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Re: RED 2017 14'x25" Eilte racing machine!
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2016, 05:26:32 AM »
I've just posted this in the Will it Downwind? Yes or No thread.. I was reluctant to even try this downwinding having had it out on the flat and also in chop several times. This board is TIPPY, but super fast. In the flat I can paddle it as fast as the Ace 14 x 27... Filmed this with the new GopPo Hero 5, and you'll notice the sound quality is better. Also used the inbuilt stabilisation, so images appear crisper.

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Re: RED 2017 14'x25" Eilte racing machine!
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2016, 05:35:23 AM »
Nice!
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Re: RED 2017 14'x25" Eilte racing machine!
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2016, 07:32:51 AM »
I've just posted this in the Will it Downwind? Yes or No thread.. I was reluctant to even try this downwinding having had it out on the flat and also in chop several times. This board is TIPPY, but super fast. In the flat I can paddle it as fast as the Ace 14 x 27... Filmed this with the new GopPo Hero 5, and you'll notice the sound quality is better. Also used the inbuilt stabilisation, so images appear crisper.

https://youtu.be/Ggp1kim_Za4

Quality is great. I replied to this video on the other thread.
I see you chose not to go with the 3rd person mount. What makes you decide what to go with, is it certain conditions or just convenience?

I have to say, I find this board so capable, it is the first time I find myself going for my inflatable rather than my SIC for a downbreezer.

Yesterday, on a very light breeze (6mph) I went 5.5 mile downbreezing against the current for (1-1.5 knots) at 4.7 mph average.

on the way back with the current against the wind my average was
6.5mph with peaks up to 8.9mph (testing bursts with my new ZRE Lightning)
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Re: RED 2017 14'x25" Eilte racing machine!
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2016, 08:29:36 AM »
Burchas, Glad you liked this. I have to say the board surprised me and I am impressed. I have used it in one time trial here and everyone was surprised it was an iSUP. SO.. fast it is. I really thought it would be too much of a handful downwinding, but amazingly it seems to get more stable the faster it goes, and the new FFC (Forward Flex Control) pole really seems to stop that flexi-banana-nose thing going on.

I usually only use the 3rd person mount:

a. On a board I know is stable,
b. When I've got a safety boat with me,
c. When several others paddling with me.

I've had a few narrow escapes wearing it when I've fallen and somehow the leash has wrapped around my neck and the 3rd person pole, and the only way to get out of it has been to undo the one buckle and two wraps of velcro that secure the pole around your waist. This is difficult at the best of times. I'm pretty good at calming myself in these situations having spent a lot of time getting rolled in the impact zone when wave sailing (a windsurfer) while holding onto a boom, and sometimes ending up between it and the sail and being unable to unhook the harness. I do carry a floating marine knife tethered to the chest pocket of my CamelBak, but trying to cut through a coiled leash while being choked by it out at sea, is something I'd rather avoid...
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Re: RED 2017 14'x25" Eilte racing machine!
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2016, 11:13:17 AM »
well - it's not a 6" thick bottom. That kayak is open top - more of a canoe. It's for sure an out of the box idea. Maybe a top on the front half - 2" thick top? 2" thick walls? 3" floor?

I also have been wondering why there isn't a solid bit in the bottom - like the under a Zodiak - the inflatable keel - or a rigid tube, either one - to give the front half more of a displacment shape. The Red Paddle stiffener rod on top - if it was slipped into the bottom? Or a 2nd one? would provide an keel shape.

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Re: RED 2017 14'x25" Eilte racing machine!
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2016, 08:37:10 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxAwgpWZmxU

Outside of the mistake on the fin box at 13:37 (said it's same as last year which is not) and not mentioning the much more rounded shape, It a pretty good review.

Would love to see them testing it downwind and chop (side chop). Flat water is very narrow scope.
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Re: RED 2017 14'x25" Eilte racing machine!
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2016, 09:29:18 AM »
I have been researching Race iSup's so I can easily travel to some races in 2017. Kinda bummed this sounds so tippy, but with that said my balance has been vastly improved on my 26" wide Lahui Kai - which is fairly tippy (video link to recent choppy water run on my Lahui Kai below). Really want the inflatable race board to work in flat and choppy conditions. Maybe the non-elite 14" is a better way to go? So for this new board is it a 'tippy" you think you would get used to after some time on the board in the crud?

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Re: RED 2017 14'x25" Eilte racing machine!
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2016, 10:07:40 AM »
Might take a look at the 14' x 26" Race. Basically the 2016 14' Elite, now called the 14' Race. More stable than just the 1" wider.

https://greenwatersports.com/shop/red-paddle-co-14-race

Got some detailed pics if interested.
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Re: RED 2017 14'x25" Eilte racing machine!
« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2016, 10:08:29 AM »
So for this new board is it a 'tippy" you think you would get used to after some time on the board in the crud?


Already took it to some messier water. I think you can get use to it
if you put time on it, I feel more comfortable on it already.

A good fin will give extra stability, like the Larry Allison Dolphin Pivot keel. I'm also going to try his paddle core fitness fin, should be interesting.

The biggest challenge for me right now with this board is heavy side chop on a windy days. On days with 10-15mph winds, its gets pretty tricky if you want turn into the wind due to its shape and volume, you  put a lot of leverage on the paddle which leaves you susceptible to balance loss and inevitable drop.

If you can keep your rhythem and speed steady, even in messier conditions, you should have no problem.
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Re: RED 2017 14'x25" Eilte racing machine!
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2016, 10:41:56 AM »
Burchas - side chop is most people's enemy.  :D

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Re: RED 2017 14'x25" Eilte racing machine!
« Reply #26 on: November 08, 2016, 10:44:10 AM »
^ depends what board you're on


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Re: RED 2017 14'x25" Eilte racing machine!
« Reply #27 on: November 08, 2016, 10:47:18 AM »
^ depends what board you're on

^ Indeed.

in said conditions I would not think twice about it on my
SIC. With this board I have to pay extra attention. It could be that
I need more time on this board. only time will tell.
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Re: RED 2017 14'x25" Eilte racing machine!
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2016, 07:07:27 AM »
Are the side handles juxtaposition next to your standing area a problem?

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Re: RED 2017 14'x25" Eilte racing machine!
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2016, 07:34:58 AM »
Are the side handles juxtaposition next to your standing area a problem?

The short answer is NO.

Few more rides on the board I discovered that trim makes a big difference.

While in the previous Elite board Red encouraged you to stand a little forward to overlap your standing area with where the RSS battens are engaged, I found that standing forward, where the FFC system starts, will give you the most responsive, stiff and tippy ride. the flex is very minimized at that point.

But for more stability I found that going backwards, slightly behind the middle handles ( where only you toes overlapping) is a better place to stand, it's not as stiff and your fine is more engaged.

And to your first inquiry. This would definitely be my board for travel.
assuming that one usually travels to a warmer place where cold waters are not an issue and taking a dive or two won't mess you up.
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