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Take a look at the future :

https://www.instagram.com/p/CR3IzRUKHvv/

Advanced, long foil boxes.
Added volume at the front for paddling.

This thing goes out in 7 knt of wind. (6,5m slick).
https://www.instagram.com/p/CST5z13IkL8/

I'm not so sure about the simple design, and straight tails as they are definitely horrible for surfing, tight turns etc .



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Foil SUP / Re: Next wing after Maliko 200 - Progression
« on: June 14, 2021, 09:28:17 PM »
Hi,
I have been riding the gl240 and NL160. Both for winging and sup. I only use the 6.5" tail with a shopped flat tail to 15".
After testing this setup, I sold the longer tail. Cutting the tail improved my turns and reduced damage on wings and legs. I don't really understand why the companies keep using these sharp tails, when the different in speed is just 1 or 2 knots.
My only advice, is check warranty conditions when buying big wings; the mast tends to brittle when overload.

PA, how much do you weigh?

I'm 82 kg. The GL240 works for me until 1 to 1,5 meters waves. Over that the NL160 is a must have. I'm using the NL160 for winging, from 12knt; and it can handle waves up to 2-3 meters ok.
-thanks red

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Foil SUP / Re: Next wing after Maliko 200 - Progression
« on: June 13, 2021, 09:41:23 PM »
Hi,
I have been riding the gl240 and NL160. Both for winging and sup. I only use the 6.5" tail with a shopped flat tail to 15".
After testing this setup, I sold the longer tail. Cutting the tail improved my turns and reduced damage on wings and legs. I don't really understand why the companies keep using these sharp tails, when the different in speed is just 1 or 2 knots.
My only advice, is check warranty conditions when buying big wings; the mast tends to brittle when overload.

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I can go with a gl240 and a duotone echo 7m in very light conditions. 8 to 10 knt depending on the board.
On a 4,8 (90 litres I need 10 knots).
On a kalama 125 litres, I can go easily in 8 knots (maybe less), or as soon as there is some air moving.

https://youtu.be/eHRrbamd86s

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Very interesting - I'm seeing the difference of opinion here may come down to which foil we're riding and what our weight is.  On an early lift foil that can get out of the water at slow speeds, we aren't thinking about planing before getting out of the water.  But on some of the thinner high aspect foils, we need more speed to get it going and the longer waterline flat bottom will plane up easier.

Hi,
Yes that's a factor. Another is getting use to it, if are used to find limit of what the board can lift up, you are probably going to miss it.
I'm riding the gofoil GL240 in light winds.

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I have been riding different boards, including Kalama's.
My conclusion is that Kalama's light (not sharp) tail bevel are the best by far.
This allow you to increase the angle of the front wing just enough, and even stay there for a second accumulating lift.
Same experience with Fone's tail bevels, that are also not very pronounced.
Straight tails are harder to pump.

I think it really matters what kind of foil you are on.  Our wing boards are designed to pop up on the foil before you reach planing speed- with tail bevel/ rocker that allow you to pump up on foil easily.  A flatter planing shape will accelerate and reach planing speed easier but also makes it harder to increase angle of attack to pop up on foil earlier.  This planing start works better for small, thin, high aspect foils that need more speed to create enough lift and will stall at high angles of attack.   The foils most of us use can lift off well before reaching planing speed though.  I prefer having a board that allows you to pop up on foil but can also see the merits of an early planing shape for high aspect foils.

I believe that a tail with a an angle around 20-30 is sufficient to increase the angle of attack, and will help you to prevent the foil stall you mention.
I had f-ones and Kalama with this light bevel/rocker and they are the ones going up easier and earlier. To much bevel is trickier as you can easily pass right angle. K
My Kalama goes out of the water in 6 knt, so easy compare with other small lighter boards.
At least, this is my theory Robert; I'm going to test this in my new downwind board.
Perhaps, you should bring Mr Kalama to the show; he can explain why the tail rocker seems to be a constan in all his experiments.

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No windows, they are useless. Why have a limited vision when you can just lift the wing and see everything around?

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I have been riding different boards, including Kalama's.
My conclusion is that Kalama's light (not sharp) tail bevel are the best by far.
This allow you to increase the angle of the front wing just enough, and even stay there for a second accumulating lift.
Same experience with Fone's tail bevels, that are also not very pronounced.
Straight tails are harder to pump.


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I haven't tried the Slick in waves, but Dan Hall has one and he's been ripping up Ka'a with it. I'll ask how he likes it in the surf.

What on earth did you use that had detectable weight? Mine's a bit heavy because of the Duotone harness line, but my boom itself weighs 93 grams. I could get it down below 80g if I wasn't too lazy to trim it to the length I need.

I used a piece of paddle, vellcros and some tape to keep the straps in place. ;). (perhaps to much tape, is always my problem).
Perhaps you should make this your version commercial, Armstrong is selling a piece of carbon and 2 velcro for 100.

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Hi Pono,
Your input is always appreciated. I tried a similar version a while ago on the slinging V2, and the improved feeling was not worthy the extra weight.
Perhaps is related to the soft handles included in the V2.
The connection with the wing in my echo's feels a million times better.
How are these slicks behaving in the waves?

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To all brands, please do a boom version NOW!
There is no preference discussion anymore.
Control, and wing feeling it's a lot better.
The weight issue, seems to be under control with these new slicks.
Installing a fake boom; it's just not the same, in terms of control and feeling the wing if you use the handles to attached the fake boom. I have not seen a decent fake boom with a solid direct connection to the struct that cannot be twist or rotate inside.


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Foil SUP / Re: SUP surf foil board design?
« on: May 06, 2021, 10:31:55 PM »
Hi,
I have the same kalama, it's just too heavy.
My path has been, heavy board- then bigger foil to compensate- broken mast in waves- then order a new 5.9 by 24 (waiting for it).
Why 5.9? it needs to fit in the car  :D :)

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Let's see how reliable is their supply chain. So far, seems like a scam; no stock on LOLs.  :'(

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Foil SUP / Re: Downwind board size and shape. Using a paddle.
« on: April 26, 2021, 12:38:04 PM »

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Foil SUP / Re: Downwind board size and shape. Using a paddle.
« on: April 22, 2021, 09:42:33 PM »
Hi Jacko,
Thanks for the information. I have a Kalama 6,0 by 29,5, it's a good board but just too wide. I always ride with straps, which helps to position yourself in the right spot.
May I ask you two questions:
What is the weight of these boards?
What is your recommended wide for an intermediate-advance rider?
Regards

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