Author Topic: For those who dislike the slate/hypernut/tommo shape what alternatives are there  (Read 4500 times)

devon_sup_surf

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Hi guys

As above really. I think i have got my head around the concept of the tommo shape sup. Hopefully the below summary is correct.....?

super short for slashing style- less swing weight and no nose so no nose weight
straight rails generates speed
just throw it around and make the most of the mushy smaller waves

But- I do wonder if these boards really work? At the very least they seem quite polarizing.. ....

EBay is littered with Tommo surfboards- and hypernuts- so I wonder if they are a bit of a fad?

If so- has anyone really nailed the SUP groveller/fish design?

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The Sunova shroom was designed to answer that question

Here's Bert's quote on it
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WHAT YOU THOUGHT OF WHEN YOU DESIGNED IT?
The goal was a super groveler and other model names being thrown at me were the Minion, Slate, Raptor, Hypernut, but I honestly didn’t want to make one, I really felt all these style of boards, while offering something unique also had short comings that really forced you into a very limited wave range and style, including the types of maneuvers you could do, so for over 18 months I kept redesigning it in my head. The overall package is designed to work together to minimize the shortcomings..

If you take all the other boards like this on the market, they have there good points and there bad points..

I hate bad points... If i cant design a really good board, then i just wont make one.. So its taken me a while to settle all the issues with the current offerings and come up with something that will do it, or at least do it better..

Plus the other boards have been around long enough for people to be familiar with there short comings and potentially recognize this one will do it…


check it out here   https://sunovasurfboards.com/en/sup/sup-surfing/shroom

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Here are three I've owned (or still own):

L41 (bunch of models...I had the ST) - http://www.l41surfcraft.com/models/

Not really a groveller, the Infinity RNB is a blend between a tomo and a performance board (scroll down) - http://www.infinity-sup.com/boards-surf/

Kronos makes a cornice shape for softer waves called the Nutter Butter (scroll down) - https://www.surfkronos.com/

I liked all of them. 
« Last Edit: February 01, 2018, 05:25:24 PM by surfafrica »
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I actually think the tomo shape really is awesome on fat waves.  My issue- We never really get any where I live.

I have experience with 3 'tomo' Boards.  a Hypernut, a no-name based on a Mark Liddell Shape, and the Sunova Shroom.

My opinion is that the boards can not be ridden low liter.  They just dont work well.  On fat waves you want to be in early- get speed and 'skate' you need some glide to do that- and they done work well when you sink the tail or rail. 

In the right condtitions I loved ll 3 of these boards.  But they are brutal in critical waves.  The hypernut a little better because the tail is a bit pulled in- and the sidecut- but not by much.  These are Definetly quiver boards if your conditions vary.



the board I see out there right now and have been kinda eyeing (but wont do anything about) is the JL Superfrank.  To me its a more refined Starboard pocket rocket- flat rocker- but still has a pulled in tail- and some beef upfront to glide into waves- could be a tomo killer.  Do a  search here and seabreeze .... seems to be very well recieved.

I also like Anon Surfers Greedy Beaver design as well- and it also seems to perform well in 'tomo' style waves while probably being more versatile and remaining small and nimble.

I also found this board the other day- i have no experience with it but it is a shaper that killed his own tomo shape to go to this- and he is in FL- home of fat waves.

https://www.supsurfmachines.com/boards/78-accelerator
« Last Edit: February 01, 2018, 05:37:05 PM by NorthJerzSurfer »

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I have a 7'4 Hypernut for foiling and surfing though I have surfed it more than foiled it so far.  I enjoy it in conditions up to head high and it makes surfing small waves super fun.  It does lend itself to more of a slashy style than pivoting style of surfing.  I agree with what NorthJerzSurfer says about it not being ideal for critical waves and I also don't like it when the breaks are crowded as the lack of glide puts you much closer to critical on takeoff and this puts you into the middle of the prone lineup.

For those that don't like the tomo shape, other interesting shapes for what you describe seem to be ones that keep some of the parallel rails and flatter rocker but have a bit more pulled in nose/tail (e.g. Infinity RNB, Super Frank...etc.)  I also saw Mike from Killer SUP out in the surf with a true fish design that he made himself.

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Really interesting indeed guys thanks

So there are alternatives to the tommo style! As said above they seem to be a combo of a more traditional shape and the tommo- parallel rails and plenty of volume- but rounded nose and more pointy tail for the more traditional style of surfing.

Hypernuts seem to litter the classifieds in the UK- so I suspect they are relatively controversial.

And it looks like JP are coming to the same line of thinking- their 2018 slate seems to be narrower in the nose and tail than last year- much like many of the boards above.......

http://jp-australia.com/2017/sup/products/hard-boards/surf-slate-2018/

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A real Tomo is a magic board. I have a 5’5 Vader.

They don’t scale to SUP size with the same all around magic and range. Once scaled up, it becomes more of a niche board. That’s why people are split on their fandom.

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Another alternative is the Jammer...
I have a number of clients who ride Jammers as their only board...in all conditions...small & weak to big & hollow...so, not a one dimensional niche board as some mentioned are...

With a curvaceous outline and stepped rails...along with deep vee and double concaves...this board is great for surfers who know how to surf rail to rail and not just stand there like an Egyptian statue...very fast , very maneuverable very fun...surfers that grew up riding Fish surfboards seem to really gravitate to it...

Typically ridden in sizing from 7'4" to 8'6"...but, we have built them shorter and longer...

http://blog.surfingsports.com/jammer-sup


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everything is a fad until you find the board that you like  ;)

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Hammer looks really nice.

This has been very educational- I didn't realise there were so many small wave shortboard SUPs!

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Hammer looks really nice.

This has been very educational- I didn't realise there were so many small wave shortboard SUPs!

Aloha devon_sup_surf,
That was actually my Jammer SUP board design above...but, I also have developed a Hammer SUP design, as well as a Mallet SUP design that work very well in small waves...even though the Hammer can handle much bigger surf too...

I have used both of these boards as SUPs and WindSUPs...also, for WindFoiling...& SurfFoiling...multi-sport boards...

To the Hammer...every wave is a nail...;-)

http://supsports.com/standup-paddle-boards/hammer-series/



http://blog.surfingsports.com/2015/01/mallet-sup-2.html


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Another alternative is the Jammer...
I have a number of clients who ride Jammers as their only board...in all conditions...small & weak to big & hollow...so, not a one dimensional niche board as some mentioned are...

With a curvaceous outline and stepped rails...along with deep vee and double concaves...this board is great for surfers who know how to surf rail to rail and not just stand there like an Egyptian statue...very fast , very maneuverable very fun...surfers that grew up riding Fish surfboards seem to really gravitate to it...

Typically ridden in sizing from 7'4" to 8'6"...but, we have built them shorter and longer...
I agree about the Jammer.  It's awesome and I highly recommend it.  My 7'4 absolutely used to shred and I loved it.  (see my profile pic) Wardog shapes fabulous boards!  Unfortunately, he and I had a misunderstanding about the glass job and I ended up with an incredibly light, 14lb, board that absolutely ripped, but it fell apart within a year of purchase.  I know his boards are well made, my problem was just because of a misunderstanding about the glass job.  You should buy one.   
« Last Edit: February 03, 2018, 06:58:40 PM by Zooport »
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Aloha Mike,
I don't want to change a board design thread into a board construction thread...but, quite frankly, the only "misunderstanding" about the glass job on your Jammer is you thinking that you were gonna get one of our Dom Perignon Champagne quality builds on a Budweiser budget...;-)

We build some of the lightest and strongest boards in the industry...and, we build them here in California, USA using some of the most experienced craftsman around...

http://supsports.com/standup-paddle-boards/california-custom-series/

We offer a variety of constructions...including some that will break your thumb trying to finger dent them...vacuum bagged bamboo ECOBOARDS with Ballis-Tech (ballistic) glass certified by Sustainable Surf...all carbon...carbon hybrids...all S-glass...and, mixtures of the above...so, I don't think that it is fair to continue to denigrate myself, or the glass factory that actually built it to the way you ordered it...and, ignore the reasonable offer to build you a much stronger board than you originally ordered...

You knew that when you hit me up 3 years ago, almost to the day, to build you a Jammer...here's how I remember it going down...

The very first sentence in your email to me stated:

Hey Warren,
I would be interested in the least expensive construction option for the Jammer.  Would that be regular glass?  No deck pad.  FCS Quad, no fins.  I'm a poor teacher with an expensive case of WIS.


My wifey is a public school teacher in Special Education...so, we gave you a "poor teacher" discount, from $1599 to $1399 and a cash discount...then, you haggled some more...

Any cheaper if I forego the fins, leash and go straight blue, no airbrush graphics?   -

Here is my response...

Aloha Mike,
Alrighty then...I gotta be upfront here..our products are very fairly priced...and, we're not getting rich...but, we love what we do...hopefully, you as well...
I'm really not into the price dickering game that others have to play because they are shlepping mass produced merch... that's why I control my own brand...
I'm paying a living wage to good, honest, hard working American surfers to glass most of my boards here locally....
That said...we do have a soft spot in our hearts for good, honest, hard working American teachers around here...;-)
My manager, Al, has a wifey that works in education, also...he grew up life guarding down your way...before he transferred up here to supervise the Gaviota Coast...

So, we'll do this board for you at $1299...we can't go any lower without putting a steeple on our building...;-)


I upgraded your board to Powerline stringer at no cost...you also asked us to install your supplied pad on it for you...which we agreed to...and, I agreed to meet you at a beach somewhere in the 805 to let you demo my 7'5" Jammer...but, you couldn't make it...

My records show that you placed a deposit on 2/8 and that we finished your board on 3/6...you picked it up on 3/7...which is pretty quick turnaround for the surf industry in SoCal...or, anywhere for that matter...it was glassed by Ray Lucke, one of the most experienced glassers in the industry...using only high quality materials...

We provided you pictures all of the way thru the build process...as I have explained to you in other emails...your board's core is top of the line Marko 1.5# density EPS foam with a more expensive Powerline stringer...we used Resin Research's highest grade epoxy by Greg Loehr...there are 3 layers of S-glass (all 6 oz) over the rails in the standing area...6oz. S-Glass has a 40% higher tensile strength and a 20% higher modulus of elasticity compared to E-Glass...etc...

We have several older boards in our rental/demo fleet at the shop built exactly the same way by the same glass shop...paddled hundreds of times...and, they are still holding up...

Regardless, this was a custom surfboard...built on the high performance end of the weight spectrum, with reinforcements in the critical areas...using the best available US manufactured materials, at a SUPer fair price...and, you have stated multiple times that it rips like no other...we hear that from every Jammer rider...

Wardog,
Just wanted to drop you a quick note to tell you how much I love that Jammer. It catches waves great, it literally will do a cutback with a 12″ radius, has great drive and speed, bounces off the lip like a pro board, yet pretty darn stable for a board that is only 7’4.


It is far and away my favorite out of the 11 boards I own and I don’t want to ride any of my others anymore.

Thanks for your brilliant design.

Kind regards,
Mike ****** (AKA Zooport)


After you went immediately went public here, before talking to me, about knocking a fin box out because you rode to close to shore, we offered to fix it...and said that if you are frustrated with the durability, just flip it...& we will build a new one with extra durability in mind...which we are obviously quite capable of...but, you responded that you wanted to keep it...because, it was such an "awesome board"...

http://supsports.com/customer-testimonials/

I have ridden custom surfboards for over 40 years...some lasted longer than others...some ended up as "hall of fame" collectors items...etc...bottom line, I surfed the snot out of them and flipped  them when they started to break down...and, I had the "magic" boards reproduced with heavier glass jobs...funny thing is...most lost that "magic"...thus, my old saying "light is right"...;-)

Anyways...like boards...there are two sides...hopefully, you can move on to your next new favorite board and find that same joy and happiness...STOKE...that the Jammer gave you on the wave face...

Peace out...



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I've always liked the look of that Jammer shape.
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Good looking Jammer!

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