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Re: NELO is in for the games with Light Signature Race
« Reply #525 on: August 10, 2018, 01:15:49 AM »
A word from the maker
https://www.facebook.com/100004232409595/posts/1098957243588679/
Sounds like the shaper is on the same voyage of discovery that the leading brands have been on - and that racers go through when they start out. Everyone is looking for “free” speed so they turn to obvious possibilities such as rounded hulls, less weight, minimising wetted surface, and then add a few fancy tweaks for show, such as complex chines etc. And then they do their testing in pure flat water - on the grounds that that is the most reliable test.

But what they end up with is something that is really difficult to use, and quite often looks a bit of a dog’s dinner. As soon as the paddler uses it in conditions it wasn’t tested in - surprise surprise - it is as fast as a dog’ dinner too.

IMO there really isn’t any simple way to a design like the All Star, Sprint, RS, Maliko etc. Except to copy them. They have been honed by experience more than theory. Hard yards all over the world. And by multiple riders - this is important I think because otherwise you end up with quite singular handling characteristics that might suit your particular pro but not the average Joe (could this perhaps be said of Travis’s influence on some of the NSP designs?).

So, if Lightcorp stay the course (and my prediction is that after a couple of seasons of trying, and relatively few sales, they will go back to their core business, like so many others), they’ll probably end up with a decent compromise design in 2-3 years’ time that can rival the main brands. But right at this moment I’m not quite sure what it is about that video - or the rather poorly-written design notes- that was supposed to convince me to buy one of these boards.

I really hope that they get it right soon though. With the imminent financial meltdown that Brexit is going to cause, we here in the UK could do with a local(ish) brand that makes boards that are gonna last forever because soon none of us are going to be able to afford new boards! But they’d better do it quick, before the Euro softens too when we default on the 100bn euro payment that the EU thinks it is going to get from us when we leave the EU, and voters in Italy, France and Germany start to resent financially supporting the poorer EU countries... we live in interesting times.

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Re: NELO is in for the games with Light Signature Race
« Reply #526 on: August 10, 2018, 01:54:15 AM »
The new GT with 23.5 width is too narrow for me. Maximum rider weight according to specification at 90 kg.
...and recommended minimum rider weight: 78 kg. It's an extremely narrow range.
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Re: NELO is in for the games with Light Signature Race
« Reply #527 on: August 10, 2018, 02:38:42 AM »
The new GT with 23.5 width is too narrow for me. Maximum rider weight according to specification at 90 kg.
...and recommended minimum rider weight: 78 kg. It's an extremely narrow range.

Its what happens when you design something scientifically with a targeted waterline. I had a nice email from them this morning with some more thoughts and details. I'm not sure i agree with their design but I oike their process and at least it offers a different angle to the masses.

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Re: NELO is in for the games with Light Signature Race
« Reply #528 on: August 10, 2018, 03:20:14 AM »
The new GT with 23.5 width is too narrow for me. Maximum rider weight according to specification at 90 kg.
...and recommended minimum rider weight: 78 kg. It's an extremely narrow range.

Its what happens when you design something scientifically with a targeted waterline. I had a nice email from them this morning with some more thoughts and details. I'm not sure i agree with their design but I oike their process and at least it offers a different angle to the masses.
78kg minimum? Most of the top racers these days would be a bit lighter than this, surely? Is this aimed at the “competitive but not a podium regular” racer? I seem to remember someone (Jim Terrell? Danny Ching?) saying a few years ago that the optimal weight for a male SUP racer is around 70-75kg...?? So maybe they think that if you are over 78kgs you aren’t going to be wanting to paddle anything narrower than 23.5” wide, and you are most likely a decent weekend warrior but not likely to threaten the best?

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Re: NELO is in for the games with Light Signature Race
« Reply #529 on: August 10, 2018, 03:48:44 AM »
The new GT with 23.5 width is too narrow for me. Maximum rider weight according to specification at 90 kg.
...and recommended minimum rider weight: 78 kg. It's an extremely narrow range.

Its what happens when you design something scientifically with a targeted waterline. I had a nice email from them this morning with some more thoughts and details. I'm not sure i agree with their design but I oike their process and at least it offers a different angle to the masses.
78kg minimum? Most of the top racers these days would be a bit lighter than this, surely? Is this aimed at the “competitive but not a podium regular” racer? I seem to remember someone (Jim Terrell? Danny Ching?) saying a few years ago that the optimal weight for a male SUP racer is around 70-75kg...?? So maybe they think that if you are over 78kgs you aren’t going to be wanting to paddle anything narrower than 23.5” wide, and you are most likely a decent weekend warrior but not likely to threaten the best?

It depends on whether their volume is catering for elites or to the wider market that would buy the board. It's the opposite approach to Naish who seem to design the volume of their race boards based on the weight of an elite paddler or their team riders (but is too low for the market in my view).

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Re: NELO is in for the games with Light Signature Race
« Reply #530 on: August 10, 2018, 08:51:40 AM »
ukgm - we’ve been here before. It’s stupid you trying to win (at an elite level) on a 14ft board. You are too big. You should be on an UL. If people like you won’t carry the torch for UL then that really is an example of turkeys voting for Christmas.

But if you are irrevocably focussed on volume (because of this), then have you tried a 2018 14x22.5 Ace? It is a design that is tolerant of changes in waterline.