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It would be a REAL TRAGEDY if Duotone doesn't fix the pygmy sized front grab handle. That this is so stupidly small. It's pretty much a no grab with winter neoprene gloves and man sized hands. And forget behind the back wing transfer tricks.

Echo always behaves better “luffed” with one hand at the front of the boom rather than on the front handle, but I agree that the front handle is too small. Oh, and don’t worry about behind-the-back wing transfer tricks. The rank and file here will debate detailed wing construction/performance details ad nauseam without a single mention of attempting or working on behind-the-back transfers :o

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Classifieds / Tracer Skymount action cam wing mount
« on: December 30, 2020, 06:00:17 AM »
$55 includes shipping to mainland US.  Brand new, never used.   

Action cam mount for leading edge of a wing-a-ding or kite. I bought this in the spring and never even opened to box. Plenty of YouTube videos showing this mount in action. 

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One of our local riders has a quiver of Airush wings and he seems happy with them, though I’m pretty sure his largest size is a 6m.

Every time I read a thread like this I keep thinking that winging is waaaay more funner at 167# than it would have been at my old “don’t want to go there again” 197#. For kiteboarding/kitefoiling the extra 30# didn’t extract much of a penalty since you could painlessly go up in kite size and also create a ton of power from working the kite. Seems like we don’t have the same luxury with winging. At 6’ my 6m Echo is as big as I’d ever want to go, and I actually don’t use it that much at all.

Lose weight and gain a shit load of winging performance without the added expense of finding that elusive solve-everything wing for lighter winds! :o

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Wing Foil Videos
« on: December 18, 2020, 12:17:47 AM »
what I just saw in this video. I’ll call a drag behind 360.

https://youtu.be/nTb2xWLlIWs :-[

That looks really sweet.  He sets it down back there and then carves around it.  I am trying that.  Think of that on a swell.

He just needs more of a corkscrew trajectory to keep it up on foil at the end. (ObxDave terms; corkscrew upwind turn, Dwight 360, Drag behind 360 :o)

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Wing Foil Videos
« on: December 17, 2020, 03:52:58 AM »
So a backwinded 360, and what I labeled the Dwight 360, and now what I just saw in this video.

so where can I find the Dwight 360 :)

It’s just a name I gave to Dwight’s version of 360. It’s a jibe from heelside where instead of riding out toeside at the 180 deg mark as you would in a common jibe, you continue right into a tack to complete the 360. The wing is overhead the whole time and requires some extra hand switching done quickly enough to keep up with the turn and not come off foil.  A backwinded 360 involves no hand switching at all but I guess some people find it more difficult. Wing position, balance and timing can be tricky on the backwinded version.

This wing release and drag behind you version in this latest vid looks pretty cool and easy for us old spastic types, but the guy in video wasn’t keeping up quite enough speed to finish on foil. Who knows, maybe it’s harder than I think. I’ve done “Dwight” 360’s and backwinded 360’s (attached vid), but not this drag behind version. Just different variations of the same turn. I wouldn’t even have known it’s possible without accidentally having the vid show up on my feed!

 https://youtu.be/nQHfu63IzpU

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Wing Foil Videos
« on: December 16, 2020, 01:49:55 PM »
So a backwinded 360, and what I labeled the Dwight 360, and now what I just saw in this video. I’ll call a drag behind 360. Actually looks even easier than the Dwight 360 and way easier than the backwinded 360., but who knows.  Haven’t tried it yet, but next on the list. Way more interested in this stuff than the babbling on about gear :P

https://youtu.be/nTb2xWLlIWs :-[

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Which Garmin 360 cam are you using? One R, One X, or One X2? Are you using a boom extension for your 360?

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What's keeping you from blowing over? Need to visualize the feeling as I start.

Toeside is for CrackHeads!

I couldn't picture it either.  You basically have to jibe from your strong side (for me its goofy) and then just don't move your feet.  This was the only way I could understand mentally OR physically how to pull it off.  Then your like "OK this feels terrible but I get how it works."  Then if your lucky you can jibe again.  And you think "OK I see how this may be advantageous . . . . but it is still for CrackHeads."

You make it sound like some horrific, painful, completely unnatural riding position. Really....care to share any “Crackhead stance” video

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Ensis Wings
« on: November 25, 2020, 07:33:21 PM »
I’ve pretty much ridden two wings (Duotone V1 and Echo), two foils (Gong Pro XL and Gong Veloce XL), and two boards (Blue Planet 5’8” Carver and FSM 5’1” 90L)  from day one, minus a quick test of handles (Naish S25) and Moses foils (1100 and 790). That’s it for 14 months.

A tip of the hat to the gear testers. Man that must get pricey :).  Then again I just bought a travel trailer to spend a chunk of my retirement roaming around to different US  coastal sailing spots. It’s all good!

(Other than less than perfect one handed luffing stability, I’ve never had an issue with the Echo dihedral stability in general. Rolls nice and fast for those challenging upwind transitions)

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Classifieds / Re: Moses W1100 front wing & Moses 450 stabilizer
« on: November 25, 2020, 06:59:04 PM »
W1100 sold.

S450 still available

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I’ve only ridden the 1100 with the 450 and 483. The 450 might have been a wee bit more carvy and loose but neither made that huge wing as carvy as I would have liked. For me the 1100 always requires more of a flat pivot turn if you want to turn aggressively with it. I doubt a 421 is gonna loosen that wing up a huge amount.

Gunnar has way more experience with the 1100. These were his direct comments

421 is the fastest
450 is the best surf stabilizer and best low end
483 is the best for tricks (I assume that means longest glide)

I didn’t get the impression from him that these were very large differences. Also, a perspective of downwind/surf/all-jibes/lots-of-pumping is way different than one with lot’s of upwind transitions or combo transitions


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I'm going to pick up in the thread about wind window as I have a weird thing to ask. To stay upwind you keep your wing back towards the tail, right? Like you hold more back that forward. If you move the wing to the nose of the board, you head downwind. I gotta watch that YouTube video again because I swear he holds the wing out in front of him and I don't get that.

Someone needs to do videos for people who never wind surfed or kited. There's a lot of assumptions out there being made. If I see one more "how to Wingsurf" video that says, "you probably kited or windsurfed" I'm screaming. lol Be pedantic, we surfers and paddlers don't know. And we are the growth for you guys.

I thought about your upwind learning question. In the gazillion years I’ve been muckin around with water wind sports, I really learned everything about efficient sailing orientations on a good ole sailing dinghy long before any of these new fangled wind sports showed up. This might sound like a step backwards but learning to sail a Laser or 420 (or even a lowly Sunfish, or in my case racing Hobie 16’s in a one design fleet) teaches you more about efficient points of sail than any of these newer sports.  For the few years I worked as a windsurf and kiteboard instructor, teaching people how to effectively ride upwind by saying “do this and this” is next to impossible. You can say it and demonstrate it, but it won’t just click. On a two person dinghy you can actually teach it and the people your teaching can start to “feel” it, as hokey as that sounds

If you don’t want to bother learning to sail a dinghy (I’d certainly understand that) then as others have said, be content to settle for downwind riding, and you’ll slowly get an intuitive feel for how to work with the wind. Doesn’t matter whether it’s windsurfing, kiteboarding, kitefoiling, wing foiling, or a 40’ cruiser, my brain treats it the same as those little dinghy’s I grew up with, “spot the gust, build some speed, sheet er in and point er up, but don’t pinch too high and don’t over sheet😀”

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So I wanted to try something sorta new and remember Dwight posting a vid of his version of a 360. I’d guess you’d call it a jibe going right into a tack giving the 360 effect. I figured it would be fun (and not quite as challenging as the backwinded 360). Anyway had fun trying some today. They are a lot easier than a backwinded 360, especially when you’re seriously powered up. I guess if you delay the tack portion by a few seconds it would just be called a jibe followed by a tack ::).

Speaking of tacks and 360’s, pretty much all my upwind transitions follow a corkscrew pattern’; wide carve turn to start, followed by flatter pivot turn to finish. An early regrab on the wing helps pull the board around the last bit of the turn, but for backwinded 360’s and toe-to-heelside tacks I really need to finish the board flat turn with legs driving it. It’s hard on the knees!

https://youtu.be/nQHfu63IzpU




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Classifieds / Re: Gong Pro XL hydrofoil full setup
« on: November 13, 2020, 08:26:04 AM »
Sold.  Thanks for all the interest :)

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Classifieds / Re: Gong Pro XL hydrofoil full setup
« on: November 08, 2020, 06:23:45 AM »
Wow, sorry I haven’t responded! I kept waiting to see a message alert or email alert and did not see either. It’s still sitting in my garage right now.  Jim (Wetstuff), just sent you a PM.  Dave

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