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Which Naish Glide? I am pretty confused
« on: September 01, 2016, 06:34:08 AM »
I've been looking into getting a second board (bought my first, a Naish Odysseus, about a month ago). Want to have a second for friends, etc, to hopefully develop a community of SUP friends in our town. I live on the Connecticut shore so, although I am interested in surfing, it isn't really an option most of the time. After speaking to some of the good people of Windward Boat Shop, I started looking at the Naish Glide. I am 6 ft and 180 lbs. This board would be for ocean touring. Maybe I will try down winding at some point, although right now I would describe myself as a novice.

Initially I was looking at the 2016 GTW Touring in 12 feet which seems a bit more versatile in terms of transportation, etc. Since it is the end of the model year I have also seen some good deals on 2015 models in 14 ft /x 29 and x 30, and even a stray 2014 here and there. . Although there is a fair amount written about individual models I remain quite confused. It seems that there are different versions and geometries both within and between model years.

Unfortunately, there is no great place for me to test these boards within 100 miles

There's no real urgency here- I'm more window shopping than anything else but if I find the right deal on (what I think) is the right board, I would pull the trigger.

Any thoughts you have would be much appreciated.
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Re: Which Naish Glide? I am pretty confused
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2016, 10:55:39 AM »
Don't have specific experience w/ the newer Glides, but I'd go with the narrower option if you spring for the 14'. Should be plenty stable at your size. Don't be fooled by the 27" width of the older Glide 14's either, they are very stable. 

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Re: Which Naish Glide? I am pretty confused
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2016, 11:23:19 AM »
My vote would be for the 14x29. Any year, if they are those dimensions they'd be the same shape.

The shorter Glides are fine, if convenience is your principal goal, but I think they really nailed the design of the 14x29, and so do a lot of other people too.

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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2016, 11:50:06 AM »
 The Older V2 14 x 27" Glide has more rocker compared to the 29" and leans more towards the DW side of things imo. You can use the 27" for everything, but the 29" wide with a bit less rocker is the more versatile board imo. Not as slap happy going upwind and more stable. There is a weight penalty with the 29" in GS and for many that's the biggest downside. I weigh 200 and change, and use my 29" for everything. Touring, downwinders if I get the chance, and I added tie downs for hauling gear for day trips,and overnighters. There are better options for flatwater, but for ocean and open water touring where conditions can get rough and stability is important, the Glide 29 is a very good choice.

The 30" wide 14 is massive. The width carries throughout the board further than the 29", it has a fair bit more volume, and weighs 2-3 pounds more. Unless you are planning on packing a LOT of gear, or have balance issues, give it a pass. 

« Last Edit: September 01, 2016, 11:56:43 AM by robon »

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Re: Which Naish Glide? I am pretty confused
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2016, 05:12:35 PM »
I know all the Glides very well and like the others I'd steer you towards the 14x 29" Glide..

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Re: Which Naish Glide? I am pretty confused
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2016, 07:16:33 AM »
  I've had the 14x29 for 3 weeks now and I can say it's rock solid stable and HEAVY. 35 lbs on my scale. Fun board though, goes pretty well in the flat and fun to catch waves with. There are times I wish I was on a Javelin or at least a Glide at 26 or 27 inches since the 29 is probably more stable than I actually need it to be. It was a lot cheaper than a Jav though and I really wanted to be able to surf with it since I paddle in the ocean and I think the Javelins aren't quite as suited for that as the glides with the more pronounced  rocker. I'm 6'3 170 fwiw and as the others said go for the 29 for sure, even first timers would have an easy time with it.

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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2016, 08:52:02 AM »
Yeah it's a shame that Naish don't make a 14x27.5" version of the 14x29, in a lighter layup. 35lbs is too heavy by today's standards, really. But then again, it is HUGELY cheaper than typical carbon boards. A part-carbon one at 30lbs would be good though, and might wrestle from the All Star the title of "most versatile distance SUP".

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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2016, 09:54:04 AM »
It would make a lot of sense for Naish to make a 27.5" version taken from the 29.5". Maybe add a concave to the hull. Keep everything else the same so it maintains the good handling characteristics in conditions. I believe the carbon version of the 29" comes in at around 29 pounds (good luck finding one), so I could see a hybrid carbon 27.5" coming in at around the same weight. The Glide can be  a bargain even compared to other boards in standard lay ups. Many shops offer clear out pricing on the 29" GS at the end of the season, and go as low as 1100.00 US for a new board and demo models in good conditions can go for even cheaper.  California kiteboarding have new 12'6" and 14" Glides in GS for 1299.00 right now.

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Re: Which Naish Glide? I am pretty confused
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2016, 10:58:44 AM »
For ocean touring and some DW the 14x29 should do fine.
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Re: Which Naish Glide? I am pretty confused
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2016, 02:32:44 PM »
Thanks all. This is really good advice. Any thoughts on the GS vs. GTW construction?

One other board I am strongly considering at this point as well is the Fanatic Ray 12. Love the look of this board and the construction looks excellent. Helps that JimK is offering me a great deal as well ;)
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Re: Which Naish Glide? I am pretty confused
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2016, 05:15:23 PM »
I just bought a '16 Glide 14x30 GTW (because I'm a big guy) and according to the scale at my local shop it was 31lbs. I could've gotten the GT for much less but I wanted the lighter weight. At your size I'd go with the 14x29 as others have suggested. The 14 footers just cruise so nicely.
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Re: Which Naish Glide? I am pretty confused
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2016, 05:21:43 PM »
Yeah it's a shame that Naish don't make a 14x27.5" version of the 14x29, in a lighter layup. 35lbs is too heavy by today's standards, really. But then again, it is HUGELY cheaper than typical carbon boards. A part-carbon one at 30lbs would be good though, and might wrestle from the All Star the title of "most versatile distance SUP".

Area 10, Naish did make a  14x27.5" version in a lighter carbon layup, it's the 2012/2013 Naish GX Glide 14'0".


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Re: Which Naish Glide? I am pretty confused
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2016, 07:09:57 PM »
Yeah it's a shame that Naish don't make a 14x27.5" version of the 14x29, in a lighter layup. 35lbs is too heavy by today's standards, really. But then again, it is HUGELY cheaper than typical carbon boards. A part-carbon one at 30lbs would be good though, and might wrestle from the All Star the title of "most versatile distance SUP".

Area 10, Naish did make a  14x27.5" version in a lighter carbon layup, it's the 2012/2013 Naish GX Glide 14'0".


I have a very lightly used one for sale in San Diego if some one is interested, PM me!

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Area stated Naish should make a 27.5" version of the 29". The boards share the same name but the design is not the same. Different rocker line, nose design isn't quite the same etc.
« Last Edit: September 03, 2016, 07:18:37 PM by robon »

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Re: Which Naish Glide? I am pretty confused
« Reply #13 on: September 03, 2016, 08:59:01 PM »
Yeah it's a shame that Naish don't make a 14x27.5" version of the 14x29, in a lighter layup. 35lbs is too heavy by today's standards, really. But then again, it is HUGELY cheaper than typical carbon boards. A part-carbon one at 30lbs would be good though, and might wrestle from the All Star the title of "most versatile distance SUP".

Area 10, Naish did make a  14x27.5" version in a lighter carbon layup, it's the 2012/2013 Naish GX Glide 14'0".


I have a very lightly used one for sale in San Diego if some one is interested, PM me!

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Area stated Naish should make a 27.5" version of the 29". The boards share the same name but the design is not the same. Different rocker line, nose design isn't quite the same etc.
Yes, robon is correct. I said they should make a narrower, lighter, but still economical version of the 14x29. This is a completely different shape than the 14x27.25" Glide V2 (the current 14x29 is commonly referred to here as the V3 Glide).

However the reason I said that they should make a 27" wide version was because the Glide V2 was a good seller for Naish, and it is still a much loved board today. It is not without its foibles (it doesn't like super-confused waters much), but it is still one of the fastest small-conditions downwind boards ever made, and works very well as an all-round board for an ocean paddler.

Many people supposed that the V3 version of the Glide would appear as a tweaked version of the V2, aimed at dealing with the V2 handling foibles, and at a similar price point and construction. However the shaper of the Glide 2 (Harold Iggy) sadly died, and so Naish went with an all-new design for the Glide V3. Initially, the V3 appeared in two constructions that were similar to the V2 (GX, a lighter, more expensive (but perhaps a little flexy) one, and GS a pretty heavy but good value one), but unfortunately IMO the GX version of the Glide v3 (14x29) was dropped in subsequent years, perhaps because it would compete with the new 14x28 Javelin in super-expensive constructions that was being introduced.

Well, that's how I remember it, anyway. I'm no Naish expert, but if details are incorrect here then I'm sure DJ can correct them. There are many videos in webland of him downwinding on both the V2 and V3 Glides, and you can see that they are very different. One of the ways that the videos differ is that we stopped seeing DJ fall in the videos after he got the wider 14x29 Glide V3 ;)

There are also excellent videos of our South African friends downwinding the V2 around Cape Town. They are among my favourite ever downwind videos, and show just how fast the Glide V2 was, even in bigger stuff in the right hands.

It is always worth looking carefully at DJ's choice of board IMO, because his skills and budgets are more representative of the amateur SUP enthusiast compared to videos that show people like Kai Lenny, who have skill levels that are completely unattainable for 99.99% of the population and don't pay full price for their boards. What most people want is a board that flatters them rather than exposes their weaknesses. The 14x29 Glide is probably that board, especially you are a little taller and/or heavier than the average paddler. Unfortunately, you also have to be stronger than average too, since the only construction available to you is welcomed by weightlifters in training, but cursed by average people everywhere who have high roof racks.

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Re: Which Naish Glide? I am pretty confused
« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2016, 09:15:53 PM »
Unless you need the Naish brand, look at the Starboard Elite 14x30 weight is 31 lbs. in the heaviest construction and they paddle very well for the width. Paddleboard Specialists has them on sale for $1239.
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