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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Rider Reports - Demos Are In

« on: June 24, 2019, 11:20:48 AM »

Admin, Julie, Pono, the experienced people!

I am not interested in foiling whatsoever. I am interested in light days (and light days on the lake mean that it may drop to zero in 2 minutes) on the local lakes to go on big floaty board to go out with a paddle attached to the boom and goof around  and not to be blown downwind. Like I do now for entry level free ride wsrfng. Basically to substitute this light air wsrfng with this light air wing schlogging.

The Q is: is it possible to go upwind on those wide boards without a dagger (or at least not to go downwind, and again having paddle in light air even this is not a total disaster), and how? burrying the windward rail?
And because it is just shlogging it shouldn't be stressfull on my arms. Like right now light air wsrfng I shlog without harness under the power of my 5 m sail, and it is not tiring at all.

what do you think guys?

I see people on Instagram doing this. Give it a go

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Rider Reports - Demos Are In

« on: June 24, 2019, 10:52:37 AM »

A condom can break also!  I live in Maui and paddle or wing now the ocean almost every day.  I have been kiting for 18 years.  I had a leash break that is bad!

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Wing Sup Board

« on: June 24, 2019, 02:17:00 AM »

I fall everywhere!  I’m holding onto it, so it’s at my face level when I get to the water. My Ion waist leash is long enough too, that I have never been close to the board.  My hydrofoil doesn’t turn on its edge, and it stays down, so I think that’s safer than some lighter ones that stay on edge.  I also fall less now with a 90cm mast. 

Here is how I fall with the wing.
 

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Rider Reports - Demos Are In

« on: June 23, 2019, 12:57:13 PM »

@alap Why don’t you want to foil?  If you can do all the other things, you can definitely foil.  The foiling is the fun!  I wasn’t able to use a paddle, because it’s too physically hard and injures me.  The wing is just there to let me fly on the foil.

I would rather kite or windsurf, or mtn bike than slog around with a wing and a SUP board. Maybe it’s a good way to learn how to use the wing, but definitely not my idea of fun.

Alan uses the daggerboard in order to help his students stay upwind.  I think you need the daggerboard or hydrofoil to stay upwind.

Wings have been around for years, and are only now fun because of the hydrofoil.  Ken Winner had been downwind foil paddling with Mark Rhapahost and Alan Cadiz and injured his shoulder paddling.  He wanted to keep going with them, and made some wings for himself.  He spent at least a year getting them designed to give him the power he needed(to be faster than his paddling buddies   the wings started floppy and with handles, and quickly made booms.  Alan made some metal front ends, then they wanted windows to avoid turtles and friends, then tighter leach tension, then battens.  He said it’s been at least 30 prototypes.  All because he wanted to hydrofoil downwind without paddle injuries.

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: The end of the beginning - SPG Wings (photo heavy post)

« on: June 23, 2019, 11:34:58 AM »

Hang in there guys!  Gusty winds would be very difficult and gorge chop too.  I had a mark on my 130L(I weigh 125lb) wide 7ft, Hydrofoil SUP board where to put my front foot. I agree that’s the key for foiling, knowing the front foot placement.  An unfamiliar board is hard.  They all have their own sweet spot.

I had never SUP foiled either, and learned with a wing, in Kihei, flat 20mph water though. I thought it was great learning that way, because I could stand on the board and sheet in the wing and pop up and down on the foil.   

Bill, the 3m is definitely not ideal.  If it’s windy enough for you to use, like 28mph, then it’s wild conditions.  One thing I like about a boom is I can adjust the wing power.  If I need more power I shorten it 1 or 2 clicks.  If I need less I can lengthen  it.

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Shared Knowledge for beginners

« on: June 22, 2019, 01:39:51 PM »

When the wind drops on your downwinder.  Set the boom on the board and steer like a spinnaker. 

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Shared Knowledge for beginners

« on: June 22, 2019, 11:53:05 AM »

I have been riding since December 2018 in Maui.  I could write a book now Alan Cadiz HST Maui teaches lessons on the duotone foilwings and starts students on a 200L windsurf board with daggerboard and after you can stay upwind and jibe, then you progress to a very short mast hydrofoil.

I always hang onto my wing when I fall and protect my face with the leading edge. I don’t Let the wing out of my hands because the leash flagging the wing isn’t fun. I also feel holding onto it when I fall it keeps me farther away from the foil.  I also recommend using a hydrofoil that stays down.

Duotone comes with a coiled wrist leash, but before I had that one, I tried a few.  I recommend the creature of leisure bodyboard coiled leash.  It doesn’t sag so it doesn’t get caught with the waist leash.  I wear it on my right hand and a watch on my left.

I love my ion waist leash because I switch my feet riding.

Need to learn to ride on your knees and steer up and downwind.  That’s your self rescue.  With a boom you can set it on the board and it’s stable to use like a spinnaker of a sail boat. 

To stand up in no wind it’s the hardest. I clipped this for a friend.  Being perpendicular to the wind you have the most power in the wing so that’s the best way to get started.  Even if it means going into waves.  The least amount of wind in your wing is downwind even if it’s the direction of the waves. 

Getting started in high winds on a hydrofoil you need to know the exact foot placement for your front foot.  I would not use foot straps either. 

Here is Sky Solbach starting overpowered in waves

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Rider Reports - Demos Are In

« on: June 22, 2019, 11:43:09 AM »

Honestly it would be impossible to not sense the wind is dropping on a Maliko run or most places and to head toward shore, and hitch hike.

My Maliko runs are all in winter, and there's a lot of times and places it's not wonderful to head to shore. I've had to come over the reef at Camp One and Kanaha a few times in spots I didn't choose and I've been tagged at Spartan's--didn't enjoy the experience. Doing it with a foilboard and a wing sounds like a disaster. I hear summer Malikos are a lot more civilized, without the ground swell, but I've never been there to do one.

Breaking down on a Viento run is not that big a deal, but there's a lot of other places in the Gorge where it's a bit more consequential. Hell's gate, the Wall, anywhere past Arlington, etc.. Might be nice to have options. And at my size and balance abilities I'm not likely to have a foilboard much smaller than little Fugly--6'11 X 30. I can paddle that.

Also, you've never seen me in a wetsuit. I'd be thumbing for a while. Not many people want an Orca in their back seat.

I've just talked myself back into doing this.

Sitting or kneeling on a board you easily can hold the wing to go where you need if the wind dies.  With the boom you can put it on the front of the board and use it like a spinnaker.  I think I need a photo.  My example of the hitchhiking is you aren’t seriously going to die, just inconvenienced.  This is so rare too.  The only reason it’s hard at the Maliko gulch is the wind is swirling in there.   

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Rider Reports - Demos Are In

« on: June 22, 2019, 11:31:29 AM »

I would worry about the leashes breaking!  Need double leashes more than a paddle.

Worry about leash breaking between board or with wing? (I assume board)

PS: I do love the real world feedback vs. the unending fear-narratives being written by those of us with little or no experience. 

Just like foiling.  Aren't we all going to end up looking like this poor sod?

A leash breaking and losing your board is the biggest worry for sure!  Losing the hand held wing is second, and then you just lost your “just in case paddle” too

I always hang onto my wing when I fall and protect my face with the leading edge. I also feel holding onto it when I fall it keeps me farther away from the foil.

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Rider Reports - Demos Are In

« on: June 21, 2019, 12:10:22 PM »

I will add my input on the “adding a paddle in case”. 

First, the slingshot wing is 2lbs heavier(1kilo) than the 4m duotone.  So now, you want to add the weight of a paddle, for “just in case”.   Also think about the paddle blade wind drag and how it handles gusts as you are riding. 

I have no problem prone paddling out of Maliko from the boat ramp, on a 68L board to the wind line, that barely floats me, and I am a middle aged woman with no weight training.  The wing sits on your back.

Also, if the wind dies, it’s really easy to sit or kneel on your board, and hold the wing (like a spinnaker) and steer in.  I have done that into the harbor in fact when the wind lows dropped but I decided to go to my car anyways.  Unlike having to self rescue kite boarding.  Maybe Kiters and windsurfer need a paddle.  Hehe

I tried the Naish with a paddle attached, and it has lateral movement if you sheet in, and especially pumping, and then it also has feedback delay because of the webbing stretch.  Very inefficient! 

Especially a place like the gorge does not need a safety paddle.  Hitch hike. Even a channel crossing doesn’t because you have a rescue boat.   Honestly it would be impossible to not sense the wind is dropping on a Maliko run or most places and to head toward shore, and hitch hike. 

Nowadays I'm also riding boards so small that I would not be able to use a paddle if I had one. I can't even kneel on some boards and paddle them. If the wind drops, I'm pretty good at flying long enough to get to shore. If the wind goes dead without warning, I'm pretty much in the same fix as any windsurfer or kiter who's also out there.   

I would worry about the leashes breaking!  Need double leashes more than a paddle.

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Wingsurf Foiling - How low a Windspeed is possible?

« on: June 20, 2019, 07:59:51 AM »

I never got bored going SUP downwind and chasing bumps. My shoulders and back got tired/injured though.  I went out downwinging yesterday and it wasn’t as windy as I hoped(could have used the 4m) but with the wing I could pump it and keep flying and gliding.

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Wing Sup Board

« on: June 19, 2019, 12:24:41 PM »

I am downwinging in Maui Maliko to Harbor.  I had never hydrofoiled before I had Duotone Wings to use.  I started on a Fanatic 7ft hydrofoil SUP 130L board but the key is the hydrofoil setup, and hydrofoil wing size needs to be bigger to fly easier. I started with a Fanatic hydrofoil front wing 2000sqcm long, 80cm fuselage & 75cm mast.  I have friends who have struggled on their smaller front wings, and smaller fuselages.  I use that setup about 15 times, and then used a smaller Fanatic 6’3” 100l board for a few months with the same Fanatic 2000sqcm/80cm/75cm.  The smaller board makes it easier to pump, but you trade off ease of standing.  Now finally, I got a custom board that barely floats my weight.  5ft long, 24” wide, 68L.  I now use a 90cm mast and if it’s windy enough I prefer a 1500sqcm front wing, but have kept the 80cm fuselage.  I still like the 2000sqcm front wing to get flying easier, with no pumping needed if less wind.

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Wingsurf Foiling - How low a Windspeed is possible?

« on: June 19, 2019, 11:51:15 AM »

more 3M wings than they have people on the list.

Here is a video of Ken Winner 190lb riding a 3m in the gorge gusty 28avg.   This day Dan and Rod thought it was too windy for their 4m, so didn’t even go.  The 3m was too big for me this day but didn’t have a 2m in the gorge. I think most people their will want a 3m if they want to ride 25+ which is when it’s the most fun.

Here is me a less windy day on a 3m too.

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Wingsurf Foiling - How low a Windspeed is possible?

« on: June 19, 2019, 11:38:33 AM »

Aloha!  I’m new to this forum.  I have been hydrofoiling downwind using Foilwings for a few months. “how much wind” Here is Kane hydrofoiling just by pumping.  It’s how much you can pump, and your hydrofoil board and hydrofoil wing size.  I’m not much of a pumper, or paddler, so I need the wings...Duotone has a 5m and it is comfortable for mediocre non pumping athlete me, on a 2000sqcm front wing and 68l board in avg 12mph. A more skilled person can easily ride it in less.