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Foil SUP / Re: Supfoil beginner board size

« Last post by dingfix on April 10, 2024, 02:14:49 AM »

Thanks to all who replied.  Ninja...that's exactly the advice I was looking for, many thanks.  This is for supfoil only, so, I'm going to try around 7'6  or even 8'0 x 31 x 145l.   The 6'6 board I tried was more for wingfoil and it was almost impossible to paddle!

 

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Random / Re: Erik Antonson interview with Stacy Peralta

« Last post by sflinux on April 09, 2024, 11:26:08 PM »

Eric: "I think that as we age we create this incredible filter for life to where you are not really present ever you just kind of
have these automatic programs running and  the reality that you see is a very small subset of the information that is actually coming in because you just filtering it all out.  and I think that flow happens, the feeling happen, when you put yourself in a position where you have to remove the filter to navigate what you are doing."

Stacy: "Can I launch into something?  Launch into something that I have been really thinking about a lot because it has affected my life in such a positive way.
I have been a surfer all my life.  Started when I was 11.  Was a sponsored surfer with the Zepher surf team and that is how the skateboarding team happened, etc, etc
My close friend Sam George, I don't know 24, 25, 23 years ago something like that called me one day and said hey, you've seen Laird Hamilton do this new thing called Stand Up Paddleboard surfing.  I am doing it now.  It is unbelievable.
I got an extra board and paddle I would like to come down and turn you onto it.
I thought that sounds good, new form of surfing
This was something like 24 years ago, maybe longer I don't even know.
But anyway, he comes down and I'm thinking I have been doing this all my life, I am a former professional athlete, this is going to be easy
it was unbelievably difficult.
That first day, I was shocked and how bad I was.
And I had not experienced being a kook in maybe since I was 11.
certainly had not experienced being a kook as an adult
and I was an absolute kook.
I couldn't navigate the board around to go catch a wave, I fell constantly.
I was out of the water after 40 minutes because my ankles were so tired.
i was on the beach watching Sam and it was like watching a matador.
I could see the beauty of what he was doing. and it was right then and there I thought ok,
I am going to buy a board and buy a paddle and I will learn this.
if somebody told me on that beach that it was gonna take me 5 months.
I would have said no I am not going to buy this board, I am not going through that, not going to do that
and I am glad somebody wasn't there because that 5 months was really tough.
And I was shocked that I was that bad.  And that it took me that long.
Well to make a long story short, I eventually got good at it and it provided years of enjoyment
still do it, still love it ok
When I looked back on that 5 month period, I realized something really magic happened.
And I couldn't figure out what it was.
But something during that learning period, even as uncomfortable and as difficult as it was.
something magic happened   And I really wanted to know what it was cause I wanted to do it again.
Well I would get that chance again a couple years later when I learned to kiteboard.
kiteboarding ok, SUP took me 5 months.  kiteboarding took me a year and a half.
because I had never been a windsurfer.  I knew nothing about the wind.
I knew nothing about riding boards that looked like wakeboards
so the whole thing was so new and it can be really dangerous if you are not careful.
so that took a year and half.  This time I really paid attention, what's the magic?
And I found out what it was.  And its totally counterintuitive.
And it is not going to make any sense.  But it is going to play into exactly what you just said.
About we are not paying attention. That we just kind of put a veil over things.
The magic was for that year in a half.  I lived in a state of total uncertainty and insecurity
whether I was ever going to figure this out.
It dominated all of my thinking.  I was constantly problem-solving.
How can I get better at this?  What do I need to do?  this that.  When I was in the water I was problem solving.  When I was at home I was problem solving.  I was so alive to this situation.  Because I wanted to figure it out so badly and I wanted to get good so badly.  And I didn't know if I could.  And all this insecurity and not knowing weighed on me heavy but that weighing on me made me pay attention and step up. it was as if kiteboarding and SUP was looking at me, and saying you want to do this you have to give it everything you got to give it everyday. And I finally got it.  And I became, SUP, quite good at it.  And loving it.  But as I got good at it, it took less and less of me to do it.  Now I can do it in my sleep.  But back then it just took so much and so I really realized I need to be a kook about every 3  to 4 years of my life.  I need to do something that puts me in the kook phase where.
I have to go into that thing of being so bad at something.
that I don't know what is going to happen that I am uncertain, I'm insecure, all of that
because it keeps me incredibly young and it keeps me paying attention.
Now since that time I've done a lot of research and found that psychologically they are finding that people that are willing to put themselves in uncertain situations actually put themselves in healthy situations.  Because when you are facing uncertainty and you go through in it and not retreat from it
you end up breaking rigid thought patterns, neural thought patterns in your brain, and by breaking them and shattering them you make way for newer and healthier ones and so
this is when I got into foiling, that's taking 2 and a half years to figure out.
so I was able to be a kook for 2 and a half years.  in fact, I am probably still a kook.  But nonetheless.  That's the part.  That's the magic.  That is the magic.  Being a kook is magic.  I hope I have explained this right.  I hope I don't sound like a complete idiot."

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Random / Re: Erik Antonson interview with Stacy Peralta

« Last post by sflinux on April 09, 2024, 09:34:30 PM »

Eric: "When did you know that skateboarding was going to take hold?  That could be it for you."
Stacy:
"Well, God it is so hard, well ok, let me throw it this way.
I've been asked so many times why skateboarding. 
Why skateboarding? Why not bowling?
Why not baseball?...
I really had to do some searching in my life
What was it that really got me about this?
And here is what I can tell you.
When I was about 7 years old,
I was skateboarding , I was 7 or 8 skateboarding, around the perimeter of a drug store, that was down the street from my house
And the drug store had this double-wide paved sidewalk around it .
it was perfectly groomed cement, super super smooth with no cracks in it.
I was skateboarding there one Saturday.
And it was a very busy day there was carts coming in and out of the lot.
there was people with baby carriages and market baskets going up and down this sidewalk that I am on.
And I am cruising go through all these people.
Now a skateboard is very different than a bike.
A bike has a seat, it has pedals for both feet, and it has a handlebar, so it is actually a pretty secure thing. 
You are sitting down when you are doing it.
And you have got something to put your hands on, you are holding on the handlebars, and you are steering with the handlebars.
Skateboarding, you are holding onto nothing.
You are standing on something that's moving.
And it's really insecure, it's an unbelievably insecure thing.
if you hit a pebble when you are riding a bicycle nothing happens because you have rubber tires.
When you hit a pebble or a crack in the sidewalk and you are riding clay wheels, which are the same thing as cement, you completely lock up and stop and get catapulted off your board.
So here I am going down this sidewalk around this drug store
and I am aware that at any minute I can be completely destroyed.
I can faceplant into a market basket.
I am weaving out of all these people.
I am looking for rocks and stuff like that.
And I experience this incredible form of stillness.
I am a little kid.
And suddenly amongst this, like mayhem, like I am in a little hurricane of action, I feel still inside...
I was not able to articulate that to myself when I was a kid.
But I know that every time I went back on that board, that is what I was searching for.
Because I remember times just being in a driveway, kick turning all day long, just kick turning.
And feeling that sense of stillness, that inner stillness.
And I got that when I was on a skateboard.
And I've gotten it ever since.
And I've gotten it on a surfboard as well.
That, that inner sense of somehow in the middle of all that crazy action,
you feel the stillness that's within you.
And that is what attracted me to these sports my entire life.
And what keeps attracting me to them is that, what you experience when you balance on something that's moving...
You can fall at any second and somehow, in that, you feel still.
It's a real seductive feeling, really amazing feeling."

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Garmin Instinct GPS watch speed readings?

« Last post by LaPerouseBay on April 09, 2024, 06:44:02 PM »

Here's one with the Instinct on my wrist. 

I had turned off the GPS on the Gopro8 to save battery.
I like to record full runs at 4k/30fps, the 8 could only do 43 minutes.

The Gopro 11 battery records 1:15. at 10Hz.

GPS is tough to add to anything.  Gopro eliminated it entirely in the 12. 
All the pro's are probably using separate sensors now.

The dropped 1Hz data points are easy to see on my simple graph line. 
Pretty amazing what those little watches can do. 

https://youtu.be/dRruxRkw5Y4?si=4nEs-MzuvJTIaJaV

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Random / Erik Antonson interview with Stacy Peralta

« Last post by sflinux on April 09, 2024, 06:36:30 PM »

Just when I thought the Progression Project couldn't get any better...
Whether your are a skater, surfer, SUPer, kiteboarder, foiler, do medication, there is something for everyone to appreciate in this interview. 
Loved it, gave me goose bumps. 
Highly recommend.
Enjoy...
https://www.podbean.com/site/EpisodeDownload/DIR1E1D5C376AN8Z
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-progression-project/id1206097336

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The Shape Shack / Re: Reseating leash plug

« Last post by Stew on April 09, 2024, 12:22:54 PM »

Thanks.

Definite food for thought.

I actually think that the balsa idea could end up being simpler - my concern with other ideas is making sure the hole is fully filled. I’m pondering cutting a round balsa plug which would essentially just make a massive leash plug.

The cracked deck could just be removed with balsa rather than trying to patch it.

Whichever method I go for, I am concerned about strength. Mostly because I don’t want it to pop out and cut short a session again. I had to borrow a board from friends for the last two sessions last week but the next time I’m away, I have no spare options so will be taking resin and fibreglass with me!!

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Foil SUP / Re: Supfoil beginner board size

« Last post by ninja tuna on April 08, 2024, 09:08:20 PM »

My .000002

This is my opinion if you are going to for sup foil surfing. Not winging.

Go bigger to learn.   I am pretty close to your size.  I learned on an 8 foot hyper nut foil board and had  blast.  It is a boat.  I got to where I could catch unbroken waves with it.  Then I moved down in size.  It seemed like there was a race to small foil sups because of "the feel" and "swing weight" and all that bullshit.  You have to learn how to foil on a waves first.  Catch and ride waves for a few months on a bigger beginner board with beginner foils before you even start listening to any of that.  And when you have ridden waves for a few months on the big one and buy a smaller one. Dont sell the big one right away.  There will be glassy days where you can start catching waves on the smaller one. And then there will be choppy days where you can go out, but just take the big one to have fun while you are still getting accustomed to the smaller one.  Once you get to the point where you are riding the smaller one in crappy conditions, then sell the bigger one. Unless you think you are going to have friends want to start, at which point you give them a taste with the bigger one and then sell it to them. 

I have a few friends that are currently learning to supfoil and were sold completely wrong boards by STUPID shops.  I told them return them or sell them because it wont be any fun.  Boards around 6'2 - 6' 6" , wide and floaty.  Problem is they are too short.  They cant paddle them or catch waves.  They try to justify their boards while not catching anything and making excuses.  I have an older 7'2 starboard hyper foil and when I let them use it, they are amazed.  They pretty much can almost start catching waves right away.

I would not go any smaller than 7 feet long.  If possible, go 7'6 or 8 feet. I would try to go used.  You have to hunt but these type do pop up.  Sometimes shops also are sitting on older larger boards like this that they have not been able to sell.  The 7'6 that sflinux recommended would be a great board. These boards will be bigger, slower and heavier.   But you will be able to stand, paddle, and catch waves.  If you want to catch waves and learn to sup foil in the waves.  This will be the best way.

I just realized you were older (more age experienced  )   Starboard made some great bigger foil boards.  Either the take off in in the 7'1 x 31 at 150L or there wingboard at 7' x 31" at 145 L

these paddle fine even though they say wingboard

https://isthmussailboards.com/2023-starboard-wingboard-lite-tech.html?sku=SBFB22WBLT70&gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIyLSMop20hQMVwDbUAR1LNwj8EAQYAyABEgLmr_D_BwE

2022 Starboard 8’0″ X 31.5″ Hyper Nut Foil 5 In 1
https://www.californiakiteboarding.com/product/2022-starboard-80-x-31-5-hyper-nut-foil-5-in-1/?attribute_pa_sup-construction=carbon

This cabrinha cross fly is great beginner board too
https://adventurekiteboarding.com/products/cabrinha-x-fly-hydrofoil-wing-board-76-153l?variant=44500544913712&srsltid=AfmBOopNCdy0ThOQWb4f9ht4awun-ooxbhuTotyJAEaortsYE1ysOu55vD4

Here is the hyper foil that I let beginners use
https://www.epic-boardsports.com/2021-starboard-72x30-hyper-foil-starlite-v2.html

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Foil SUP / Re: Supfoil beginner board size

« Last post by sflinux on April 08, 2024, 06:49:14 PM »

What was the volume of your 6'6" x 30"?
e.x.. 6'6" x 30" @ 69L: https://www.totalsup.com/product/starboard-hyper-foil-starlite-6-6-x-30/
e.x. 6'6" x 30" @ 135L: https://stingerfoils.com/product/66-wing-foil-board-135l/
Blue Planet has a 7'6" x 30.5" @ 144L Easy Foiler which is in the "beginner" category at your weight: Maybe reach out to the shop and they can guide you between the 7'6" and 6'11" x 29.5" @ 128L (intermediate) based on your skill level.  https://www.blueplanetsurf.com/76-x-305-x-144l-easy-foiler-2020.html
https://youtu.be/tluw3l37iek?si=-F9dIzL-fYVPjJn4

What kind of conditions are you taking it out in?  (i.e. Flat water, wind swell, surf, etc)
Would you also be using with a hand wing?
Would you using it for downwind?  "Downwind SUP foiling is not easy" https://youtu.be/I3Kn0bOoQiQ?si=YhnY_QWDfVURHbWy
Which foil were you using?  Projected surface area?  Wing span?  Aspect ratio?
How long was your mast?

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Foil SUP / Re: Supfoil beginner board size

« Last post by Caribsurf on April 08, 2024, 05:46:20 AM »

Kind of in the same situation riding a 5’10” x 28 130 liter when I tried sup foiling. Wasn’t thrilled...  I wing on a smaller 90 liter board.  I do see a lot of Sup foilers going longer and narrower with their boards so I am guessing there is an advantage. Plenty of YouTube videos. Check out some of downwinder foil boards.   

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Gear Talk / Re: JL Super Frank fin advise

« Last post by firesurf on April 08, 2024, 03:35:58 AM »

Good info, that really helps…
Will be surfing the 8’ SF in mostly small surf and beachbreak so will pick up a good quad set.
For the 8.10 Destroyer MP will mostly likely try the Quobbas.  Have had a lot of fun with her already… If I could swap for a 8.5  Destroyer might be even better:)