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Gear Talk / Re: new shapes?
« on: January 30, 2012, 10:10:52 PM »
Exiled nailed it.  Here's the prone of the same.  I wouldn't want to be a body boarder and get my head wedged in the nose slot!

I actually knew a guy who had a Gemini body board. It was a bizarre little thing, pretty much a knee board he rode prone. Never saw him get his head wedged in it, but I always gave him a wide berth  :P

Every Gemini board I've seen has been a fairly wide affair, so it makes sense that they would try scale one up as a SUP.

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Gear Talk / Re: new shapes?
« on: January 30, 2012, 12:15:39 AM »
Ha! I was wondering when I'd see a Gemini SUP.

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Gear Talk / Re: The Space Pickle from Slingshot SUP
« on: January 27, 2012, 01:33:14 AM »
Oh my, this thread has sure spun somewhere else. Really not interested in personal attacks here, I was just trying figure out where the line between 'ripping off' and being 'inspired by' was.

Warren, the whole point I have bee trying to make is that design convergence isn't that unusual. I've heard talk for years about moving the volume of sups more to the rear. Having a wide tail sup is the natural end point to that train of thought. Seeing more than one person reach that conclusion doesn't surprise me. Putting a spine down the middle of a wide board with a fat tail was done on the sweet potato, and we know that board had gotten way more publicity than anything on these forums have. I also have a Blane Chambers prototype board that has a pretty pronounced spine too, though no wide tail. All good ideas, good enough for more than one person to have thought of them.

Just to be clear, I don't think that you ripped Parmenter off with the groove. I'm saying that you made something that looks like you did. Your channels might be deeper, but you both had the same idea. You talk about a sniff test. First sniff told me that you had made a modified Raimana. You say that isn't true and I say fine. I'm agnostic about it. I don't think I'll ever really know definitively and I know I don't care. But that same agnosticism carries over to the Pickle vs. Jammer. Given what else is already out there, I can totally see how it would be possible for this pickle board to have developed without knowledge of the jammer. Maybe it doesn't seem like the most likely case, but I don't see how you not knowing about the Raimana is any more likely, so from my position it doesn't seem wise to be casting stones.

[edit] Oh, and I'm down to 215 lbs now, so you've got nothing to worry about  :P [/edit]

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Gear Talk / Re: The Space Pickle from Slingshot SUP
« on: January 23, 2012, 06:29:23 PM »
Okay War, so you are keenly aware that a non-competitor brand didn't have any sups out competing with you at the last expo, but you had no idea that a major sup brand had a 6 channel board manufactured by boardworks with similar dimensions. You laugh off the idea of extreme coincidence...harmonic convergence... etc, but then plead that case yourself. Whats gives?

I just want to know where the line is when it comes to saying some one infringed on your intellectual property, because by looking at photos of boards, what Slingshot supposedly did to you and what it looks like you did to Parmenter don't look very different to me.

Look, I'm not saying the Jammer isn't a great board, it looks and sounds like it is. Its clear that you put a lot of hard work into it, I don't doubt that either. You adapted McCoy's shapes to a SUP size before anyone else did, and I'm not arguing that either. This Space Pickle isn't a full on template rip off like what waverod did. Its a little more gray. The changes they made should affect the performance of the board, and in that sense, it is a different board, not just cosmetically, but technically as well. I don't want to live in world where saying 'your board kinda looks like my board' is enough to stop innovation. Where would we be if Laird patented the standup paddle board? He'd be richer, but I doubt we would have better boards.

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Gear Talk / Re: The Space Pickle from Slingshot SUP
« on: January 23, 2012, 01:07:35 PM »
Okay, I'm pretty sure I've seen some parmenter widowmakers with six channels, but I can't say for sure. The Raimana has been out for at least a year and a half, and it has had a six channel bottom the whole time. You've got a board that's a little shorter, a little wider, and the tail is different. This passes your innovation sniff test but the slingshot board doesn't?

The waverod was a complete template grab, there was literally nothing different. The difference between a wide nose and a narrow one is hardly cosmetic, and the 7'6" version of the board is even more of a change. If your changes to the tail and general dimensions are enough to make the Groove a different board than the Raimana, why aren't Slingshot's changes in nose and general dimensions enough to make it a different board than the Raimana?

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Gear Talk / Re: The Space Pickle from Slingshot SUP
« on: January 22, 2012, 11:00:32 PM »
War, I mean no offense. Slingshot may well have taken your board and put a wider nose on it. But so what? Guys come out with similar boards all of the time. I looked at your groove and thought 'Oh look, its a c4 Raimana'. Conversely, I looked at C4's hipster and knowing about the Jammer, thought 'Oh look, some else turned a McCoy shape into a SUP'.

As a simple end user, who came first doesn't matter much if the board works. If the two are in front of me and everything else was the same, I'd buy the one from the guy who came up with the idea, but ultimately I'm gonna end up buying the one I can get my hands on. I'm all for progressive, out of the box thinking, but I wanna try before I buy. The biggest pro this board has going for it is that I'll probably be able to demo it locally. If you're ever on Oahu demoing Jammers I would be there in a heartbeat. But if its a choice between taking something out for a spin from a local shop or ordering a custom shape from the mainland, waiting, dealing with the extra money and hassle of shipping, and then hoping I like it, I know which way I'm going.

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Gear Talk / Re: The Space Pickle from Slingshot SUP
« on: January 21, 2012, 09:45:24 PM »
And DFS? might as well just glass on your fins in that case.

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Gear Talk / Re: The Space Pickle from Slingshot SUP
« on: January 21, 2012, 08:10:07 PM »
Hmm, another one to add to the list along with the c4 hipster and Wardog's Jammer. I'd love to demo one. Forum posts aside, its hard to definitively say who got what ideas from where, but you're gotta give credit to Wardog for at least figuring out that futures fins are the way to go. Futures has at least a dozen fins sets developed for SUP use. FCS has like 2 and a half. I'm absolutely mystified as to why any SUP manufacturer would use fcs boxes on their boards. I'd love to hear their rational, because if I was choosing between two similar boards, the one with the futures boxes would win every time just because of the options futures fins have.

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Gear Talk / Anyone seen the sub9 Hipster in person yet?
« on: January 13, 2012, 03:25:45 PM »


Interesting board. Looks pretty much like a giant McCoy Lazor Zap from that picture. I like the idea of moving the wide point of the board towards the back. I'm curious what the bottom of the board looks like though. Has anyone seen one in person?

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SUP General / Re: Fake PSH SUP
« on: December 13, 2011, 08:55:03 PM »
From Blaine Chambers via facebook:
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It's a really old molded board we did but it turned out to be a bad deal that they stiffed us on the payments... Funny how they use a cigarette pack to show the thickness... I would be stoked if nobody supported this sale. - BC

In fact, I think I'll sic the proper legal people on this...

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Gear Talk / Re: 10' 6" x 30" Paddle Surf Hawaii
« on: October 29, 2011, 10:18:03 PM »
Just to reference what a not too hollow wave might look like:


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Gear Talk / Re: 10' 6" x 30" Paddle Surf Hawaii
« on: October 23, 2011, 06:58:51 PM »
Total truth in advertizing. If you are paddle surfing in Hawaii you won't get a better shape. On Oahu at least I would guess that PSH boards make up at least 50% of the stand up line up at any given break.

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Gear Talk / Re: PSH Hull Ripper
« on: August 03, 2011, 11:25:28 PM »
I've been riding a 10' hull ripper for a few months now and loving it. Production models should be coming down the line in a couple of months, so I would hold off buying one for now. You would lose some stability compared to an All Arounder in the same size. The trade off being that the hull design makes paddling into a wave a lot easier. It also makes pushing out through the whitewash easier. They surf like champs.

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Gear Talk / Re: Does a pad add volume ?
« on: June 18, 2011, 11:15:32 PM »
Technically, yes it does. But if you're board is sunk enough for it to matter you are in trouble anyway.

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Gear Talk / Re: Problem with Starboard Whopper
« on: June 15, 2011, 04:33:24 PM »
Are you sure it isn't just an extra layer of wood to reinforce the area you stand on?

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