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SUP General / Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
« on: December 12, 2020, 09:02:55 AM »
Hi Night Wing, It appears Realwatersports has the boards you want in stock.

"Close, but no cigar". The "devil" is "always in the small details which get overlooked".

Real Watersports has the Harley Ingleby HI4 model in Black Thunderbolt, but this model of construction has less flex more suited to bigger waves along with bigger people weight wise than me.

At my weight with the tiny to small waves which are typically found on the upper Texas, the Thunderboalt Red with its more flex than the Thunderbolt Black, is best suited for me. And REAL Watersports only has the HI4 in "Black", but I need/want the "Red" no matter if I went with the HI4 or the Parallax.

This is explained in the video below.

REAL Watersports does have the Parallax in Thunderbolt Red, but they only have it in the 9'6" model, no 9'3" model. At the link below, you'll have to scroll on down to the bottom of the page to see the three Parallaxs they have in stock at the time of this post.

I'm leaning towards the Parallax in the 9'3" length since the HI4 also comes in a 9'3" length.

SUP General / Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
« on: December 12, 2020, 06:04:24 AM »
This message is going to have three videos in it.

The first video is with CJ Nelson on why he designed the Parallax for "enjoyment".

The second video is a person who has a CJ Nelson "Classic" and the Parallax feels totally different. The Parallax is a fast longboard that can be turned mid board. This would be perfect for the tiny to small waves I usually encounter.

The Parallax in this video is 9'6" in length, but the guy doing the recording says it is a 9'5" length. At the end of the video, the specs are shown and I stopped the video and looking at the specs, it is a 9'6" length.

The last video is a review of the Parallax 9'6" by REAL Watersports. In this video, the board was fitted with a 9.0" fin and they didn't like it. The board was then fitted with a 8.5" fin and both guys liked this fin for the wave conditions they found for the day of this review.

For me at my weight and with our wind driven waves on the upper Texas coast, the fast single fin longboard would be a good in the same vein as the Harley Ingleby HI4 with 5 fin boxes.

SUP General / Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
« on: December 12, 2020, 05:35:29 AM »
I enjoy surfing a single fin on a cruiser longboard, it is all about trim and glide. Turning a wide single fin is pivot turning which is actually a little harder than standing over a tri fin or quad set and leaning. I should not say you can't turn a single fin from the back 1/2 of the board it is just more of a swoop, than any sort of quick turn (unless its a pivot turn).

Like you, I also like long cruiser type of boards whether they be prone or sup boards. When I was a teenager (15 years old, circa 1965), my first prone surfboard was a 9' in length with one single fin. Since there were no fin boxes back then, the single fin was "glassed in" so one couldn't move the fin back or forward.

On this style of board, my type of surfing would be considered "boring" because I just like to cruise (trim and glide). But with the advent of fin boxes and different types of materials for boards and how they are built, they are endless possibilities on how to make a very fast mid length or fast longboard with one single fin.

As an example. CJ Nelson is a power surfer even though he is not that big weight wise. His fastest mid length board is a model named the "Outlier". This board is very fast with the right type of waves. He normally rides it in a 7'6" length, but he has a video of him surfing his 8'0" model (8'0" x 22 1/2" x 3 1/8" @ 59.7 liters) at the Surf Ranch in California which I'm going to show in the video below.

He is turning the board at the middle of the board when he is just gliding down the wave. This is how I turned my old prone surfboard when I was a teenager and how I turn my two 10'5" Dukes and my 11'1" One World sups.

The fin that he is using on this Outlier 8' board is a 9.5" Flying Diamonds "Involvement" fin in G-10 material and I will list in a second video where explains why he uses this fin on this board. But the Outlier can be finicky to tune fin wise depending on various factors. I also show a third video on how this board can be finicky.

The first video is below and he can really surf his 8' board with his 9.5" fin.

The second video has a lot of "specific details" in it and details are right up my alley if you get my drift.

The last video is where the "average surfer" found it a little difficult to find the right fin for his 7'6" Outlier and he finally found, with his style and the type of waves he usually surfs, a 9.0" fin works best for him. The guy behind the camera has a 8.0" Outlier and he surfs it with a 8.5" fin.

Since this message is getting long, I'm going to make another message and show casing the CJ Nelso "Parallax".

Sunova SUP / Re: Review of Sean Poynters competition groveler SP25
« on: December 11, 2020, 07:53:04 AM »
Nice video!

You don't see too many video with people surfing gutless little waves. I enjoyed watching you surfing them in your new board since I have many days on the upper Texas coast with waves like that.

Your new board handles these types of waves very well with your personal stats.

Thanks for sharing this video and all the videos you share.

SUP General / Re: Surfboards (Longboards)
« on: December 11, 2020, 07:22:14 AM »
Thought I would resurrect this topic.

After looking at many brands of surfboards and finally making a decision on what surfboard I wanted, I chose the Harley Ingleby HI4 (9'3" x 23" x 2 7/8" @ 70 Liters) with 5 fin boxes in Thunderbolt "Red" construction and this construction is better suited for the waves I would encounter on the upper Texas coast.

Unfortunately because of the pandemic, it seems everyone who likes to surf, they have bought out just about every surfboard at every dealer no matter the brand. Bummer!

With lots of time on my hands, I waited a few months and still, the Harley Ingleby dealers still do not have this particular model in stock. So I kept my routine of watching the streaming webcams on the upper Texas coast.

While watching the 43rd Str webcam on the Galveston Seawall, I spied a lifeguard's truck on the beach and on top of the raised racks, there was a single fin surfboard which the lifeguard uses and this gave me another idea.

BTW, the link to the streaming webcam is below and this camera can be controlled. The controls are at the bottom right hand corner and the positions are at the upper right corner when you have control of the camera.

I called the city of Galveston and talked with someone in the City Parks Department and wanted some info on the single fin surfboards all of their lifeguards use. Specifically I wanted to talk to a lifeguard on what length board they use, brand name and model and length and type of fin which is installed on those boards.

I left my name and phone number hoping a lifeguard would return my call. As luck would have it, a lifeguard did call me back. I picked the lifeguard's brain because I asked a lot of "detailed" questions which took 30 minutes of time.

The lifeguard told me the city issues him a 9' longboard with a single fin and the fin was either a 9" or a 9.5" since they had a choice. The fin which they use was a fin designed for "speed" since the waves on the Galveston beachfront are tiny, small and medium depending on various factors.

The lifeguard knew of my choice and also knew about Thunderbolt Technologies which builds boards in Black, Red and Silver construction. He agreed with me in Red Thunderbolt for our waves on the upper Texas coast. But, he told me I should re-visit a board with a single fin.

He told me there is a man named CJ Nelson who builds some very fast single fin longboards with Black, Red and Silver construction. And Firewire carries many of his models, but at the moment, they don't have any of his boards in stock since they are all sold out of everyone of his models they carry.

He told me CJ made a 39 minute video with the Firewire representative where he discussed surfing and many of his newest models (Outlier, Parallax, Neo Classic, Sprout) and every one of models have a single fin. He sent me, via email, a link to it. It is quite informative.

He told me he thought either the Parallax model in either the 9'3" x 23 1/2" x 3 3/16" @ 78.8 liters or the 9'6" x 23 3/4" x 3 1/4" @ 81.4 liters would be a very good choice for me at my 145 pound weight. The crapshoot would be the length and type of fin, but length wise, he said I could cover all of my bases with five lengths which are 8.5", 9.0", 9.5", 10" and 10.5".

The position of the single fin in the center box is also important depending on the size and type of wave. Near the front of the box for a looser and faster speed or at the back of the box for less speed and more stability.

I thanked the lifeguard for his time, knowledge and patience with me since the call was 30 minutes in length. The lifeguard was gracious and told me if I had any more questions to give him a call because he enjoyed talking about surfing.

Sessions / Re: Cold Fronts, Late Fall 2020
« on: December 08, 2020, 11:02:19 AM »
I don't mind wearing a wetsuit. I could wear one all day. The key for me to staying warm is to put my wetsuit on at home. That pre-heats it so that when I get there I can just grab my board and go. I would totally freeze if I had to suit up at the beach like a lot of people do. I drive home in my wetsuit too. It just makes the whole process easier. Most of the places I surf are within 40 minutes of my house.

I "might" have to try a wetsuit. Our water temperatures down at Surfside (Freeport) don't get that cold in the winter time. Once the water temperature goes below 66 degrees F, since I don't wear a wetsuit, I put myself in "drydock", if you get my drift, for the winter.

Below is a table which give the average water temperature for the Texas coast for the up coming 6 months. Check out the one that says, "Freeport".

Sessions / Re: Cold Fronts, Late Fall 2020
« on: December 08, 2020, 04:09:35 AM »
@ Cookie

I envy you people who can go out sup surfing in cold air and cold water. I'm a wuss in those conditions and to top it off, I don't like wearing a wetsuit.

But for you guys who can take those air and water temperatures, I salute you.

And I do like you showing your 4 fin quad setup for you board in the beginning of your video. Thanks for sharing your videos. It is a pleasure to watch them.

@ marvinhecht

My Gerry Lopez GL2s are honeycomb. And they are stiff. They are stiff because:

1) My Dukes are 10'5" in length, 32" wide and 190 liters
2) I weigh 145 pounds

Where I sup surf down on the upper Texas coast, we have tiny to small waves which are the norm here since our waves are wind driven and many times, they are mushy and/or choppy. Our beachfront, you can walk out 50 yards out from the beach and be in waist deep water.

With our waves, whether a prone surf board or a sup board, one needs a good amount of volume in their board to ride the kinds of waves which I normally encounter.

With a large liter board like the Duke, in order to generate speed to catch and ride these types of waves, the quad 4 fin setup works great for me. If I would have chosen fins with more flex, they wouldn't work well in turning a large liter board like the Duke at my light physical weight.

Many times I'm at Surfside and the waves are only 2' in height. There are no prone surfers on their short boards out there since many of their boards are less than 6' in length and I would guess around 23-46 liters of volume depending on their surf boards width.

So a prone surfer at 175 pounds or more just can't really catch a wave. And if he can, he has to "pump his legs" to generate enough speed to continue riding these small waves. That is a lot of work and too much work for the reward if you get my drift. I just like the glide I get when I'm riding the small waves because my boards have lots of volume in them.

As a bonus, when the waves are small, I have the entire beach surf zone to myself with no prone surfers anywhere.

Most sup people on this site, they weigh more than the liters of volume in their boards. But when it comes to tiny and small waves, I have more volume in my two long sup boards (11'1" One World @ 173 liters and my two 10'5" Dukes @ 190 liters) than what I weigh (145 pounds). As you can tell, I don't follow conventional wisdom.

If push comes to shove, with my Dukes, I can ride knee high waves or a 1' wave which is calf high on my leg for me. One things about the GL2's. When set up with a 4 fin quad on a long and large volume sup, they really work great when the waves are waist high to head high.

When I bought my first Duke, I think I got the last GL2's in Blue Planet's shop. When I bought my second Duke, I had to hunt all over the internet to find the second set identical to my first ones in look. I was very lucky to find them. But my second set, the place that had them, only had one set left in stock.

Below is my a photo of my second set of GL2s showing the center fin. BTW, the center fin is the exact same height as my front side bites. Just hope the photo shows up.

Technique / Re: Paddle length for workouts
« on: November 30, 2020, 04:52:19 AM »
Being retired and with a lot of time on my hands, I've been going flat water paddling two times at week for the past couple of months. I'm 5'8" (68") and was using my adjustable length paddle set at 74". BTW, my paddle is a 75 square inch blade.

But I've been using a semi surf stance and I've been shortening the length of my paddle. I'm very comfortable now using a 70.5" length.

SUP General / Re: To my SUP family
« on: November 26, 2020, 02:23:17 PM »
Thanks for making this video of yours on this Thanksgiving. What you feel on this day is exactly what I feel when I'm on my sup boards.

Sessions / Re: Perfect Fall surf session at Church
« on: November 06, 2020, 06:13:15 AM »
Nice fun type waves for sup surfing. Gotta love waves like that. Just about every one can be ridden.

Sessions / Re: Hurricane Zeta
« on: October 31, 2020, 08:11:37 AM »
@ Cookie

Your Fall sup surfing sessions have been very good to you. There is one more tropical wave in the Caribbean and it might develop into a storm and head your way.

BTW, nice pictures.

Sessions / Re: Hurricane Epsilon Swell- Day Three
« on: October 25, 2020, 09:10:36 AM »
@ Cookie

Since you took three different boards on on three different sessions, which board did you like best if you had to do a comparison?

Sessions / Re: Local Summer October Morning
« on: October 13, 2020, 04:29:53 AM »
I enjoyed our "fine October morning" sup surfing. Great waves to surf. I always enjoy watching your videos.

And at the end of the video, thanks for turning to board to show the 4 fin quad setup you were using on your board. This setup looks to be working well for you.

Again, thanks for sharing your videos.

Sessions / Re: Fresh fall swells
« on: October 13, 2020, 04:21:18 AM »
Those were some awesome waves to surf. And to top it off, not too many people there to take advantage of those waves. Thanks for also showing the 4 fin quad fin setup you were using on your Blane Chambers board.

One question though. The background music. What is the band and what song were they singing?

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