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Wipe Your Own A$$
« on: September 08, 2017, 01:53:10 PM »
**rant start** For those not familiar with the term, it means take responsibility for your actions and decisions, and if you make a mess, clean it up! I bet there are lots of rants about this, but I'm new to all the rules and regs that are being thrown around, and I'm shocked at what I'm discovering - people don't have to wipe their own asses anymore.

"But what happens when people get together for a race and don't understand the risks involved and someone DIES?" See the title - if I don't know what I'm doing and don't contemplate the risks involved, I deserve whatever happens.

"But what if it's your KID?" See the title - My kids have got to learn how to take responsibility for their own actions and decisions, too, and no agency relieves me of that most basic responsibility to teach that to my children.

"But what if your wife/husband is frantic because you're missing at the end of the day?" See the title - Even if I do stuff "right", it's a dangerous sport at times, and I choose to do it. No, I don't want the Coast Guard to be out there looking for me, I'd rather die alone in the cold dark water than loose the freedom I fought for. If you don't agree with that DON'T DO IT.

We Americans aren't allowed to do things without protecting ourselves in accordance with the federal government, the state government, the city police, the state police, the FBI, the Coast Guard, medical and insurance companies, etc. etc. - and when things go wrong, we still aren't protected from being hurt or dying, nor from someone who decided we didn't do "enough" to keep everyone else safe. Wipe your own ass!

If I want to join paddlers in a set distance paddle, someone has to organize it, and thereby take responsibility for my safety. So now low key (read: no big sponsors) events can't afford the liability, because we are no longer allowed to assemble peacefully and do a physical event together without someone being forced to take responsibility for everyone else's decisions, actions, and personal safety? Wipe you own ass!

If I go to the water with extra gear and lend someone gear to paddle with FOR FREE, I'm liable if they hurt themselves even if I make them sign something. So even if I want to help anyone and everyone find joy on the water (and that's what I love doing) they can sue me for everything I have and more if they get hurt, or die, or if they just feel like it? Wipe your own ass!

If I want to paddle without a leash or PFD, I can be fined, or worse. What if I don't like the way the officer is talking to me, and tell him to fuck off the way I would tell anyone else getting in my business? Yeah, I'll be arrested, detained, fined, and whatever else they want to do, instead of him being allowed to say "Whatever dude - wipe your own ass!"

I'm sure folks who are heavy into events, or politics, or law, or corporate business have a lot of complicated explanations why this is so, but if it can't be explained in simple terms & words, it's a bunch of BS. Wipe your own ass.

We are all responsible for our own decisions and actions, and no government or agency can take that away unless we let them. We are giving up freedom for what we are being told is safety, and it's just plain wrong no matter how you slice it. **rant complete**
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Re: Wipe Your Own A$$
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2017, 06:28:00 PM »
I think we can all understand the rant...at least at some level. It certainly would be a different world if everyone simply took responsibility for their own actions.....we can dream I guess. Unfortunately it's only getting worse.

I do kind of like the idea of the Coast Guard coming to look for me if the shit hits the fan though...and I'm not sure I'm losing any freedom there.
« Last Edit: September 08, 2017, 06:33:45 PM by stoneaxe »
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Re: Wipe Your Own A$$
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2017, 12:42:04 AM »
Well - in the UK we have a BS RNLI advert on the TV at the moment that highlights their lack of understanding on water safety. The Rescue services have just showed the whole UK that they are clueless!  :o

Another lifeboat man was "fearful for his life" when a two foot wave plucked him off the rocks.

We can all go and kill each other on SUPs at the moment and that cool but not in canoes or kayaks.



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Re: Wipe Your Own A$$
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2017, 04:01:02 AM »
Yep.
Turned into a nation of lawsuit happy blamers.
The land of the Free and home of the Brave, is no longer.

When are people ever going to realize that a "safe life" guaranteed free of all risk, is NOT a life worth living?
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Re: Wipe Your Own A$$
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2017, 04:24:27 AM »
No risk = No life....

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Re: Wipe Your Own A$$
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2017, 07:46:20 AM »
"No, I don't want the Coast Guard to be out there looking for me, I'd rather die alone in the cold dark water than loose the freedom I fought for. If you don't agree with that DON'T DO IT."

I agree with the whole taking responsibility part but there is no way you really believe you would rather die should you find yourself in the predicament than have the CG rescue you?  The freedom I fought for and get off my lawn
 and blah blah blah.  Seriously, just stop.

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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2017, 08:31:11 AM »
I agree with the whole taking responsibility part but there is no way you really believe you would rather die should you find yourself in the predicament than have the CG rescue you?  The freedom I fought for and get off my lawn
 and blah blah blah.  Seriously, just stop.

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Re: Wipe Your Own A$$
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2017, 03:04:50 PM »
"No, I don't want the Coast Guard to be out there looking for me, I'd rather die alone in the cold dark water than loose the freedom I fought for. If you don't agree with that DON'T DO IT."

I agree with the whole taking responsibility part but there is no way you really believe you would rather die should you find yourself in the predicament than have the CG rescue you?  The freedom I fought for and get off my lawn
 and blah blah blah.  Seriously, just stop.

**Laugh** ok surf, but at least keep what I said straight. Your twist on what I said is pretty silly. I'd rather be a dead lion than a live hyena any day.
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« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2017, 05:18:19 PM »
**rant start** For those not familiar with the term, it means take responsibility for your actions and decisions, and if you make a mess, clean it up! I bet there are lots of rants about this, but I'm new to all the rules and regs that are being thrown around, and I'm shocked at what I'm discovering - people don't have to wipe their own asses anymore.

"But what happens when people get together for a race and don't understand the risks involved and someone DIES?" See the title - if I don't know what I'm doing and don't contemplate the risks involved, I deserve whatever happens.

"But what if it's your KID?" See the title - My kids have got to learn how to take responsibility for their own actions and decisions, too, and no agency relieves me of that most basic responsibility to teach that to my children.

"But what if your wife/husband is frantic because you're missing at the end of the day?" See the title - Even if I do stuff "right", it's a dangerous sport at times, and I choose to do it. No, I don't want the Coast Guard to be out there looking for me, I'd rather die alone in the cold dark water than loose the freedom I fought for. If you don't agree with that DON'T DO IT.

We Americans aren't allowed to do things without protecting ourselves in accordance with the federal government, the state government, the city police, the state police, the FBI, the Coast Guard, medical and insurance companies, etc. etc. - and when things go wrong, we still aren't protected from being hurt or dying, nor from someone who decided we didn't do "enough" to keep everyone else safe. Wipe your own ass!

If I want to join paddlers in a set distance paddle, someone has to organize it, and thereby take responsibility for my safety. So now low key (read: no big sponsors) events can't afford the liability, because we are no longer allowed to assemble peacefully and do a physical event together without someone being forced to take responsibility for everyone else's decisions, actions, and personal safety? Wipe you own ass!

If I go to the water with extra gear and lend someone gear to paddle with FOR FREE, I'm liable if they hurt themselves even if I make them sign something. So even if I want to help anyone and everyone find joy on the water (and that's what I love doing) they can sue me for everything I have and more if they get hurt, or die, or if they just feel like it? Wipe your own ass!

If I want to paddle without a leash or PFD, I can be fined, or worse. What if I don't like the way the officer is talking to me, and tell him to fuck off the way I would tell anyone else getting in my business? Yeah, I'll be arrested, detained, fined, and whatever else they want to do, instead of him being allowed to say "Whatever dude - wipe your own ass!"

I'm sure folks who are heavy into events, or politics, or law, or corporate business have a lot of complicated explanations why this is so, but if it can't be explained in simple terms & words, it's a bunch of BS. Wipe your own ass.

We are all responsible for our own decisions and actions, and no government or agency can take that away unless we let them. We are giving up freedom for what we are being told is safety, and it's just plain wrong no matter how you slice it. **rant complete**

Agree with you 1,000 percent.

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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2017, 06:28:44 PM »
I agree strongly--in general.

But it sometimes isn't t cut and dried.  Say you enter a race, and the race director does something insanely irresponsible, and you get hurt.  But he won't make even the simplest gesture to help you out.  Isn't he now the one who isn't taking responsibility for his own (poor) decisions and actions?

And plenty of lawyers do plenty to deserve their bad reputations, but at the same time, there are people out there who won't listen or change their bad behavior until a lawyer appears to tell them to stop.  But it's the crazy lawsuits, verdicts and regulations that get the attention.

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« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2017, 07:54:19 PM »
The risk is relatively low. I still can figure out why Sparky doesn't want to do a BOP again?

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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2017, 03:11:34 PM »
I look at that video TD and all I can think about is how they screwed up a great day of surf at salt creek and creamed a bunch of expensive boards when they could have run the whole thing off the sand along Capistrano.  Sure it's more scenic to run the event in a cove, but a course in and out of the breakers all the way to Poche would have had so much more spectator potential.  I also think that the San Clemente Pier or Oceanside Pier would make for a great venue. I shook my head at Salt Creek in disbelief.  I guess it's that ingrained respect for the sanctity of an established surf spot, and not wanting to piss off proners more than we do already.

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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2017, 04:01:53 PM »
After more than 6,000 miles along the coastal trail on my eBike riding the 3.5 miles to my local break and back I get this message from a neighbor on Facebook.   

Should I tell him to WYOA?

Hey D. Saw you riding fast on narrow, crowded coast trail Saturday (today) with your foil. Great setup... but dangerous FOR OTHERS. Would be a lot safer for pedestrians if you put a cover on wings and maybe even bottom part of mast (these are commercially available). Could even be some pipe insulation with velcro. Just thinking what a hazard you are to others. How is the foiling going. I am thinking to get a Takuma Concept 100 style SUP/Surf foil for kiting slow in waves. Cheers.

Next thing we'll be required to get a license, or pay a tax for the Foil "Because those people are having too much fun."
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« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2017, 12:21:56 PM »
Salt creek was a lot more fun than it looked like. The guy at 1:44 with a goofy orange helmet and an SIC Bullet 17 next to Doc Danger with his Standamaran is me. That was our restart with the 14's after getting denied and slammed on the first go. I found a hole in the middle of the 14' carnage and got out, or I'd still be there.

From what I understand, Salt creek was about it for options. Not only does that event need a place to get in the water from, it also needs parking and vendor room.

Beasho--I got yelled at by a lady for screwing around with my three wheel bike on the quiet back street behind my house. Unfortunately for her, she an idiot that I see blasting down the street in her soccer mom van almost every day, and easy 20mph over the speed limit. She was upset because I was in the way. I gave her a major league ass chewing. While I was at it, one of my neighbors came by and took over for me. Seems she had nearly hit her kids once. We probably won't see her on Sherman street again.

People who want to explain to you why you are doing something "that endangers others" probably aren't considering all the shit they do. So yeah, I'd tell him to shut the fuck up, but I wouldn't do it on facebook. I'd do it to HisFace.
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