome Area  :D 110% agreed. Brilliant!!!
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Re: Sharing Strategies from other Sports
« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2018, 08:17:49 AM »
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 Mountain biking is collapsing due to this, kiteboarding the same and windsurfing is gone. This is why one design racing really took off in sailing in the 1980's.
...

 :o
huh?

Mountain biking is heaving. You need to go to some mountains and have a look.

Kiteboarding and windsurfing have merely settled into areas that are good for practicing it. The new equipment is very cool.

One design racing is always where it is at. I found it pretty cool that for the (2013) 34th America's Cup Oracle had the Finn and Laser world champions for strategy and tactics decision making.

Not riding- I meant MTB racing has been plummeting for a decade (particulary XC). I ride at national level so I know what cyclesport is doing. The growth is in enduro's and mass participation events, not XC racing and downhill.

Steve West's book covers Windsurfing's fall from grace nicely.

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Re: Sharing Strategies from other Sports
« Reply #27 on: May 21, 2018, 08:33:36 AM »
^understood

Yes, pure XC racing is pretty invisible unless you participate in it. Mtn bikers hardly think of that as mtn biking.

I like the Mtb enduro racing format. It develops cool useful bikes and attracts good talent. Ski resorts continue to develop really cool trails and are vastly increasing their summer business. The young guns downhilling are going off the charts. Just insane. We have these little groms all around us just flying downhill. Plenty of new blood in that sport. It's heaving.

« Last Edit: May 21, 2018, 08:36:37 AM by yugi »

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Re: Sharing Strategies from other Sports
« Reply #28 on: May 21, 2018, 08:39:56 AM »
Personally, one of the aspects I enjoy the most in SUP is moving around on the board.

Personally, I am not interested in this current new fad of boards which are designed so you stay stuck in one place. Dugouts and rudders.

Time will tell but I’ll place my bet on the future of SUP with simple, versatile shapes that favor being used by nimble and mobile footed riders. And aesthetic simple practical beauty.
...
And you could have sex on one. Good luck having sex in an Ace :)


AREA should get the "Forum Award" for this one.
However, in the future, he may want to look at this... - much for suited for extra-curriculum-activities.

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Re: Sharing Strategies from other Sports
« Reply #29 on: May 21, 2018, 08:48:46 AM »
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 Mountain biking is collapsing due to this, kiteboarding the same and windsurfing is gone. This is why one design racing really took off in sailing in the 1980's.
...

 :o
huh?

Mountain biking is heaving. You need to go to some mountains and have a look.

Kiteboarding and windsurfing have merely settled into areas that are good for practicing it. The new equipment is very cool.

One design racing is always where it is at. I found it pretty cool that for the (2013) 34th America's Cup Oracle had the Finn and Laser world champions for strategy and tactics decision making.

Not riding- I meant MTB racing has been plummeting for a decade (particulary XC). I ride at national level so I know what cyclesport is doing. The growth is in enduro's and mass participation events, not XC racing and downhill.

Steve West's book covers Windsurfing's fall from grace nicely.

So, learning from other sports yet?
I know I sure have.

MTB
I also see mountain biking as a great sport, with a great number of participants. Easy access to just about anyone may have a lot to do with it. The XC Racing scene? Declining!

FLAT WATER MARATHON
This is a somewhat boring sport in my eyes that I used to teach. It's fantastic for working on your technique, and helps tremendously surfski paddlers. The Marathon Racing scene? Nearly non-existent. Last weekend was a disaster: with just a handful of French paddlers trying to get on the French team. What a sad day! Meanwhile, they have ONLY ONE TYPE of craft.



SUP LONG DISTANCE
SUP as a sport is still booming - but the racing scene is taking a total slap.

The only thing I see in common is that humans are getting weaker - and they all want instant gratification. That long distance stuff may seem too much work for the newer generation. Heck, walking 5k to school barefoot may be too much for any kids these days, especially in Winter. (okay, the last part was a joke)
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