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Gear Talk / Re: Evolve Big Deal vs. Surftec Generator
« on: July 16, 2018, 04:52:55 AM »
I have the 10'6" Generator and I like it a lot. It's about 6 years old, has held up well and is in really good shape. After you consider what Creek said, it does surf pretty good. If I was selling it I don't think I'd ask for or expect to get $800- that seems a bit high to me. I have no experience with the Evolve but looking at its construction, it looks like a good quality board. Either way, the reason I'm posting is neither board is the best choice for paddling with a big dog. Both have a slippery bamboo deck that dogs typically don't do well on. You'll have to add some sort of (usually) ugly traction for the dog. Good luck.

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SUP General / Re: Is the SUP industry tanking?
« on: July 12, 2018, 06:43:56 PM »
What did you expect?  Outrageous prices, dog accessories, yoga, silly hats/glove/shirt/footwear combos, hyper specific boards, poor conditions, inland sup, over use of the word aloha, overrated self proclaimed experts.  All factors that turned me off to the whole thing.  I still have a board and I still quietly shred waves but I will never buy another board.
This x 10

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SUP General / Re: cheapo boards flooding the market
« on: July 10, 2018, 04:50:23 AM »
Ahhh bummer!  And thanks for alerting me to this predicament.   I have 3 boards for sale and no bites.   Here in the SF bay area the dominant add is for Mike Doyle $600 sups, no idea who/where/what these boards are.

Solutions:  Maybe put a low price in the title,  and then start the description with a plea to buy a board that works made by a family run waterman shop?   Explain that you had to lead with a low price in response to the cheap flooding of questionable boards?   A PSA to save folks from being swindled?

Thoughts?

Then put the actual higher price in the ad? lol good luck with that.

If folks are buying SUP boards as a financial investment they are very confused about economics.

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NorthEast / Re: Anybody hit 1st Beach today?
« on: June 30, 2018, 03:20:56 AM »
Someone was paddling along NTB this morning at 6:18 and made Kelly Bates very happy on her Channel 10 weather report.

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SUP Safety / Re: SUP Paddle Handle in Face
« on: June 28, 2018, 03:56:02 AM »
Bummer, sorry about that. You mentioned you might have "missed the grab" when switching sides. You should not have to "go find" and grab the tee grip during a side switch for exactly this reason- missing the grab. Here is the proper way to switch sides so that you don't miss the grab doing a side change-

1. Let go of the tee grip with the top hand
2. That hand then grabs the shaft BELOW the low hand.
3. The low hand stays wrapped around the shaft and slides up the shaft to the tee grip. You never lose contact with the shaft while the low hand goes directly to the tee grip.

Hope that helps.

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SUP General / Re: Is foiling even related to SUP?
« on: June 19, 2018, 07:25:13 PM »
Yeah, I get foiling is very popular right now, but I'm waiting for the conversations to get back to standup paddling. I don't care that other people foil it's just that it doesn't interest me.

My worry about foiling is that it will take SUP more and more into the high end. I still think we need to remember that for SUP to stay popular, beginners need to keep trying it.
Not sure I'd call it "very popular". It's a niche within a niche within a niche. I'd guess less than 1% of all SUP owners/paddlers have even heard of it much less tried it. It just so happens that a few people who regularly visit this site are really into it right now, they're posting all about so it LOOKS like a bigger thing than it really is. I have no plans to ever try it but it looks interesting and probably fun when you get the hang of it, I'm just not sure it is very closely related to SUP.

Less that 1 percent?  That's a stretch in my opinion.  Yes as far as SUP board owners who have actually tired it and likely even who are interested in trying it.  But as far as hearing of it?  I don't know a single board owner who's never at least heard of it but maybe I'm in a bubble.

I think even surf SUP is a tiny fraction of SUP overall. This is what I see, maybe things are different elsewhere- I teach for a kayak/SUP retailer/school. We offer ACA SUP instruction for beginner lessons as well as for surf. We teach about 100 beginner flatwater students every season. We rent to several hundred more (flatwater). While we have offered SUP surf lessons for the last 4 years we have never has a single person sign up. Not one. ALL of the SUP boards we sell are either general flatwater (most) or race (few). If you surf then you see folks surfing. If you foil then you see folks foiling. It's easy to think it is more common than it really is but in either case it probably is a small bubble compared to the hidden masses.

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SUP General / Re: Kai Lenny riding the new SIC Maui RS!!!
« on: June 19, 2018, 02:32:56 PM »
Looks like he found a new home.

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SUP General / Re: Is foiling even related to SUP?
« on: June 19, 2018, 07:01:21 AM »
Yeah, I get foiling is very popular right now, but I'm waiting for the conversations to get back to standup paddling. I don't care that other people foil it's just that it doesn't interest me.

My worry about foiling is that it will take SUP more and more into the high end. I still think we need to remember that for SUP to stay popular, beginners need to keep trying it.
Not sure I'd call it "very popular". It's a niche within a niche within a niche. I'd guess less than 1% of all SUP owners/paddlers have even heard of it much less tried it. It just so happens that a few people who regularly visit this site are really into it right now, they're posting all about so it LOOKS like a bigger thing than it really is. I have no plans to ever try it but it looks interesting and probably fun when you get the hang of it, I'm just not sure it is very closely related to SUP.

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where are you located?

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Random / Re: Why Laird Hamilton is still making waves...
« on: June 16, 2018, 03:41:42 PM »
The benefit to your feet from going barefoot (or near barefoot) isn't from any improvement to proprioception, it's from rebuilding the structural integrity of your feet.

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SUP General / Re: Is foiling even related to SUP?
« on: June 16, 2018, 03:25:36 PM »
Yes, dailybread (kaiser1) i believe started a post at surfermag.com.
OMG! They will KILL him! Foiling ain't gonna fly over there. No way

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SUP General / Re: Is foiling even related to SUP?
« on: June 16, 2018, 03:03:14 PM »
Foiling is related to SUP as much as it is to prone surfing, tow-in surfing, wind surfing, kite surfing, and even sailing.
Attach a foil to any of those water crafts, and they instantly become related, you could even call it a marriage.
But wait, then there's this!

Do you think the prone surf forums have a page for prone foil surfing?

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SUP General / Re: Is foiling even related to SUP?
« on: June 16, 2018, 03:01:51 PM »
If you are standing up on a board while paddling, aren't you stand up paddling?
I guess so, but it just seems like some invisible line has been crossed and you're not SUPping once you get up on the foil, It LOOKS different

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SUP General / Is foiling even related to SUP?
« on: June 16, 2018, 09:07:34 AM »
Is it me or is foiling even related to standup paddling? I don't even know what it is but it doesn't much look like stand up paddling to me. Does it even belong on this website at all? Or should there be a new one created just for foiling? Discuss. I'll be here with my asbestos suit on.

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Random / Re: Why Laird Hamilton is still making waves...
« on: June 14, 2018, 04:54:58 PM »
There are at least three very different systems involved in what we call "balance". They are integrated to produce the phenomena we call "balance" but they are very different things. One can probably not be changed but the other two most certainly can.
1. First is the sensory input system. The brain needs information about what is happening to the body.
2. Next is the brain processing that input and deciding what to do about it. And finally...
3. The skeletal-muscular system actually carrying out whatever action the brain decided on.

When it comes to the first step- sensory input- "proprioceptors" are just one of at least three different input systems along with vision and inner ear. Proprioceptors are different than "proprioception" as defined in the article. Proprioceptors are nerve endings in tendons and muscles that send stress information to the brain. They are either stimulated (and send a signal) or they are not. I am with the camp here that you cannot train to improve the function of the sensory input system. Therefore, wearing boots to mask nerve endings in the feet (different from the proprioceptors but similar result- signal information sent to the brain) is not going to improve their function when the boots are removed. In fact, I would argue that any time spent in boots (inaccurate input) is valuable time lost to training the brain to react to accurate sensory input. (Along with proprioceptors you also receive information about position and movement from vision and the inner ear vestibular organs.) Arguing that masking sensory input will help improve that system is the same as saying vision can be improved by wearing a mask or hearing can be improved by wearing ear plugs. It doesn't work that way. Luckily though you can train to improve the two other parts of the balance system.

What "balance training" refers to are the other two pieces of the "balance" trifecta. First is the brain's processing of all the sensory input it receives. The quicker it makes sense of the input the quicker it can enact a reaction plan. That's where repetitive practice comes in, the more often you receive specific sensory input the quicker the brain recognizes what it means and the quicker it can do something effective about it. As an example, think of when you first started SUSing. I remember when I first started, incoming swell hitting my tail from behind would always throw me backwards off the board. It was a completely new feeling and I didn't know what to do about it. After about 20 or 30 times of falling over backwards my brain had figured out what that feeling was and knew what to do about it. It's not the speed that the signal gets to your brain, that is fixed by biochemistry, it's how long does my brain take to recognize and understand what those signals mean.

Finally, what are you going to do about it? After your brain has recognized what is happening to the body and has decided on a plan to change the future, it is up to your muscles to actually pull it off. Are they strong enough to offset the momentum of your falling body? That's why basic strength training is so important to balance; it really is all you have to change the future position of your body.


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