Who won 2017 Nautic SUP Paris Crossing?

[Eagle]

With nothing so far to back up the race results.  It makes the race a joke.  Maybe this is true then.

PW - "Attention people, these people are scammers"

TDk - " if it's in france, then they will always see that a french guy can win... that's just how they are.."

[stoneaxe]

Wow!....just watched the video......no question the guy on the blue starboard won. I'm assuming that was Bruno the guy they are saying was second. Definite rip off.

[Eagle]

This was what the race official said on the boat after the "official" result was changed from Bruno in first -> to Bruno in second.

"You can kill me I don't care I don't even know you ..... But at least he is second which is not bad actually.  Hahahaha!"

So diplomatic.  Bravo. 

[ukgm]

This was what the race official said on the boat after the "official" result was changed from Bruno in first -> to Bruno in second.

"You can kill me I don't care I don't even know you ..... But at least he is second which is not bad actually.  Hahahaha!"

So diplomatic.  Bravo. 

I got involved with the debate on facebook. It appears the timing chip is the rationale for the switched placing. However, this might be an error if the chip measures point to point timing or start gun to finish line timing (not the same thing). Frequent calls to produce the photo is falling on deaf ears.

[stoneaxe]

Who benefits from this race? Where's the money go? For the organizers to act as they are in the face of evidence to the contrary is weird. Also pretty poor planning to have the Sunday afternoon paddlers finishing the same time as the elites....not a very clean finish and one wrong move by someone in pink could make or break the race.

Chips should measure start gun to finish line unless it's a time trial...which I doubt. The only way I could see Bruno not being the winner is if the chip reader was slightly behind/beyond the blow up finish line. Bruno was clearly ahead at the front of the float but it looked like he was losing ground as they went through.

[Eagle]

When paddlers cross a finish line, the clock stops when the chip physically crosses the line, instead of when the front of the SUP breaks the plane. This means that paddlers are being scored based on when their chip first crosses the line, instead of when their SUP first crosses the line.  While it is instant and convenient, the margin of error is far too large.  Too much can happen in one one-hundredth of a second to risk it.

So the timing chip probs did not line up with the finish line.  Which kinda contradicts the point of a photo finish.  Makes the blow up doll finish line arbitrary.  More than likely the photo or vid at the finish line was Bruno in first.  So still seems like a joke.  The level of timing sophistication leaves something to be desired.  Especially if wanting to be taken seriously at the Olympics or whatever.  But most paddlers round here could care less anyways who won.

"Participants may be equipped with a "tracker". In this case, wearing the tracker under the bib or ankle is mandatory."

"The jury is made up of 3 members of the 2017 Nautic SUP Paris Crossing Organization. It will meet after any protest by the Race Direction and / or a Competitor."

"The jury's decisions are at its discretion and without appeal."

https://www.salonnautiqueparis.com/user/pages/02.visiter/animations-salon/nautic-sup-paris-crossing/avis-de-course-2017/Avis%20de%20course%20NAUTIC%20SUP%20PARIS%20CROSSING%202017%20-%20V2.pdf

http://www.finishlynx.com/packages/rowing-and-padding-timing-systems/

[viatormundi]

Sorry to say that but I am not surprised that a French rider was given a better position by French organizers. They are good at that. 

[comeu]

Sorry ...They are good at that.

When I started that topic, I was just curious to know what you guys thought about it, now I think the race wasn’t properly organized and I seriously doubt Arthur was first.
Then, I’m one of “them”, I’m French, do you seriously believe I’m good at cheating? I checked results for previous years, couldn’t find results for 2009 but then in 2010, 2011, 2012 Eric Terrien (F), 2013 Leo Nika (Italy), 2014 Casper Steinfath (Denmark), 2015 Titouan Puyo (NC), 2016 Bruno Hasulyo (Hungary), Arthur Arutkin (F). Do you want women results? O. Piana won in 2015, then Susak Molinero won last two races.

That race isn’t properly organized, but please avoid national bias.

[yugi]

Arthur Arutkin is a really fair-play, gentlemanly, stand-up guy. I’d like to hear his take on all this. I’d guess that if he felt Bruno was ahead of him he’d speak up and say so.

Titouan, Olivia, Eric, Arthur as well as their younger team-mates are some of the kindest, humble, approachable, good sport and fair-play riders you will ever meet in any sport.

Sure, the French get all cocorico ("cock-a-doodle-doo") about their athletes. Usually done all in good humor however, not by cheating. The race committee is obviously lame and we are right to ask for justification, justice and evidence. Yet it’s a bit of a stretch to take judgement based on an off angle video and also a bit of a wide brush stroke getting used. Especially off base if you’d ever had the pleasure to meet one of their SUP athetes.

Bossman from SupRacer was there. He always knows everything that goes down. Pinging Bossman... please enlighten us.

[Eagle]

Can say have been involved in races where there has been bias.  Sometimes very subtle and sometimes very obvious.  Where racers you have thought to be very honest and upright and honorable.  But when it goes in their favor by some race committee mistake or whatever -> they willingly accept a win or an award.  They turn a blind eye and take full credit.  They do not say -> Hey on the line he was ahead by a foot or so.  So would not expect any change.

The angle perspective favors the closer racer.  But in the vid the racer in the back is closer to the line.  If Bruno was even he would be farther back.  More parallel to the blow up line perspective.  Basic geometry and angles.

All Arthur has to do is say -> he does not know if Bruno was ahead.  And leave the result up to the race committee.  BS happens.  Not many would be so vocal if it were not so obvious.  It is pretty obvious.  But it is what it is.  The result is final.  The only way it could be changed is if Arthur came forward and said -> at the line Bruno was ahead so he should get the win.  But seriously doubt that.  The win right now is his.  The results clearly show that.  So he won.  Right? 

[Eagle]

Sorry ...They are good at that.

That race isn’t properly organized, but please avoid national bias.

On a bit bigger bias scale -> this is possible on a national basis.  Puts this little SUP result into perspective.  But still does send the wrong message unless a photo finish is coughed up.  So not good for the nation and organizers.  But all will be forgotten by next year.  Arthur will be first according to the results sheet.

"In 2010, the Russian team had a desperately uninspiring performance at the Vancouver Olympics, winning just three golds. Perhaps the most impressive statistic was that the then sports minister, Vitaly Mutko, racked up expenses claims for 97 breakfasts. Faced with the prospect of an embarrassment on home ice in Sochi, the then-president, Dmitry Medvedev, it is claimed ordered a total overhaul of the system. According to the whistleblower Grigory Rodchenkov, the task was to win at Sochi at all cost, even if that involved flagrant, systematic cheating."

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/dec/10/russia-reaction-winter-olympics-ban-sochi-2014-putin-mutko

[TallDude]

I did a large race where we all had ankle chips. You had start through the surf to do 4 laps around the buoy's, then back to the beach and run to the finish. After the second lap I realized I was in the lead and lapping people. One of the corporate heads of a sup company and his bro group wasn't counting laps and I hear the announcer yelling out "here comes ..... in the lead"! I'm about 2/3's around my last lap. There was no one in my board class in front of me. I finish 4th. I'm thinking the chip will be the proof. Nope. They crossed the finish first. My first experience with the who's who running the SUP show. It really didn't surprise me that much. Buoy turn littered zig zag races suck anyways. Straight out.. who can do 6 or 12 miles the fastest.

[surfcowboy]

Anyone else think that's a horrible design for a finish line? The sides obscure the line. There's no way to film it at a right angle. They need to put the line across outside either before or after those supports.


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