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Re: The sticky volume thread
« Reply #75 on: September 21, 2013, 06:06:54 PM »
The shape of the board will have a lot to do with your ability to ride a low volume Sup. But you can also increase your roll stability by putting in a larger fin.

I find yaw is a function of paddle technique.
You can bury the rail you are paddling on using the rail to help the board paddle straight and also a more vertical stroke will pull it straighter.
The wider the board the more outward from center you pull creating yaw..
so here larger framed individuals can pull straighter because they are already closer to the rail shoulder width wise.
A smaller paddle blade will help at first because it will have less pull and you can then compensate with less pressure on rail for edge control. Just a higher cadence..more nimble..

I have ridden the narrow but longer Imagine and Corran boards and had a slight learning curve at first but was soon keeping up. In this case the length of the board provided stability in the front to back direction, leaving me to focus on lateral stability. As long as you are moving there is what I would call glide stability..

With the shorter low volume Sup's a fuller outline creates stability.
The Coreban Hyper 7'X29" has a wide tail and full nose so the board sits flat and has 115L so not really a low volume Sup ( I'm Calling close to 100 L low volume for me at 170#).

The Naish Hokua 7'8" and some of the Starboard's (most recently a team riders 7'4"X26", 80L Pro) have volume forward which allows you to pull your paddle a little harder without digging the nose in.

The C4 Grom at 7'4"X27.9", 100L can be a handful with shorter fins, but luckily I am liking the 8.5" center fin and 2 knubsters on the rail for side bites..Holds in the pocket nicely..does sink the nose occasionally..



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Re: The sticky volume thread
« Reply #76 on: September 22, 2013, 01:24:40 PM »
Hey Ralph, or anyone else that wants to chime in - How different would it be if you weigh 190 pounds to paddle a stubby 8' Simsup (30.5", 4 9/16", 129 liters) and then immediately start paddling the 7' Coreban Hyper (29", 5", 115 liters)? They are both stubby boards but would 14 liters less volume feel radically different when paddling? And how much funkier would the Hypers extra 7/16" in thickness feel when surfing?




With the shorter low volume Sup's a fuller outline creates stability.
The Coreban Hyper 7'X29" has a wide tail and full nose so the board sits flat and has 115L so not really a low volume Sup ( I'm Calling close to 100 L low volume for me at 170#).

The Naish Hokua 7'8" and some of the Starboard's (most recently a team riders 7'4"X26", 80L Pro) have volume forward which allows you to pull your paddle a little harder without digging the nose in.

The C4 Grom at 7'4"X27.9", 100L can be a handful with shorter fins, but luckily I am liking the 8.5" center fin and 2 knubsters on the rail for side bites..Holds in the pocket nicely..does sink the nose occasionally..



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Re: The sticky volume thread
« Reply #77 on: September 22, 2013, 02:01:15 PM »
You can answer that one yourself...
I will arrange a Demo for you...

How about next weekend at the BOP?

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Re: The sticky volume thread
« Reply #78 on: September 22, 2013, 02:16:29 PM »
Next weekend won't work for me Ralph but I will keep that in mind and contact you when I can. (I live in coastal north San Diego county)


You can answer that one yourself...
I will arrange a Demo for you...

How about next weekend at the BOP?

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Re: The sticky volume thread
« Reply #79 on: October 14, 2013, 10:40:41 AM »
Hyper is ready for you...
Will probably have it for a few more days..

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Re: The sticky volume thread
« Reply #80 on: October 14, 2013, 09:12:54 PM »
Have you ridden it yet?
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Re: The sticky volume thread
« Reply #81 on: October 15, 2013, 05:50:04 AM »
Yes been riding the 7'0" Hyper for a long time now.
At the first Timapalooza I rode it..
Had it at the Oceanside Socal SZ board demo day..you were there.
Plenty of pictures of me riding it on Facebook.
I can send you some..or post here?

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Re: The sticky volume thread
« Reply #82 on: October 15, 2013, 11:59:18 AM »
I've never been to any demo so that wasn't me. Do you have video of you riding it?
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Re: The sticky volume thread
« Reply #83 on: October 17, 2013, 02:59:38 PM »
No Video yet.
But here  are some pictures...

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Re: The sticky volume thread
« Reply #84 on: January 27, 2014, 02:15:29 PM »
This thread has been pretty quiet... don't tell me nobody stops buying/trying different boards during the winter. 

The past two weeks have brought not only really fun waves to SoCal but a revived interest in going to a smaller, lower volume board.  I have been on a 7'11 Phoenix for the past few months but at 30" wide, it felt like a tank.  I didn't even have to think about balance.  Two weeks ago I swapped boards with SoCalSupper and was blown away by his Phoenix (7'3 x 28.5"... 96L) and how easy it was to paddle.  I posted my Phoenix for sale that night (and sold it this weekend to a fellow Zoner supbzh).  In the meantime, I also went in the opposite direction and rode Sweepademus' 9'0 Infinity (Slater Trout longboard style) for a little while.  What a blast.  Getting into waves super early and easily, and just such a different feeling.  Then to complicate my mind further, I just picked up a 7'10 x 27.5 x 3 3/8" Infinity that is probably around 92-96L.  I know I'll be able to paddle it, I just don't know how difficult it's going to be.  According to the equation that started this thread, my number (without the +20L) is around 86L so I'm not worried that I won't be able to paddle it. 

For you guys that have gone super small, have you found that it's harder or easier to paddle out when there is some decent sized surf?  I feel like a small, light board will get tossed around much easier in the white water and be like a bucking bronco.  I know time will tell but curious to those in the 180-200 weight range that are riding sub 100L boards.

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Re: The sticky volume thread
« Reply #85 on: January 27, 2014, 07:21:10 PM »
How could a super small board ever be easier to paddle in bigger surf?

For you guys that have gone super small, have you found that it's harder or easier to paddle out when there is some decent sized surf?  I feel like a small, light board will get tossed around much easier in the white water and be like a bucking bronco.  I know time will tell but curious to those in the 180-200 weight range that are riding sub 100L boards.
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Re: The sticky volume thread
« Reply #86 on: February 03, 2014, 09:28:44 AM »
At 210lbs (95kg), SUS on a 8'6" x 120L in most of conditions.

If glassy, no wind, wife's board 8'2 x 110L but fall alot. On it I tend to paddle prone and get up only when sets are comming.



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Re: The sticky volume thread
« Reply #87 on: February 24, 2014, 12:59:46 AM »
I am 84 kg and I am ok on a 106 liter starboard pro 8'5 x 29

I want to order  a 96 liter starboard pro 8'0 x 28

Should I just do it or will it be to big a gamble?

I tried it once in very easy conditions in my boardshorts and had a lot of fun on it.....

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Re: The sticky volume thread
« Reply #88 on: March 05, 2014, 05:29:50 AM »
I am 84 kg and I am ok on a 106 liter starboard pro 8'5 x 29

I want to order  a 96 liter starboard pro 8'0 x 28

Should I just do it or will it be to big a gamble?

I tried it once in very easy conditions in my boardshorts and had a lot of fun on it.....

Probbally some hassle at first sessions, but i think you could handle it. In worst scenario, you'll keep it for easy conditions days.


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