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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: The end of the beginning - SPG Wings (photo heavy post)

« on: July 07, 2019, 10:55:26 PM »

I am still confused what broke?

I don’t think ion is getting rich selling waist ion board leashes, so I’m tryin to be helpful and not promoting them, but they make it pretty easy to switch your feet, and seem strong. I’ve tried a bunch even. 

 I do use creatures of leisure body board leashes for the hand wing.  Nice shorty could stays close to the boom. 

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Wingfoiling - Is that hard?

« on: July 07, 2019, 09:19:19 AM »

I was referring to sup surf foiling and with the wing combined it will even harder.

The wing is way easier than paddling in any conditions as long as there is enough “wind beneath your wing”

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Freshie Alert! Instructional Part 2 Foil Wing Control with Dan Gavere

« on: July 06, 2019, 09:05:08 AM »

There is a difference!  Ken and I and Sky Solbach etc don’t use any straps. No need with a wing.  They would use straps to SUP foil but not with the Foilwing

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: The end of the beginning - SPG Wings (photo heavy post)

« on: July 06, 2019, 08:45:15 AM »

Was it an ion waist leash?  If it was new they need to know.  I have been using mine almost daily since March.  That’s my worst fear!!!  Yesterday at the hatchery on the 2m wing overpowered, and overfoiling (I even lost my contact) I gave it a really good work out.  I’m considering getting a new one now. 

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Freshie Alert! Instructional Part 2 Foil Wing Control with Dan Gavere

« on: July 06, 2019, 05:56:50 AM »

@dwight. Switching feet is really easy wingfoiling, esp versus kitefoiling.  Ken and I use a waist leash. I kite-foil a bit, and can’t really switch feet.  The first day using the wing with the supfoil, I could easily switch my feet jibing.  I don’t scissor either.  I think holding onto the wing when you fall you stay away from the hydrofoil.  So Ken and I tried the supfoil with a kite, to see if switching feet kiting on the sup was easier, and that was harder overall long boring analysis.  Ken uses me to see if the rest of the world can do stuff, if I can then most others will easily succeed:)  He can make anything work.  He does flying kite jibes and tacks, but says it’s the hardest and most people can’t. 

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Shared Knowledge for beginners

« on: July 05, 2019, 10:18:48 AM »

Someone asked about how to depower the wing.  1.  Extend the boom 1-3 clicks.  I did this yesterday.  Also holding it overhead flat depowers it and going downwind depowers it.  Conversely max wind is perpendicular to the wind so to get going you need to be there.  I saw someone struggle yesterday trying to get going downwind and that’s the least amount of wind even with the waves. 

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: The end of the beginning - SPG Wings (photo heavy post)

« on: July 05, 2019, 09:32:58 AM »

I updated my profile before I posted.  See “duotone rider”. Oh and I do have to pay for gear

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: The end of the beginning - SPG Wings (photo heavy post)

« on: July 05, 2019, 09:06:34 AM »

This should help you see some stances for waves in the gorge PV John Laptad Hatchery 7/4/19

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Foil SUP / Re: Fastest learning method to Foiling

« on: July 05, 2019, 05:24:47 AM »

The boat is good to find the correct feet positions on your board.  Once you know that you don’t deviate much.

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: The end of the beginning - SPG Wings (photo heavy post)

« on: July 05, 2019, 05:07:38 AM »

What exactly is your board and foil setup?  After this much trying, I would go behind a boat or jetski to see if you are even using the right gear for you.  It’s very complicated to find the best gear for the individual.   With hydrofoiling, it’s really easy when you find the correct feet positions.  Once you know where your front foot goes, you never deviate.   Usually the front foot is more forward and centerlined and back foot over the hydrofoil centerlined.  It’s not a windsurfing stance, it’s wider and more forward and centerlined.  There are so many foil variables.  The bigger front wing is way easier to get flying, and of course too big can have disadvantages too, so behind a boat you can find your foot placement and test out different hydrofoil sizes with boat speeds.  The longer 80cm fuselage is really helpful too and I bet you don’t have that. 

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Wingfoiling - Is that hard?

« on: July 03, 2019, 01:52:39 AM »

Alan Cadiz owns HST Maui and teaches Duotone wing foil Lessons.   He teaches the wing use on the beach, and starts students using the wing on a 200L windsurf board with daggerboard.  Only after the student can handle the wing to stay upwind and jibe does he get them on a hydrofoil.  His starting hydrofoil setup is a large 130L 7ft Fanatic Sky board with a 2000sqcm hydrofoil, short custom cut down 50cm mast, and 80cm long fuselage.

I learned in a few days with no ordeal.  I don’t think it’s hard to learn if you learn the wing first, and then add in the hydrofoil.  The biggest challenge is getting the best hydrofoil setup for yourself.  The hydrofoil has so many variables.  Front wing like 2000sqcm+ is crucial to start. Long Fuselage, like 80cm is really helpful and stable.  The Mast length 75cm start & 90cm+ For more advanced.  The back wing too.

There are a lot of little tricks you learn over time.  Managing how to de power and power the wing is really imperative before adding the hydrofoil.   Alan says it’s surprising how some of the best athletes, and others don’t.   He has the person who is struggling with the wing to hold the boom with the hands close together for a bit to learn the control.  It’s way too long to write how to hydrofoil here. 

Alex Augera’s 4th day (in the gorge too)   
https://www.instagram.com/tv/BzJfKjSD1p5/?igshid=zohajjzd26os

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Shared Knowledge for beginners

« on: July 02, 2019, 12:51:59 PM »

Ken says Viento would be better because of flatter water and decent wind.

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Shared Knowledge for beginners

« on: July 02, 2019, 12:48:31 PM »

Ken Winner says “hold the wing high over head when over powered.  Literally straight overhead.  It took me a while to really get it and now it’s easy. 

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: The end of the beginning - SPG Wings (photo heavy post)

« on: June 25, 2019, 07:12:07 AM »

Admin,

Don’t be afraid to try the smaller foils. IWA for you, Kai for Chan.

For a frame of reference, in 15-20 with a kite or sail providing power, the wings IWA and Kai are still big.

The 200 and IWA combo makes sense when you have no wind power, so like when you use your SPG wings to foil downwind, with most power gone, just surfing it. It could be terrifying on a beach reach with those big wings.

I don’t recommend using a smaller front wing for admin or Bill to learn on.  I think they will be very frustrated, and the wings are not the same power as a kite or windsurfing.  They need as much help as possible to get flying and it’s stable and slow.  They don’t need speed right now. 

I use my 2000sqcm wing in all conditions, and I weigh 125lbs.  Out and back, learning to jibe, downwinging, and it’s great and very helpful for me to get flying.      Now that I have been doing this for a few months, I use a 1500sqcm and take a bigger handwing only if I want to go faster.   I am also an engineer too.

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Rider Reports - Demos Are In

« on: June 24, 2019, 12:29:31 PM »

I will add my input on the “adding a paddle in case”. 

First, the slingshot wing is 2lbs heavier(1kilo) than the 4m duotone.  So now, you want to add the weight of a paddle, for “just in case”.   Also think about the paddle blade wind drag and how it handles gusts as you are riding. 

I have no problem prone paddling out of Maliko from the boat ramp, on a 68L board to the wind line, that barely floats me, and I am a middle aged woman with no weight training.  The wing sits on your back.

Also, if the wind dies, it’s really easy to sit or kneel on your board, and hold the wing (like a spinnaker) and steer in.  I have done that into the harbor in fact when the wind lows dropped but I decided to go to my car anyways.  Unlike having to self rescue kite boarding.  Maybe Kiters and windsurfer need a paddle.  Hehe

I tried the Naish with a paddle attached, and it has lateral movement if you sheet in, and especially pumping, and then it also has feedback delay because of the webbing stretch.  Very inefficient! 

Especially a place like the gorge does not need a safety paddle.  Hitch hike. Even a channel crossing doesn’t because you have a rescue boat.   Honestly it would be impossible to not sense the wind is dropping on a Maliko run or most places and to head toward shore, and hitch hike. 

Nowadays I'm also riding boards so small that I would not be able to use a paddle if I had one. I can't even kneel on some boards and paddle them. If the wind drops, I'm pretty good at flying long enough to get to shore. If the wind goes dead without warning, I'm pretty much in the same fix as any windsurfer or kiter who's also out there.   

I would worry about the leashes breaking!  Need double leashes more than a paddle.

Hey Julie,

One reason I could think of carrying a paddle is the fact the the leading edge on all of these wings are inflatable.  If Murphy  catches you and he eventually does and usually at the worst time.  If out in the ocean a fair way, trying to paddle a semi submersible board in from a ways off shore in good seas and wind could be a bad situation with a big limp piece of canvas.  Most of the time I would say the there would be no reason for the bladder to get punctured but it is just something that could happen.

Sure, carry paddles. To each his own. 

Most inflatable hand-held wings have bladders like the ones in kitesurfing kites. These are usually made from polyurethane film about 0.1mm thick. This has been the case with kites for more than two decades now. Yes, a bladder can get a hole. Fortunately, the leaks are usually slow enough that the rider can see that there's a problem, and can go to shore before it becomes a big problem.  Maybe good to check what bladder the brand you buy is using.