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Foil SUP / Re: Foiling Statistics - Kai vs. Iwa vs. Maliko
« on: September 02, 2018, 10:34:44 PM »
Yeah, I think we're on the same wavelength sharky. My current board is more old-school surf type with flat rails if you will, and I've hit them a couple times leaning it over too far, and skipping the board/foil off, and out of the water (as the best I can describe it) as a result. Not to mention I've got an additional 10" of board out in front of me to contend with than you, and Beasho have right. New board will/should change all of that, as it's going to have sharply beveled rails, and will actually be 5" shorter than what you're riding now. Excited to see how much a difference all of that will make....or not. :D

OMG, it's going to be like night and day with the shorter board!  I'm having a blast on the 6'5 vs the 8'5 surf SUP I converted.  I'm still struggling with the paddle out slowness and catching the waves as well as I did with the bigger board, but overall I can tell short is the way to go.  I also had to readjust to the more sensitive pitch with the shorter/lighter board, but not too bad.  Can't wait to see your board finished, looks crazy!  ;D

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Foil SUP / Re: Track failure
« on: September 02, 2018, 10:23:30 PM »
The tracks MUST be put into a PVC block before being put in the board!  Without that, just forget it, it probably won't last one session.  I actually went all the way to the deck with the PVC block on my Naish track install.  Probably took a 1lb weight penalty, but totally worth the piece of mind!  I also notice a lot of the failures here are in single skin boards.  Sandwich construction boards are much stronger, much more so if it's a PVC sandwich vs flat grain wood sandwich.  My Naish is wood sandwich and it shows, it delams easier than PVC, but still better than single skin.

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Foil SUP / Re: Foiling Statistics - Kai vs. Iwa vs. Maliko
« on: September 02, 2018, 07:00:38 PM »
I've been riding the Maliko 200 a lot lately.  With my new 6'5 I can make it turn very sharp (because I'm not hitting the nose/tail/rails on the water).  I was actually playing with sharper turns in my session this morning and was amazed at how well I could flick it around on top the of the wave.  The great part of this bigger foil and sharp turns is that you can almost stall out at the top of the wave and just keep foiling!  Any foil you can lean over and then pitch (pressure on the back foot) will turn crazy fast.  That's the kind of turning I'm talking about.  If we're talking about just slight leans and no pitching to make it come around fast, then the Makiko certainly does turn a little slower that way than a smaller foil with curvier tips.  It also takes a little longer to get to lean over to start a decent turn because it's flatter.  If you want crazy fast turns lean it way over and then load up the back foot as much as you dare!  ;D   … that's usually about the time I explode in my bottom turns  lol.  So fun!!!!

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Foil SUP / Re: Track failure
« on: September 02, 2018, 01:53:48 PM »
Bummer!!!  When are the manufacturers going to learn....  they should warranty that, seems like a design flaw to me.

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Foil SUP / Re: Foiling Statistics - Kai vs. Iwa vs. Maliko
« on: September 01, 2018, 12:36:27 PM »
I think it's pretty funny most of us go out into the surf to get away from this kind of stuff but we are inevitably drawn everything back into it  ;D
. . . .
PS.  I do know R, but go see what GCP with BigQuery is now offering for data scientists, totally amazing.   :)

I was out yesterday with 3 data trackers.  1) My Trace - donated by PonoBill.  2)  Dawn Patrol on the iWatch  3) Strava on the iWatch

I discovered that Pono's Trace 'bonks' data dropping 3 minutes of every 10 minutes that transpire.  Really weird and Trace has no interest in figuring it out.  My original Trace did not do this but my original has a battery life of 20 minutes.  I feel a little bit lost when I have to go back to mentally counting waves.

I had to Google was GCP was with BigQuery.  Interesting.  I have been partial to Microsoft for 25 years.  Pivot tables 18 years ago - could handle millions of records before anyone knew, back when Excel had a supposed "limit" of 64,000 records.  PowerPivot 9 years ago - Could handle 100 million records on a laptop.  Then SQL Server Tabular - PowerPivot on a Server -  I built a 3 billion record model last summer with sub 2 second query time. 
Then this presentation last month.  @ 17:00 Amir Netz & Co. give a demonstration with a Trillion records - Instant response time 1/4 Petabyte.  This gets me fired up!!!!

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/businessapplicationssummit/video/BAS2018-204

Ha!  I'm in the MS club myself, using SQL Server for 20yrs+, but other things are getting more popular with people, so unfortunately I must follow the crowd I'm in at the moment. 

I want a wave quality prediction tool!   ;D  that would rock!

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Foil SUP / Re: Foiling Statistics - Kai vs. Iwa vs. Maliko
« on: August 31, 2018, 07:35:02 PM »
I think it's pretty funny most of us go out into the surf to get away from this kind of stuff but we are inevitably drawn everything back into it  ;D

A small group made a really cool tool for tuning mountain bike suspension, called a ShockWiz.  It measures your suspension movements and uses data science/ML to predict and recommend the best settings for your suspension.  I could totally see someone using a very similar device on a foil board to measure different qualities and make some kind of recommendations.  Although, I'm sure the type and number of factors could get quite large.  The beauty of the ShockWiz is that it just uses one sensor to do everything.

Geek surfers, oh boy, what's the world coming to!   ;)

PS.  I do know R, but go see what GCP with BigQuery is now offering for data scientists, totally amazing.   :)

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Foil SUP / Re: Dropping the rope
« on: August 29, 2018, 11:05:04 AM »
I had an opportunity yesterday to get behind a pro ski boat (teaching friends how to foil) and try to ride the wake.  I was using a Maliko 200 foil.  There were about 600lbs of people in the boat, and the wake was maybe 18-20" high, barely breaking.  Boat speed was 8-9mph.  I found I had to be right at the back/side of the boat to ride it without the rope, a very very tight zone to maintain flight continuously.  If I added pumping then I could keep it going easier.  The difficult part was staying in the right zone as the foil would quickly outrun the wake and I'd catch up and almost pass the boat a couple of times!  I think with a bigger boat/wake it would be easier.

Something I forgot to mention, everyone thought the Naish Large foil was much easier to control than the Maliko 200!  I was really perplexed by this and doubted their assessment at first, but after watching them try both and stay up 5x more on the Naish, I had to agree.  It seemed like the Maliko 200 was so much more pitch sensitive that they had a harder time controlling it.  Interesting observation for anyone learning behind a boat, bigger isn't always better.  Exact boat speed for the Naish was ~10-12mph, Makiko 200 was ~8-9mph.  Rider weight varied so speeds were slightly adjusted until they could just fly the foils without being "forced" to fly them  ;)

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Foil SUP / Re: Dropping the rope
« on: August 28, 2018, 08:38:13 AM »
I had an opportunity yesterday to get behind a pro ski boat (teaching friends how to foil) and try to ride the wake.  I was using a Maliko 200 foil.  There were about 600lbs of people in the boat, and the wake was maybe 18-20" high, barely breaking.  Boat speed was 8-9mph.  I found I had to be right at the back/side of the boat to ride it without the rope, a very very tight zone to maintain flight continuously.  If I added pumping then I could keep it going easier.  The difficult part was staying in the right zone as the foil would quickly outrun the wake and I'd catch up and almost pass the boat a couple of times!  I think with a bigger boat/wake it would be easier.

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Foil SUP / Re: New ride, the latest from JL
« on: August 26, 2018, 03:14:15 PM »
Wow, that board Ron is riding has some crazy kind of rocker profile!  Looks like a banana!  Mine is nearly dead flat in the back, which I would have thought was faster.  I wonder if that rocker Ron has helps with pumping on the get-go.  I certainly pump my a$$ off to catch the waves, no issues there, but this new shorter board has reduced my board speed to the point I can't get first pump in, or when I do it's so late the wave is already spilling.  Granted they were steep crappy waves, but I swear on my longer board I could drop waves much less steep... which make sense to me, how could a smaller board ever drop as slow of waves as a larger one?  I'm going to ride the new board without straps until I'm really used to it, then I'll maybe add just the front and see how it goes.  It doesn't seem like you need the rear strap as much.

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Foil SUP / Re: New ride, the latest from JL
« on: August 26, 2018, 02:11:50 PM »
I'm glad you mentioned about the inability to move your foot around the board with the strap.  Right now I have to step my front foot about 6-8" in front of the normal flying position so I can drop in properly.  After dropping in I kind of heel to toe shuffle my foot back into position.  I've been meaning to ask how you guys deal with this?  I see two options; 1. don't put your foot in the strap until you drop-in, which seems to defeat the purpose of having a front strap to help get your on the foil, or; 2. Learn how to lean more on the front foot and/or lift with the back foot (also in a strap) to control pitch on drop in.  Real curious how people have been making this work for when I have a go at it.

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Foil SUP / Re: New ride, the latest from JL
« on: August 25, 2018, 01:39:50 PM »
I don’t think you’ll use the 8’5 anymore. You have one more hurdle to make the 6’5 catch waves as easy as the longer board. A few board pumps while digging to catch the wave. And maybe some mast placement tuning. I guess that’s two things.

I'm thinking that a front foot strap is really going to help with getting the pumping going from flat/drop-in.  The reason being you can try to raise the nose of the board with the front foot by lifting.  Can anyone comment if they've found that to be true?

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Foil SUP / Re: New ride, the latest from JL
« on: August 25, 2018, 11:25:37 AM »
First session done.  Wow, my observations here are going to be more about what it's like to ride a small-ish 6'5@107L foil specific SUP vs a larger (8'5@115L) converted surf SUP.  This is a whole new category of board for me so I really can't provide any feedback on how it compares to other similarly shaped/sized foil specific boards.

I'm around 180-ish right now with a wet full wetsuit on (cold water here).

Conditions weren't the super best, but ok, glassy, 5-6ft @ 8-9sec, so a bit crunchy.  Knee to chest high, mostly not breaking, but when they did it was steep.  Not a tone of residual energy in the waves after breaking.  I had the maliko 200 on with track adapter, so +4" on the mast.  I ran it in the middle of the track, but after this session I think I need to move it all the way to the back.  On drop-ins I was nearly stepping off the pad on the nose to keep it down.... but once riding my foot was just on or barely in front of the front foot marker on the pad.

I got off to a good start and somehow managed to catch and fly my very first drop-in not knowing the proper foot position yet. 

The JL 6'5@107L compared to my converted Naish 8'5@115L:

1.  Slower paddling/in-water board speed, probably half!.. or less!
2.  Harder to catch waves, I probably caught 1/3 of the waves I normally would get on the larger board.  Mostly due to #1 above.
3.  Harder to keep the nose down on drop-in.  Not sure why, but I really had to lean all my weight on the nose to get it leveled off on drop-in, I guess less leverage than my larger board...??  I had some spectacular crashes where the foil launched me down the wave to the bottom on late drops, got a couple of stings from hitting the water so hard! lol
4.  Fantastic stability and float!  I am truly amazed, the board is super stable, even feels maybe more stable than my larger board!  Feels like it floats just as well @107L as the 115L!  Weird!
5.  Super light weight, I think the Naish with the massively reinforced foil box install is about 20-22lbs+, the JL is 15.5lbs, that's almost the weight of the foil in savings!  Very noticeable carrying it and riding it.
5.  Excellent handling both in the water and flying.  You can pull a 180 in the water to catch a wave in like half a second!  Once flying, the lower weight and swing weight make it SOOOOOO much more maneuverable.  I also felt like there was less flex in the foil/mast due to the lower swing/weight.
6.  Less glide?  I guess with the weight savings it's like not having as much ballast, so I seemed to glide a little less long (no pumping) than with the heavier board.  Not a lot, but noticeable.
7.  More efficient flying and pumping.  Pumping has definitely improved a whole lot!  Not only can I pump easier to the wave in front of the one I'm on, but when I turn/carve or do mini-pumps I seem to get a lot out of my effort.  I was able to pump half way back out on one ride.  On the Naish I have pumped all the wave back out, but definitely not nearly as easily and that was under perfect conditions (good rebound).  Today was not good for pumping back out and I was able to make it part way back out and several waves.  I did not hit the tail or nose on the water even once while pumping, even aggressively, super cool!  This allowed me to pump the foil even when only inches out of the water.
8.  JL has the best finish!!  The board finish is better than any of my cars!  No joking.  It's a real shame to see it get scuffed from paddling and handling.
9.  It's harder to ride, less stable, but way more maneuverable.
10.  I think I will still ride the Naish when the waves are bigger or the water is choppier.  You need good board speed to catch bigger waves before they break, and paddling a tiny board like this in chop is not going to be fun.  However, when the waves are good and easier to catch the advantages in handling and pumping are going to be really awesome!  There are definitely trade offs with each board.

After a few more session I will try the foot straps it came with.  I don't feel like I need them, but I can imagine they will allow even more pumping and stability in turns/etc.

I am stoked on the board, looking forward to learning how to ride it better!

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Foil SUP / Re: New ride, the latest from JL
« on: August 24, 2018, 04:29:18 PM »
This is the smallest version of this production model.  Here are all the sizes Marlon listed:

6'5"x28.5"x4.25" (107L)
6'11"x29"x4.3" (122L)
7'5"x30"x4.7" (143L)
7'11"x31"x5" (168.6L)

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Foil SUP / New ride, the latest from JL
« on: August 24, 2018, 12:31:34 PM »
6'5 x 28.5 x 4.25 "Flying V"  107L according to Marlon, despite that the sticker on it says 115L (a mistake from the factory I'm told).  This example is 15.5lbs in carbon.  The red has a pretty metal flake in it.  I'll give a ride report after I get it wet.

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Foil SUP / Re: Lost foil at el Porto
« on: August 22, 2018, 12:55:10 PM »
After losing my foil to the waves I now run a kite line from around my mast to my leash line where it connects to the board.  Make sure the foil floats if you're using an adapter, which is +1.5-2lbs.  I actually haven't tested that yet, I just run the safety line and don't worry about it.

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