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Alula is light and strong, but not particularly durable. I've seen a few Allula wings that appear to be delaminating. I don't know if that's the right word for what is going on, but it doesn't look good. The newer fabrics have a lot of promise but designers don't seem to be able to get the best out of them yet. I bought a new 4.5 F-One V3 when my V2 F-one disappeared. The new wing has some nice design features and lots of high-tech fabrics. But the center of effort is far forward that the wing can barely be depowered. I might push through and learn to use it, but I found my V2 4.5 and I'm back to using that so it isn't getting much of a chance.

The delam issue did happen with some of the original Aluula wings. I haven't heard as many issues with the newer ones. The biggest thing with aluula is that they cannot be packed up wet. That's a disaster for them. However, if properly dried and repacked they seem to be incredibly long lasting from all reports that I've heard. I just bought the 3m and 4m Ocean Rodeo Glide AA so I'll keep detailed wear notes on them and report back in a year!

I tried the small v3 strikes. 2m and 3m. The 2m was okay, needs a minimum of 35 knots to ride but is nice at that speed. The 3m though, least favorite wing I've tried. Incredibly twitchy with a narrow wind range.

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Do what you gotta do to stay mobile!

I dedicated all my efforts to getting the best turns out of my foil. Never messed with tacks, jumps, or other wing tricks. I gybe, switch feet, and make the best turns possible all day long. Wave rider at heart.

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I wouldn't trust any material vs a foil.

However:

The superfabrics are all harder to cut and most of them don't propagate tears/cuts so you can finish your session before doing the repair with no fear of the sail ripping to shreds.

Ocean Rodeo says the new Glide AA is extremely tear resistant for both leading edge and canopy I believe.

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Gear Talk / Re: surf SUP volume
« on: March 22, 2024, 01:50:39 PM »
I think everyones objective of what and how they want to ride is a little different and I've found that using as many numbers/data points as possible really helps me to get some basic evaluations on boards. I would agree with your assessment of shorter but same volume assessment, something has to get fatter somewhere...

I learned on a Starboard Blend Element, 9'8"x30" 147l

Next picked up a Quatro Carve Pro 8'2"x29" 120l. While I LOVED this board on perfect glassy days I found that I disliked feeling unsure about which board to grab. I just want a single board and when it was rough out I couldn't manage this board in wind and chop due to the shape change.

Next was my Kalama, which is my current, 9'2"x30" 126l which helped me realize that while all my friends are chasing shorter boards, that's not what I desire. I want to hog ALL the waves. I want to catch everything from knee high to slightly overhead. This shape does it for me.

I demo'd a bunch of boards since I got the Kalama, including the smaller kalama, and the NSP DC Super X caught my attention on a demo day. Domed deck and 28" wide made for a very fun experience on the wave. I also had less issue balancing on it than expected. However, I've never actually seen it for sale anywhere. It's always sold out.

So, now I'm looking at the Sunova Casey Revolution. 9'x28" 115l. Domed deck and apparently aggressively shaped rails since they built this board off of an actual surf longboard. I'm a bit concerned about the stability on it since I have heard it floats a bit different with the narrow rails and I can't get a demo for it. However, I think I'll splurge on it with fingers crossed that it all works out.

You're right, first world problems!

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Gear Talk / Re: surf SUP volume
« on: March 21, 2024, 07:30:35 PM »
Your guild factor will drop from 1.55 to 1.34 which is nice for getting the rail into the wave. Your board aspect ratio will drop from 3.75 to 3.68 meaning a minor decrease in paddling efficiency for the shape.

In my experience the volume matters less than the shape changes for stability (within reason). Your volume reduction and length/width reduction should give you less efficient paddling and wave catching but you will enjoy the on wave feel since it's the same shape. I'd say that since you are keeping the same shape, just slightly shrunken, you're looking at a really good next step in your progression.


In contrast to what I'm about to experience:
I'm on a 9'2"x30"126l which is a 1.43 guild factor. My new board is planned to be the same shape, but 9'x28" and 115l which is a 1.31 guild factor for better on wave performance. My aspect ratio will increase from 3.67 to 3.86 meaning slightly better paddling efficiency for the shape. I expect to have excellent on wave performance but will be sacrificing some stability by going 2 inches narrower.

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Classifieds / Assorted foils, wings and boards for sale.
« on: February 25, 2024, 02:14:27 PM »
Clearing out all of my extras. Let me know if you have questions or need pictures. All my gear is located in the Portland/Columbia River Gorge area. Buyer pays shipping and transaction fees.

Foils:
Cloud IX fs850 - used good condition $500
Cloud IX fs1000 - used excellent condition $525
Cloud IX 66cm high mod carbon mast - Like new $450
I have extra fuses and stabs if you need them too, otherwise I'll just keep them for my other Cloud IX gear.

Wings:
Strike v3 3m - New: flown once for demo. $700
Ocean Rodeo Glide Aluula 3m - Excellent condition. One small canopy poke professionally repaired by airtime. $600


Boards:
Freedom Fusion 4'9"x19.9" 38.1l - New $500
Kalama e3 prone/dw 5'3"x22" 83l - 35 sessions. Refinished $600 with bag.

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Hmm, I haven't had that issue yet? If I have enough wind to get onto foil I usually don't have much of a problem staying up. Is your wind thready/patchy? Even today I was well under 10 knots with a 4.2m but a big old 1780 and it was a challenge to get up, but once I was up I was cruising.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3q5CjnP3P4/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

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85l Sunova Carver: Gorge Review

*This is a long post.

Disclaimer: I was not paid or asked to write this review. I’m a waterman who enjoys writing, crunching numbers, learning from my data analysis, and sharing knowledge with others. Hopefully you find this write up as useful to your progression as I have to mine.   

I’ve wrapped up my initial thoughts and experiences on the Sunova Carver and am sharing the info for anyone wanting to pull the trigger before the upcoming season.

Pre-review reminder: In my opinion, the most important thing you can to do progress your riding is to learn and identify what kind of rider you are, and want to be. Every foil, wing, and board is going to enhance, or hinder, certain aspects of various rider’s styles. Once you know what your style and preferred direction is, equipment data and reviews become much more valuable to you.

Rider skill and style:
I consider myself an intermediate with advanced skills in my stylistic pursuit. After approximately 200 days of wing foiling I still have little to no interest in learning wing tricks or jumping. I prefer fast rail to rail surfing enhanced by my wing or casual/stylish/flowy riding when flagged out riding swell. I learned the basics of DW SUP and further identified that I prefer to foil “down the line” like a surfer on a wave (which is commonly across the wind here), more than I like going straight downwind and surfing back and forth on swell.

Why I bought this board:
I have a very strong preference for riding small wings and foils. I wanted a board that was going to help me ride winds lulling below 10 knots with a wing no larger than my 4.2m and foils smaller than my 1000. At the time of purchase I needed my 1150 in order to ride winds that light. At the extreme high end, I wanted a board that was fast on the water to allow for tiny foils and 2m wings to be used in winds in 40-60 knots. My previous board really needed an 850cm foil underneath, even in the most extreme winds.

Foils and wings used were all Cloud IX fs range unless otherwise noted. I have an 8.5 aspect ratio on all my foils except the fs900 which is 10.1.

The Basics:
Sunova does a good job of giving info on shape, design, dims, goal, intended rider, all of that great stuff on their website. I highly recommend you look there for all of your basic information on this board.
https://sunovasurfboards.com/en/legends/casey/carver

Testing Data:
Board information:
85l Sunova Carver. 5’10”x20” and 4.89kg. No footstrap inserts, vapor construction, both of which are free alterations. (standard construction and footstraps bring expected weight to 6kg).
Note on alterations: Sunova will customize nearly anything you want on their boards for what I consider to be very reasonable prices.

Previously, I came from owning four consecutive Kalama boards:
5’10”x28.875” 123l e3
4’8”x26” 83l e3
8’x21” 111l Barracuda
5’3”x22” 83l e3
I also did quick single ride demos on approximately 10 other boards in the last year ranging from 40-80l.

Rider weight: 99kgs with a soaked winter wetsuit and impact vest on. 82kgs in summer with boardshorts (untested at the lighter weight).

BAR+GF= 4.36

Total time spent in flight on the Carver for this review: 12.5 hours

Wind and water notes: It’s cold in the Gorge right now. Water temps are around 39 degrees and air temps are usually in the 40’s when I’m riding. Winds have a tendency to be gusty this time of year (20 knot range). I tested a mix of extreme east and mild west winds.

Lightest lulls: 6 knots west wind, east current with my 1000, Catalyst, 76cm mast, and 4.2m SLE.
Lightest average wind speed: 10 knots west wind, east current with my 1000, Catalyst, 76cm mast, and 4.2m SLE.

Strongest gust: 43 knots east wind, east current with 900, Catalyst, 76cm mast, and 2.5m OR Glide A wing.
Strongest average wind speed: 35 knots east wind, east current with 900, Catalyst, 76cm mast, and 2.5m OR Glide A wing.

Foils tested: 700, 850, 900, 1000, 1150. All with Catalyst stab. 66cm and 76cm masts were used.

Wings tested: 4.2m and 3.5m Cloud IX plus 3m and 2.5m Ocean Rodeo Glide A.

Foil selection leading up to Carver purchase: Almost 100% use of my 850 for 20 straight sessions leading up to the my first on the Carver.
 
Foil selection since acquiring the Carver: 850, 700, 700, 700, 700, 1150, 1000, 900, 900, 900 (900 is a new 10.1 AR vs the 8.5 of others and takes off in between the 700 and 850).

Narrative:
Getting new equipment in the middle of the winter is always a little nerve racking. We have extreme winds and painfully cold temps so changing your kit when the weather isn’t all fun in the sun can be stressful. However, my first day out I rigged pretty aggressively and had light winds for my first rides. I was delighted to be riding my 850 with a 4.2m wing in 13 knots of west wind with lulls down to 9 knots in swirling storm winds and rain (this normally required my 1150). My second day was just as light, and I was able to ride my 700.

On those first days I immediately I noticed that while the board is undeniably quick on the water, the most impressive thing was its release. There is something about the hull shape that feels incredibly “not sticky.” Better than any hull I’ve personally ridden. In light wind where my last board would occasionally grab and throw me over the nose when trying to pump onto foil, the Carver keeps driving forward and releasing water when I pump (is this because of the “flat to flipped nose” rocker?) Most excitingly, it’s snappier in the air than my 5’3”x22” 83l Kalama e3 at 5.23kg. This board LOVES to carve rail to rail, better than any I’ve ever experienced. I expect this is due to a combination of being .34kg lighter, 2” narrower, and having a more pointed/lower profile nose. Plus, despite being 7” longer in total length, the Carver only shows 2.5” more nose in front of the mast. My mast is positioned just barely in front of center in the box. I could theoretically try to nudge it forward to decrease this even more. All of this adds up to a sporty comparison to my last board. Match all of that with the fact that it activates a smaller foil with the same effort and wind and you can see the performance benefits are piling up.

I continued to click through more sessions on the Carver in various conditions. Light winds to heavy with foils from 700-1150. With each session the Carver had me consistently out on wings that were up to 2 full sizes smaller than others on the water as well as foils as much as 500cm smaller than other riders out with me.

I very quickly found myself gravitating to my two foils with the highest takeoff requirements (700 and 900) and am pleased with the way this board performs when using both of them. The vapor Carver has enough weight that you still feel a natural drive and flow to your riding when turning rail to rail, top to bottom, on swell of all sizes. I really like this. Feeling the board push back and return to my feet with just enough pressure to ensure me it’s still along for the ride and ready for the next turn is confidence inspiring. The narrow design of the board keeps all of its weight well balanced underfoot despite plenty of big frontside and backside tip breaches at wind speeds from 10-40 knots. Coming from SUP surfing I’m comfortable moving my feet on the board while in flight and the Carver welcomes this without issue. Touchdowns are practically inconsequential as the shape, length, and weight of the board make it skip off the water.

For the novice to intermediate riders: First off, Sunova recommends this board for intermediate to pro level riders and I think that is accurate. Why? I assume because this board is going to feel tippy if compared to the traditional beginner boards, especially in light winds. If you are considering moving to a narrow board, make sure your water starts are fast. No casual knee starts where you flip your wing into position and hold it in one hand. If your wing is in the air, your hands had better be on the handles.

Also worth noting for beginners: I’ve always felt like switching feet was easier on a narrow board. First, it’s harder to get your feet into the wrong position. Second, the drive and longer weight distribution in front of and behind the foil feels like it buys you an extra second of time while also forcing correct decisions. So, if you are at all nervous about this element I would tell you that I, personally, find foot switches easier on boards like this. I tested the Carver with my 700 and 66cm mast, my twitchiest and least stable kit, and there were no issues on gybes and foot switches.

For intermediate to advanced riders: This board is going to give you the freedom to access the smallest foils and wings in your quiver. Along with that, it has incredible performance in the air that will not slow your foils down. I’ve found that I prefer having a little bit of board length when performing my most aggressive turns which lends itself well to getting board feedback while you are laid over and quickly going rail to rail.

Above all else the following questions/statements in regard to stability are the most inquired about:
1.   “The Carver will be too tippy in choppy waters. You’ll never be able to water start it when it’s really windy.”
Response: I, personally, have not had issues. I was riding 21” and 22” boards before this (130 sessions worth). Yes, this board is tippy if you are slow to get your wing in the air and hands in position. Expect this board to command you to speed up your water starts. Don’t be confused thinking this is aimed at light winds. It is a high performance board and what you lose in a handful of water starts is gained back many times over by the use of smaller foils and wings.
2.   Do you think this is a good choice as a light wind board?
Answer: It can perform well in light winds. However, this board is at its worst for stability in light wind. If you don’t have wind in your sail, you very well might just tip over, I know I have. I would say its ability to slog is poor. If you are an experienced light wind rider this board will give you high end performance in light winds. If you are a novice who is exploring light winds and narrow boards I think you would be best suited with a shortened, downwind board like the Aviator Downwind 22.5. This will give you FAR more stability in ultralight winds, will allow you to use tiny wings and foils, and will allow you to grow into the Carver down the road. If you want a dedicated light wind only board, again, I would consider a small DW board that will give you the performance gains matched with nice slog your way home stability.

Board Driven Accomplishments:

1.   I don’t think I ever expected to be on foil with my 700 under 10 knots using a normal sized wing board. A full DW board, yes. My 850, yes. However, I have now had multiple sessions where the average wind speed was 12-13 knots with the lulls below 10 knots and the Carver enabled me to use my 700 with 4.2m SLE without a hitch.
2.   In extreme winds, I was immediately able to start using my 700 by upgrading to this board (2m wings are incredibly sensitive and you need a fast board to use them if the winds are gusty). My 700, as well as my high aspect 900, both have harder takeoffs but are so efficient moving through the water that without them, winging in 40-55 knots is just miserable. The intricacies of high wind riding are many and deserve an entire write up on their own.

To get the most out of this board:
Plan to buy a smaller foil and use smaller wings. If you are buying this board purely to get easier water starts with your same wing and foil, yes, you will experience that. However, you will be selling this board short. Don’t look at it as a casual upgrade. Look at it as a full quiver transition. This board will beg for a high performance foil and will really show you it’s full potential when you give it that.

Summary:
The Carver has immediately met my goal of using smaller wings and foils at both the light, and heavy wind levels. It is currently my all time favorite board and the only thing I would consider changing if I was ordering another would be to put some custom graphics on it. I would also be intrigued to try a vapor 6’2”x20” 95l Carver in the future purely for comparison. I’d like to see how its stability and slogging feels. I’d also be interested to see how much faster it feels on the water. I do not see the need for any other board in my personal quiver.

How to order:
Sunova has dealers worldwide so everyone has a way to get ahold of their boards. I wanted some customizations on mine so I reached out to Christian, the owner of Poseidon Paddle and Surf in Santa Monica California. Their website shows them carrying what looks to be the entire lineup of Sunova surfboards, sups, and foilboards which gave me confidence that they would nail my order. The ordering process was smooth despite my requested alterations. My board showed up faster than expected and I have nothing but great things to say about Poseidon as a shop, Christian as the owner, and Sunova as a company.
https://www.poseidonstandup.com/products/sunova-carver-foil-board?_pos=3&_sid=6ce4c76c9&_ss=r

Thank you:
Huge thanks to Sunova for bringing this board into production as well as thanks to Marcus Tardrew for designing it. Big thanks to all my friends and riding buddies who make the coldest winter conditions so much more enjoyable.

Hope to see you on the water,
Bryan Lee



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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Sunova Carver Unboxed
« on: February 20, 2024, 07:25:36 AM »
I often see people asking how much these boards add to low end. Foils and/or hand wings.

I’m unable to answer this.

I just know that when you try a wide board again, you feel the drag.

I am riding smaller foils with these boards. 


100% addressing this in my review.

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Sunova Carver Unboxed
« on: February 19, 2024, 06:40:57 PM »
Almost done with my full review on the Carver. Have ridden it in 6-43 knots with foils from 700-1150. Anything special people really want to see in a formal review that is commonly missed?


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SUP General / Re: Kalama vs Sunova Speeed?
« on: February 18, 2024, 07:30:40 PM »
You're dead on about why the Quatro was too tippy for me. Definitely turned me off to that shape for now!

I'll check out those other boards as well but am now convinced that the 8'8" is the right choice between the two speeeds.

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SUP General / Kalama vs Sunova Speeed?
« on: February 16, 2024, 06:15:19 PM »
Wing foiling has been pretty front and center for me over the last year since I live in the gorge but I'm missing the waves a bit and am looking to chase our local beach break again this year.

I've had great success riding my 9'2"x30" 126l Kalama in past years. It's stable in the nasty wind chop and washingmachine ocean conditions that are the norm here. I really like the quad setup on it as well. However, I've had a glimmer or two of more performance oriented longboards in the past and my mind is wandering towards a new ride.

I'd like to go narrower, I demo'd a 28" board (NSP DC Super X) and was stoked on how fast that board got rail to rail in comparison to my Kalama. If I could find another quad, I'd steer towards that as well but quads seem uncommon in the industry. I have zero desire to go longer, but I also don't crave anything like the misery I had on a 8'2" Quatro Carve Pro. I want to score tons of waves, go fast, and I don't mind moving up, down, side to side on the board to optimize my turns and experience.

So... I'm wondering if the Speeed checks these boxes? My weight seems to fluctuate between 90-100kg when fully soaked in winter vs summer gear so I'm thinking the 8'8" 123l would be the easiest transition. Drops 6" of length, 2" of width, but only 3l less than my Kalama (does this mean super thick rails?). I've comfortably paddled down to 108l on a 9'x28" Kalama but worry that the 8'5" x 27.5" 113l Speeed would feel drastically less stable out the back and would sacrifice too much on the catch for my taste, but I'm open to hearing if I'm wrong about that.

Any thoughts, comments, direction folks can give me?

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21.5 is great.  I also have a 21.  Don't notice the 1/2" difference at all.  22 wouldn't bother me either.

22" doesn't bother me in the air, but it bangs my knee when I carry it  ;D that's why I like narrower.

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How is the 21.5? I really liked my 21, my 22 not so much.

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Saw this review about the carver so I figured I would add it to the discussion.

I recently tried out the Sunova Carver 6.2 Custom 79Ltr board, pairing it with an Axis ART Pro 1051 foil and a 4m wing for some short downwind runs. Normally, lifting my board with a 4m wing and the 1051, particularly in open ocean swells around 20-23 knots, has been a struggle. However, the Carver has been a game-changer. It’s still a bit of a sinker for me, but I can stand on crunch down to get it flying. When it’s on the surface, it skips over the water to gain the speed necessary to engage the foil. The speed it generates is unbelievable.
Recently, I took it into some waves, using the Axis Spitfire 780 and 720 with a 4m wing in winds between 22-25 knots. Surprisingly, the Carver allowed me to generate enough speed through the chop to get the foils flying. I was blown away by how easily I could downsize my foils by 1-2 sizes thanks to the Carver’s narrow size and length, which enable it to plane incredibly fast.

Impressed by the performance, I couldn’t resist going back to the foil shop today and acquiring a 5.2 with stock measurements as well. As a heavier rider at 6.5ft and 107kg, I’ve designated the 6.2 Carver as my go-to for light wind conditions. If the wind picks up beyond 20 knots, I’ll switch to the 5.2 for an optimal experience. Totally stoked

That's awesome that it's working so well for ya. Have you had many days on the 5.2 yet? My buddy got that one so I'll get to try it this spring.

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