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SUP General / Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
« on: June 11, 2021, 06:09:07 PM »
About 6:30 pm my time, I checked my email account because Walgreens was going to send me an email when my prescription refill was filled and ready for me to come and pick it up. I did get the email from Walgreens, but I had another email from REAL Watersports.

The email from REAL said my 9'3" Parallax had arrived at their shop this Friday. I knew REAL closes their shop at 8:00 pm EST which is my 7:00 pm CST. I quickly called REAL and spoke with Randall who said my board was in pristine shape, but there was a "catch".

Since REAL is located on an island off the North Carolina coast, they only ship their boards once a week and that is every........(ugh) Thursday.

I missed the shipping day by one day. So my Parallax will be shipped to me this upcoming Thursday, June 17th. Once the board is shipped, I will get a tracking number. I'm hoping to get my hands physically on it by June 23rd.

SUP General / Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
« on: June 11, 2021, 03:55:28 PM »
@ Bean

I was never into nose riding. I learned to surf on a 9'6" longboard which was a nose rider at that time because of it's square tail with a single glassed in hatchet type fin which would be akin to a pivot fin.

But I never did any nose riding with it. I was just into the "glide" from the long rides which I enjoyed.

SUP General / Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
« on: June 11, 2021, 03:48:38 PM »
@ LBsup

That video was taken on April 6th, 2021. This has been a "cold" Spring for us. The night time temperature was in the high 40's with daytime temperatures in the low to mid 60's in the first week of April in 2021. At that time, the water temperature was warmer than the air temperature.

The surfers were wearing wetsuits because the wind was really blowing that day and surfing without a wetsuit, the windy cold air combined with a low morning temperature of around 60 degrees F makes the body feel cold when the bare skin is wet.

Today is June 11th and the water temperature at Surfside is 86 degrees F. On a side note, June 1st is the start of our hurricane season for Texas. Hurricanes start getting bigger category wise when the water temperature is 80 degrees F and above.

In July and August, the water temperature at Surfside will be between 89-92 degrees F.

SUP General / Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
« on: June 11, 2021, 10:38:17 AM »
While I wait patiently for my 9'3" Parallax by the first week of July, I've already shown in this topic thread the kind of waves in a few videos before this post, I like to ride for sup and prone surfboards at Surfside and also at Port Aransas. The nice slow roller type of waves which for me are pure enjoyment.

But those slow roller type of waves are not the norm when the wind is blowing. I've finally found a nice view of how the waves are when the wind is really blowing at a good clip. These waves can best be described as "disorganized" (angry waves). The video is a short 3:44 (minutes and seconds) in length of time.

It is not professionally made which means it has it's good points and not so good points. The video starts out showing the Surfside Jetty and Surfside Jetty Park where I park my truck. The white building with the black colored roof shingles contains the restrooms and showers. You can also see the wooden stairs from the parking lot to the beach. The first minute takes up spanning the waves in a panoramic style. Then you can see some of the prone surfers riding these waves.

These disorganized waves are great for "gliding" which is the type of riding I like to do whether sup or prone surfing. But you have to have a fast board to go from section to section since the waves will just die out behind you and you have to go to the next wave either to the right or left from where you are. This is main reason why I chose the Parallax which can be steered from the middle of the board and is also a speed board.

Almost forgot. There is some narrative in the beginning of the video which ends after about one minute of time. All through the video, you can hear the pounding sound of the waves.

I hope you enjoy seeing this video.

SUP General / Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
« on: May 25, 2021, 05:12:56 AM »
@ Subber

When I was doing research for prone surfboards; specifically longboards, since lots of people surf surfboards, I thought there would be lots of surfboard forums on the internet. I found out there aren't that many at least for longboard information.

The best place on the internet, in my opinion, specifically for finding information on surfing longboards, is at the Jamboards site at the link below.

Under the "Surfing" forum, I found the topic thread for JC Nelson Boards. Only the original poster wasn't paying attention to what he was typing and instead of typing, "CJ", he had typed, "JC".

But when I saw the topic thread listed as JC, I assumed it was a typo and the topic thread is at the link below. BTW, the topic thread there is now at 14 pages in length.

There is also another topic thread for the CJ Nelson "Outlier" model and it is at the link below.

The Outlier comes in three lengths and at this time they are 7'6", 8'0" and 9'0". I had thought about the 9' Outlier, but at 23" in width with 70.0 liters, I thought this board would be just a hair too narrow for me for the liters of volume and might prove to be "finicky" and give me problems.

As for the Flying Diamonds of California fins which is a company CJ owns, there is even a topic thread for that too.

I've enjoyed this topic thread and thanks for participating in it along with the other posters who have made comments.

SUP General / Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
« on: May 24, 2021, 07:59:06 PM »
My Involvement 9.0 fin was supposed to be delivered at my home this upcoming Friday. Then I checked the tracking number this past Saturday and it said my fin would be delivered this upcoming Wednesday.

I checked my tracking number this late Monday afternoon and it said the fin would be delivered to my home by 9:00 pm today. The fin arrived at  4:30 pm.

And I'm going to post the picture of the volan green fin. BTW, the fin color is green, but the volan is the material the fin is constructed out of. The fin came in a soft black fin bag so I laid the fin on top of the black fin bag to make the fin easier to see.

Now, this site's forum software does not allow one to preview a picture so I'm just hoping this picture shows since I had to resize the picture. Got to add this. The fin is 9" in height and the base of the fin is 5 1/2" in length.

SUP General / Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
« on: May 24, 2021, 03:03:49 PM »
@ Subber

I'm glad you like this topic thread and all the research I've found for it.

The Parallax is not a nose rider because of it's pintail. CJ designed this longboard to be very fast, easy to ride without any "pumping" of your legs, being able to "trim" (turn the board from the midpoint of the board) and to be able to carve a wave, not shred a wave.

Basically a fun type of board made for pure enjoyment. Since it is a fast board, the board will always be able to be out in front of a slow wave. Since it is a fast longboard for it's length, mine being 9'3", it can easily out run a wave so it needs to be able to make that nice bottom turn to get back in touch with the wave no matter how small or how high the wave is depending on one's skill level.

The Parallax will nose ride, but the wave has to have plenty of "juice" in it to do so. But I'm not a nose rider. Never have been. Never will be. I love the glide of a longboard and this is why I chose the Parallax.

CJ does ride his Parallax which is: 9'6" x 23 3/4" x 3 1/4" @ 81.4 liters with a 10.5 "Parallax" Flying Diamonds fin. Not an "Involvement" fin.

If one wants a nice single fin niche board that can do what the Parallax can do and can nose ride easily, then another of CJ's designed boards can do this and it is his "Neo Classic" longboard. The Neo Classic comes in two lengths which are: 9'5" x 23 1/2" x 3 1/8" @ 76.1 liters and 10'0" x 24" x 3 1/4" @ 84.4 liters.

CJ's rides his Neo Classic 10'0" length with a 10.5 "Power Flex" Flying Diamonds fin.

And I just so happen to have an indepth video review of his Neo Classic model in the 9'5" length below.

Some people say they are too old to surf a prone longboard. If one choses a skinny longboard, lets say 23" in width or shorter and under 67 liters of volume, yes, at our age that may be tough to ride.

But if one chooses a longboard; lets say around 9'2" in length to 10'0" in length with at least 23 1/2" of width and with at least 73 liters of volume in it, then anybody can ride a prone surfboard, no matter their age.

The only caveat for a longboard of 9'5" in length or longer, swinging the nose of the board backs towards the wave in a high wind speed and/or high wind gusts. This is why I went with the Parallax at 9'3" in length over the 9'6" Parallax and also over the Neo Classic at 9'5" in length.

SUP General / Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
« on: May 24, 2021, 05:41:22 AM »
Thought I would make one more post to help explain the Thunderbolt Technologie in Red and Black construction. In the video below, you will see why I specifically chose the Red construction.

Taylor Jensen really does an excellent job explaining the Red and Black construction in conjunction with surfers and the waves they surf.

SUP General / Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
« on: May 24, 2021, 05:34:17 AM »
@ surfinJ

When I was doing my research and narrowed it down to a single fin longboard, this is when I ran across CJ Nelson. After CJ retired from competitive surfing, he started designing surfboards. His last three designs were the Outlier, Parallax and the Neo Classic. And Ryan Engle shaped these prototype model boards. Engle has been around a long time with an excellent reputation as a shaper.

When I started to zero in on the Parallax, I had no trouble finding online reviews of it on YouTube. But there wasn't any actual surfing footage of it on YouTube. There were actual surfing videos for the Outlier and Neo Classic, but none for the Parallax.

I had to "hunt" for the actual footage for surfing for the Parallax. I ran across a site, Jamboards, which had a topic thread in for CJ Nelson's boards. And I ran across the Vimeo video in it showing the prototypes for the Outlier, Parallax, Neo Classic and the Sprout.

In the video below, there are two white colored boards, side by side, with pintails in different lengths. One of them was the Outlier, the shorter length one and the other was the longer length one, the Parallax. I recognized the Parallax in the video and CJ was surfing it in this video. It is a long 15 minute video. And watch it in full screen mode and high definition setting.

Now lets get to some fins. Since CJ designed his boards, it was a logical step for him to actually design fins specifically made for these different model boards. And he is the owner of Flying Diamonds fins which is at the link below.

The right fin design and the length of it determines how good or bad a surfboard will perform for a given set of waves. My choice came down to a Flying Diamonds "Parallax" fin and a "Involvement" fin. For the waves I normally encounter, the Involvement seems to be the best choice and I will know for sure when I actually surf the 9'3' Parallax with the 9.0 fin.

The Parallax has a long fin box. Where to put the fin in the box is very important. Placing the fin all the way back in the rear of the fin box makes the board track straight, but it might make the board too "tracky" for a turn. Placing the fin all the up at the front of the fin box will make the board very loose which will make the board "skid out" on a turn.

Instead of "guessing" where the correct spot for the fin is to be placed in the fin box, there is a way for getting it real close to where it should be placed. And the 15 minute long video below explains that. Watch the video for this segment when CJ goes to his warehouse. Again, watch this video in full screen mode and high definition setting.

As you can see, I'm detail oriented so I do my homework when it comes to research.

Random / Re: Cover songs.
« on: May 23, 2021, 10:33:12 AM »
Since I just purchased a single fin prone niche surfboard which should be delivered to me in the first week of July, I thought I would post this cover song below. And the video itself along with this site's watersports theme, is appropriate for what I bought for prone surfing. Just not the nose riding part.  ;)

The New Love Generation  (Mamas & Papas cover) - "California Dreaming"

SUP General / Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
« on: May 23, 2021, 06:42:40 AM »
@ surfinJ

I absolutely LOVE "geezer" type waves for both prone and sup surfing. Pure enjoyment. Hence, my preference for longboards for both prone and sup surfing since these type of boards fit my style of surfing which is the old "classic" style of surfing from the 1960's.

It is 110 miles from my home to Surfside, Tx. So the round trip is 220 miles. I leave my home to go to Surfside at 5:00 am and I get to Surfside at around 7:15 am.

I usually surf the waves at Surfside between the hours of 7:30 am to 11:30 am with a few breaks inbetween to head back to my truck to rehydrate myself and get a little bit of rest.

I take four rest breaks which are 15 minutes in time for each rest break. So three hours of actual surfing will take it's toll on the body for both young and old (like me) if one doesn't take a rest every now and then and gets lots of Gatorade in one's self.

For those "lurkers" on this site who have not registered for any reasons and anyone else interested, I suppose they are wondering how much did the Parallax cost me?

The 9'3" Parallax cost me $1,125.00 and shipping cost was/is, because of the length of the board, $199.99 for a grand total of ($1,324.99).

When REAL Watersports left me an email, the email stated they had a few Parallax boards coming in late June in the length, construction and color which I wanted. They asked me if I wanted to pre-order one and make a $100.00 non-refundable deposit to "hold" the board in my name.

I remembered when REAL got two of the 9'3" Parallax boards back in January of 2021 in Red construction and white in color, they sold both boards in the span of 10 days. But I was still doing research and missed out. The old "you snooze, you lose".

So I called REAL and gave them my credit card number for the non-refundable deposit. The rest of money for the board will be charged to my credit card when the board is shipped along with the tracking number.

REAL told me they used FED EX to ship their boards and it would be delivered to my home with a signature required. But, I told them to ship the board, in my name with driver's license identification and signature required, to the FED EX truck terminal at 9010 Jackrabbit Rd in Houston, Tx. REAL asked me why I would do that?

I told REAL, the fewer people handling the long package containing the board during transit would lessen the damage percentage wise during transit. So I removed the damage possibility from the trucking terminal and then being loaded upon the delivery truck to my home handling wise. Even if the board would be damaged in transit, REAL told me it wouldn't cost me any money and REAL would replace the Parallax.

I told REAL, you can't replace this particular model in the length, Red construction and color (volan green) I want if REAL sells out of them and I would have to wait another 4 to 6 months in time to get the replacement. And at 71, I'm not getting any younger and REAL said I had a very good point.

When the board arrives, probably in the first week of July, I will take pictures of it and the 9.0 fin and post them in this topic thread.


SUP General / Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
« on: May 21, 2021, 11:14:24 AM »
I hope you enjoy the new board when it comes.
You could pop the fin in one of your sups to feel it out while you wait.

My One World sup is 11'1" x 30" x 4.5" @ 173 liters. My two Duke sups are 10'5" x 32" x 4.5" @ 190 liters. Since I sup surf small waves at Surfside, Tex; both of these two sup models surf best with a 4 fin quad setup. Why? Because of the small waves, the quad fin setup allows both of these tow boards to generate speed which in turn helps with the small amount of dynamic lift these waves produce and gives me a nice ride.

A single 9.0 or a 9.5 fin would have a hard time with these two big boards when sup surfing small waves. How do I know? I tried a single 9" fin down at Surfside on both of these boards above and it just doesn't work well enough on these two models to give me a nice ride.

SUP General / Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
« on: May 21, 2021, 10:45:50 AM »
@ Dontsink

Longboards are usually described as being 9' in length and over. For the longest time, longboards fell into two categories which are HPLB's (high performance longboards) and NR's (nose riders). But times have changed. There is a third category which I call NLB's (niche longboards).

HPLB's usually have multiple fin boxes (3 or 4 fin boxes). NR's usually have single fin boxes and the key word is "usually". I have seen some NR's with 3 or 4 fin boxes, but the usual norm is a single fin box.

HPLB's can be steered by putting the back foot over the fins or on the rails above the fins. NR's usually are steered by putting the back foot over the single fin (or over a 2 + 1 setup).

A NB (niche board) is usually steered by shifting one's weight over the center of the board to turn right or left. No need to put the back foot over the fin(s) on the underside of the board. No need either to put the back foot on the left or right rail for turning. So the Parallax is the best of both words for steering or turning.

And the above is why I chose the Parallax and as a bonus, this design by CJ Nelson is a very fast longboard.

Since I don't nose ride, I just wanted a NB to enjoy myself without working at it or to please anyone on the beach looking at me. The Parallax is this type of board. If the waves have enough juice in them, I could nose ride it, but that isn't my style.

I agree poly (PU) boards are a "dent" machine. They ride nice and feel good underfoot when riding a wave, but they ding easily. The Thunderbolt Technology feels like a poly, but it doesn't ding easily. One really has to work at it to ding one. Thunderbolt comes in Red and Black materials. For a lightweight person like myself who surfs in small waves most of the time, the Red is the right choice because it is not as stiff "flex wise" as the Black.

On the internet, many people are discovering Thunderbolt Technology. Below is a good video for it.

And one more video as a "teaser" for the Parallax.

SUP General / Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
« on: May 21, 2021, 06:12:49 AM »
NW, you must be in great shape to still be able to prone surf at your age.

I turned 71 in February. I'm not in that great of shape. Since I've been using a sup for a few years now for both flatwater paddling and sup surfing, my back problems no longer appear.

But, I have a partial tear of my meniscus in my left knee. I put my left foot in a gopher hole where the gopher hole was hidden under some sycamore tree leaves. It caused me to fall and I fell on an exposed root of the sycamore tree and the exposed root was also hidden under the leaves.

When my left knee hit the root, it caused a large and very painful bone bruise on the inside of my left knee. My knee really was still swollen after one month of time and that was when I went to see my orthopedic surgeon, the same one who repaired both my left and right shoulder joints.

My surgeon told me, after the MRI, a partial tear of a meniscus is "not" the same thing as a torn meniscus because of where the tear is located. My partial tear is in the middle of the meniscus and not on the side of the meniscus. Think of a doughnut where the hole in the doughnut is where my partial tear is located. He told me my pain and swelling was due to the bone bruise and a stretched ACL ligament. Not from the partial tear.

He told me getting to the partial tear would cause more harm than good damage wise. He gave me some exercises to do at my home and he said it would take about two months of therapy and my pain would go away. And I wouldn't even know I had a partial tear.

I told him I was still concerned at  the partial tear. He told when the partial tear, tears all the way to the outside edge of the meniscus, my left knee would DEFINITELY let me know to come see him. I asked my surgeon should I "baby" the left knee and he said, "absolutely not". He told me when the pain in the left knee goes away, just use it like you normally would no matter the activity I was doing.

The waves down at Surfside, they are not big waves like what you find where you surf. My style of sup surfing and prone surfing is just made for a longboard. I don't surf shortboards. Surfing a shorboard is a lot of work especially at my present age of 71 and I surf for "pure enjoyment" which is also known as "fun" and not work.

Most of the "young bucks" on their shortboards at Surfside, they view my style of surfing as "boring". They like to shred waves, pump their boards when the waves just aren't suited to their style of surfing, etc.

I told one young buck, out of twenty waves when the waves are knee high, I can surf all twenty where you can only surf maybe three waves on your 22-27 liters in their 6' in length or shorter, shortboards. The young buck told me I have a point which can't he couldn't refute.

My style of surfing is to get out in front of the wave and just glide almost to the beach and this is why I get and enjoy many long rides. The young bucks have nicknamed me, "grandpa" and they told me to wear that nickname like a badge of honor since many of them have told me they hope to be still surfing if and when they reach my present age.

You can see some to the waves I like to surf in the two videos below. One is at Surfside and the other is at Port Aransas.

SUP General / Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
« on: May 20, 2021, 08:48:09 PM »
Thought I would give an update on this topic thread.

After doing lots of research, I finally made a decision on getting a single fin longboard over my favorite muti-fin longboards. After getting in touch with REAL Watersports in North Carolina, I made the decision to get a CJ Nelson "Parallax" model longboard in Thunderbolt Red construction. It's specifications are: 9'3" x 23 1/2" x 3 3/16" @ 78.8 liters in Volan Green color.

I left my email address with REAL and REAL told me it would be a long wait for this particular longboard due to the pandemic. Yesterday REAL left me an email and told me they were getting a few Parallax's in the Thunderbolt Red construction in Volan Green and the boards would arrive in late June (2021).

I called REAL this morning as soon as they opened and placed my order for the board above. It will be delivered to Fed EX Freight at FED EX's truck terminal in northwest Houston (Tx) in the last week of June or the first week in July where I will pick it up.

But this board does not come with a fin. Along with my research for this board, I also did research on longboard fins which would work well with my physical weight and the waves down at Surfside, Tx. BTW; after my three surgical procedures I had done in a span of 19 days, my weight went down to 138 lbs, but I now weigh an even 150 lbs.

The single longboard fin I wanted was a Flying Diamonds "Involvement" fin in volan green color which was designed by CJ Nelson. I figured I needed a 9.0. or a 9.5, but I didn't know which one.

I hunted all around the internet and there was a surf shop (Hawaiian South Shore) in Honolulu, Hi which had both sizes in the Involvement fin and also in volan green color. After getting their opinion on how much I weighed, where I surfed, how I surfed and what waves I would normally encounter at Surfside, I went with the 9.0 size.

The fin was shipped today at their closing and I should receive it by next Friday (28th of May).

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