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Foil SUP / Re: Wingfoil board for supfoil?

« on: April 23, 2022, 10:32:36 PM »

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Foil SUP / Re: Wingfoil board for supfoil?

« on: April 23, 2022, 10:28:53 PM »

I wingfoil will work if you have the right paddling technique and have access to good non crowded spot. You can catch the white water with small boards, but I have not seen anybody catching an unbroken wave in an small board.
I have been trying to introduce some friends into sup foil, all with very good sup background. All that tried with wing boards failed and dropped the project.
If you want to get into sup foil get a proper board.
After 2 years, I'm going long and narrow, but it has been a process. Now I don't want something wider than 23,5, it does not matter the conditions.

You SUP a 23 wide board?!?!?!

Yeah, thats what I was thinking, what are you 130lbs?

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Foil SUP / Re: Wingfoil board for supfoil?

« on: April 14, 2022, 02:11:39 PM »

Curious - what model of 140 L Blue Planet board were you supfoiling on?

The 144L easyfoiler I think?  I sold it, was too big and heavy to wing with, but actually pretty easy to paddle and catch waves with.

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Foil SUP / Re: Wingfoil board for supfoil?

« on: April 14, 2022, 02:10:21 PM »

You already have the board, why not just give it a try.  Most people have issue with paddling a short sup because they don't have the j stroke master yet.  But doesn't seems like your case.  The only issue i see is there isn't much nose rocker, you might have to adjust your take off where you might have to put more weight on your rear foot to get the nose up a bit.  I convert my 6'8 surf sup (with plenty of nose rocker) into a 5'3 foil board and it took me a few session to adjust to the take off position(feet and wave position), you will need the wave to be steeper or get push by the white water to get enough speed to get on foil.  I think the 120L wingcraft with flat rocker will get you speed up faster than my continuous rocker.

I'm now at the point where I want my next board to be similar to Kalama E3 DW or the new Kalama Barracuda, long and ultra narrow.  My whole envisioning from the beginning of sup foiling is to catch unbroken wave(big or small) and the short wide foil sup isn't allow me to do that.  Again you should give your 120L board a try, it might take a few session to get dial but I think it will work.

Yes, thank you.  That is my plan, but knowing ahead of time if it is even worth the struggle is important.  Started wingfoiling with all of the wrong gear and struggled for months before realized I wouldnt get up without 25+mph winds with what I had.

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Foil SUP / Wingfoil board for supfoil?

« on: April 14, 2022, 09:04:45 AM »

Sorry guys, I know this topic has been discussed, but I cannot find it in the search. I am 91 kg, an experienced sup surfer, surfer, and maybe a low intermediate Wingfoiler and tried some supfoiling on my 140Lblue planet last summer. I have a 120 L wingcraft Wingfoil board that I transitioned out of quickly down to one of Dwight‘s 105L boards that is perfect for me to Wingfoil on, but I would love to use my 120 L Wingcraft to supfoil small to medium size waves. My regular SUP board is a 130L board but its 8’ and man it tracks better than my 6 Wingcraft but I can still paddle the 120L with J strokes. Thoughts? Thanks.
Sorry Dwight, the 105L is only good for supfoiling on glassy days and in the Pacific Northwest that doesn’t happen  .

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Step 2 Learning to use the wing. Failure!!!

« on: September 24, 2020, 11:50:08 PM »

My philosophy is a little different from some of these more experienced guys. When I say more experience, what I mean is the majority of these guys that get up within the first 10 times either had some foil experience, some kiteboarding experience, or some windsurfing experience. If you do not have foil, wind, or sailing experience, my recommendation is to do just like you were doing on a big 153L board, and get out in low wind and just sail that board around at low speed. You do not need 15+ knot winds unless You are trying to get up on foil. That just ends up being a lot to be thinking about at once . I literally went out half a dozen times in Sub 10kns and just focused on how to hold that wing, find out where my power was, and how to handle the wing, board, and 2 leash mess.  You will definitely lose ground and will have a tough time staying up wind unless you have a big center dagger board. Don’t stress about losing ground, focus on lufting the wing, getting power into your wing, and just being comfortable holding it while balancing on the board.  Then you add the foil and some power little by little. You WILL get frustrated, but with some wind time and perseverance you will get it.

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Low wind foils

« on: May 16, 2020, 08:58:51 AM »

So here's the thing, the biggest factor in lift is velocity. Area and foil profile are linear, velocity is exponential. Double the area and you perhaps double the lift (actually less because of greater drag, but let's not gag at gnats). Double velocity and lift is four times greater.

So when high aspect decreases lift to drag ration it also lets you get the foil going faster for the same power (paddle, wave or wing). Beginning foilers have a hard time getting the speed up, but as soon as you master that the huge draggy wing becomes, well, huge and draggy.

I'm 225+, and a 101 Axis, which is about 1400 sq cm is plenty. When I started out the only thing I could reliably fly on was the GoFoil 280, which is about the size of a Cessna wing.

Which is a long way around to tell you that where you are in your progression has more to do with what you need for a wing than any other factor. I'm reasonably sure that when I get better I'm going to think the 101 is a ridiculous monster and it will be resting in the pile of crap in the back seat of my truck.

I'm not sure any of this is helpful with your question other than to say whatever you have will work sooner or later in less and less wind.

Thank you PonoBill. Don't you just LOVE the physics of this sport?  SOOO important in truly understanding and figuring out what you must do with your gear and your body to adjust the variables to get flight.  I totally nerd out on it.  I, at 200lbs, am on the Maliko 280, can't imagine dropping to a 1400, but Bill you give us all hope at 73 and 225lbs!  Keep rocking it!

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Slingshot V2

« on: May 16, 2020, 08:54:40 AM »

As I have two windowless wings, and I'm aware they add some weight,  seems like adding windows is more forwards thinking.  Tips on Winging in more crowded areas without windows?  I find I need to raise my tail up to peer underneath if I'm moving downwind, and because I'm new, I of course struggle to get the power back up and/or stay on the foil.

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Fanatic Sky Wing Foil Boards

« on: May 16, 2020, 08:50:23 AM »

This will help you with the little one

Saw that on youtube, Dwight, Awesome video, SUPER helpful, thank you!

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils

« on: May 10, 2020, 07:16:24 AM »

Pono Bill:
 "I'm always looking for equipment to compensate for my shortcomings."

I think this is so unique and hilarious for this sport.  Can't get upwind?  I need a harness.  Can't get up on the foil?  I clearly Need a bigger foil. Can't tack in low winds?  I need a bigger kite.....and It goes on and on doesn't it?  It did take a bigger kite, a bigger foil and a decent chunk of my daughters first year tuition in college to fly this thing.

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Having trouble coordinating wing pumping with board pumping

« on: May 10, 2020, 07:08:31 AM »

The technique I use for light winds is pull in the rear hand to your hip and at the same time front foot should be coming up as you're pushing your rear foot down compressing the tail of the foil. It'll scoot the board forward and eventually onto foil. A steady constant motion is better than a rigorous erratic motion. You just need to get to lifting speed and then you're on foil, a difference of one mph can do the trick.

Rear hand to the hip is a great way to think a bout it.  I will try that.  Thank you!

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SUP General / Re: Opening day casualty

« on: May 10, 2020, 07:05:58 AM »

Broke two Naish super lightweight and flexible carbon fiber paddles in the same spot leaning my 200lbs onto my paddle on a bottom turn.  First one they replaced, second I got my money back.  I believe there are paddles made that are reinforced at the neck.  I've had a carbon fiber Kialoa Methane now for over 5, no problems.

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Having trouble coordinating wing pumping with board pumping

« on: May 09, 2020, 06:52:18 AM »

It's extremely hard to pump a 280.

ok good, so it's not that I'm totally out of shape......

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Having trouble coordinating wing pumping with board pumping

« on: May 08, 2020, 06:19:04 PM »

Super common problem for us noobs.  Am I doing this pumping wrong or is this not enough wind for my fat ass and my gear? Please, I'm looking to be corrected here if I am wrong. In lighter winds I'm finding a couple of big slower pumps on the wing and board to gain speed (I think pulling down on kite, lifting the nose of the board up as you want to think about breaking the board's seal with the sea, lifting the board out of the water by making yourself lighter AND pointing the foil front wing upwards), and as I am rising I give 3-4 small but fast quick pulls down on the kite to get me up and going.  In heavier wind with my 6m, I literally find with my Maliko 280, and me at 200lbs (Well 205 in isolation )), I can just lean back with a little more weight further back on the tail and up I go.  Any other ideas? Appreciate it.

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Upwind on foil

« on: May 01, 2020, 08:32:09 AM »

Can someone post a good third person video of a strong upwind run?

Harness, harness, harness. Harness will crush anyone without it upwind.

Notice you can see the bottom of my board. Heeled to windward as much as possible for the power I had at the time. Wing pulled down and vertical. This is when you can load up your legs with so much force they start to buckle when super lit.



At 2:13 in the video I make an upwind run. Most of the video is just me goofing off.

Thats a great video Dwight, thank you.  You are really banking that foil.  I seem to get into that position and then when a lull comes I am leaning too far back and in I go.  I experimented yesterday and found, like with windsurfing, if I try to hold the kite towards the downwind side of my body I can point and get upwind easier.  My walk of shame dropped from a quarter mile to 100m!  Most of you are likely saying "duh" to holding the kite towards the back of your body a bit, but for many of us this is new stuff. Thanks to all!