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Gear Talk / Re: Brian Syzmanski must be an evil genius
« on: July 06, 2011, 04:12:46 PM »
I'm talking pure speed in the flat water conditions when there is little chance for chop.  No scuppers even needed (racing sculls don't have scuppers), and you don't fall off, which I don't see the good guys doing much of.

When there's big enough footwells to sit in, it's a boat/canoe to me.  You just happen to be standing.

There's got to be design limits.  It's getting too loose in regards for racing.  Look what happened in the America's Cup years back, for a while all the boats were the same, then someone figured out there wasn't a strict length or hull criteria and giant catamerans showed up and a few 100' long sailboats.  It got out of control and they tightened everything up to make it more "apples-to-apples."  This whole deepwell thing is starting to get "apples-to-oranges."  SUP-to-SUC (stand up canoes).

I gave up canoeing years ago, ain't going back.


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Gear Talk / Re: Brian Syzmanski must be an evil genius
« on: July 06, 2011, 03:57:40 PM »
Robon - It has nothing to do with purity, and your statement that if you can stand on it and it was designed so then it's a SUP is complete bunk.  I can make a canoe to stand in, is it a SUP?  I can make a racing scull to stand in it, is it a SUP?  Not buying it.

All I'm saying is that this trend (deep footwells and speed) will only end in one logical place.....standing in a racing scull hull shell.

You might can call it Stand Up Paddling, but it's not a Stand Up Board.

It's the "board" that set us apart, not the "boat."

I'd put money that your feet are below the waterline.  On my 5" thick 14'er with a slightly shaved down standing area my feet are probably 2" above the waterline, the deep footwells of the Starboards got to be below the waterline.


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Gear Talk / Re: Brian Syzmanski must be an evil genius
« on: July 06, 2011, 05:34:45 AM »
The sooner deep foot wells are banned the better.

At what point does a SUP turn into a Stand Up Canoe (SUC)?

Right, I get it, the Starboards are fast and we all want to go faster.  And they're faster only because they're more narrow, and are only more narrow because they're dropping the center of gravity below the waterline.  An above the waterline SUP will never be able to compete.

Is this the path we want SUP design to trend down?  Racing in boats?  Because that's where this is heading.  Look at the craft Mark (from SIC) raced in the 10-City Tour (in Holland) a few years back.  He was standing up in a racing scull.

I'm hoping that SUP will establish a rule banning any part of the body to be below the waterline.  Manufactures will have provide the public with what rider weights will sink the standing area below the waterline and that riders will have to weigh in at races.  No big deal.

I'd rather step on a scale at a race than into a boat.   

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Gear Talk / Re: Brian Syzmanski must be an evil genius
« on: July 01, 2011, 07:58:33 PM »
Sure was throwing lots of bow wake.  Every stroke it seemed the bow would drop just a hair and drive down into the water throwing the spray.  Can't be doing nothing but slowing down.

For pure speed on the flat water I'm not buying into the bow design.  Too much volume and nose rocker.  In the 14' and 12'6" classes every inch of waterline on the correct design translates into speed.  This board has about 12" of nose not even in the water.  As far as marine design goes that's a disadvantage, no way around it.


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The Shape Shack / Re: First 14' SUP Race Board Attempt
« on: June 23, 2011, 09:46:49 AM »
Orto -  Yes, try and get your hands on a video or youtube of someone glassing.  Typically when you lay out your dry cloth on top of the board prior to glassing it, you'll trim the fabric so that the cloth wraps over the sides of your board then has enough to wrap underneath onto the bottom flat portion of the board by about an inch or two  (same process on both sides).  This cloth all gets wetted out with your resin when you laminate and with a plastic sqeegee you'll wrap the cloth pressing it to the foam blank.

Nothing should be "hanging dried off the other side."

Dave

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The Shape Shack / Re: Tint tips
« on: June 13, 2011, 06:58:17 AM »
When I tried only tinting the hot coat I got very uneven color because in some areas I sanded through the hot coat or very close to sanding through and I lost all my color in areas giving the board a "blotchy" look.  I've sinced changed my process and now tint my lam job and then tint my hot coat.  I get very good results.  I don't tint the gloss coat.

Stay away from dark tints, they're harder to get good color, plus they heat up big time in the sun.  Keep to light yellows, oranges, and you'll have more success.  Swirls will even hide mistakes better.

There's different tint for polyester and epoxy, make sure to get the right one.  And don't use too much, it only takes about a tablespoon to tint 32 oz of epoxy.   Read the directions.

Dave

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The Shape Shack / Re: First 14' SUP Race Board Attempt
« on: June 03, 2011, 06:30:12 AM »
SUPerb - Where are you located?

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The Shape Shack / Re: First 14' SUP Race Board Attempt
« on: May 30, 2011, 08:06:51 PM »
It's used for repairing holes or damage to walls (drywall).  It's found at any hardware store.

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Gear Talk / Re: My Imagine 14 by 25 racer coming together...
« on: May 20, 2011, 01:32:45 PM »
It's hard to tell from the photos but it looks like it has a very piercing bow shape with little raised volume just aft of the nose.  I'd be surprised if it doesn't have a delayed resurfing problem after it pierces a wave.

(see lazymodo board in the shape shack discussion, same problem).

Please post your results after some test runs as the jury is still out on this design concept, as a backyard shaper I'm too cheap to figure it out on my own nickle.  

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Gear Talk / Re: Better paddles
« on: May 17, 2011, 09:14:22 PM »
In regards to Zaveral Racing, it might help if their marketing department changed their descriptive wording from "stand up canoe paddle" to just "stand up paddle," it's a small thing but enough of a turnoff to most sup'ers. 

Also they use the tag "Faster, lighter, stronger," while QB uses "Strongest, lighest, fastest," kinda similar, who was first

Does look like a nice padle though, and I like that you have the option of altering your blade angle, very cool, even for an additional $25.

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The Shape Shack / Re: First Race Board made in the UK by me!
« on: May 17, 2011, 08:57:10 PM »
lazymodo -  Look at the bright side, now you have the perfect opportunity to go back and glass on a killer viking-esh war nose on your 16'er to get her "fixed."  It'll ride high and scare your competitors.

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The Shape Shack / Re: First Race Board made in the UK by me!
« on: May 17, 2011, 08:48:41 PM »
All other issues aside, regarding moving the widest point forward of center, your hull shape becomes a "fish" instead of "swede" and the swede shape is faster.  150 years of skulling/rowing has proven it.

I think SUP shapers might have to go through their own learning curve, but for my racing SUP hull I'm sticking with the swede form.  Widest point aft of center.

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Gear Talk / Re: Better paddles
« on: May 16, 2011, 07:17:36 AM »
Pono - you're taking about 5,000 strokes per mile?  That means your moving all of about 1' per stroke?

I think using 40 - 45 strokes per minute, and doing a 14 minute mile, strokes per mile is about 567.  For two miles 1,134.

I'll assume you were using the 10,000 number in jest.

D

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SUP General / Re: Glass vs. Chop
« on: May 13, 2011, 02:49:36 PM »
I live in the windiest city in the U.S. (the central Texas coast, we over took Chicago last year).  Here's my strategy for when I'm SUP surfing. 

1.  Paddle as often as you can in the slop.  Practice makes perfect.  Figure out what is your highest wind speed you can do it in, and monitor the winds on line before you go, yes there is a maximum.
2.  Keep low as others have posted.  I do quite a bit of sitting and moving around while seated.  No sense in wasting a ton of eneregy and frustration trying to stand 100 % of the time keeping in position.
3.  Keep you board parrallel to the waves so that you're not having to turn 180 degrees to catch the wave, it's a hell of a lot easier to just have to turn 90 degrees in slop.
4.  Beware!!!  Surf sup'ing in the wind is ten-fold as dangerous.  A loose board can get caught by the wind and turn into a wind-missle in a nano-second.  One second you do a sloppy exit kick out and the next second your board has just whizzed past your head at 25 mph.  No lie, be ready, these things turn into large sails when unrighted.  Cover your head!
5.  In hard offshore winds, you'll have to put yourself right at the takeoff zone as it's tough to generate speed.  Move up on the front of the board to keep your nose down. 

Repeat on many windy days, after the wind drops you'll be laughing.

Dave

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SUP General / Re: Pissy little bugger
« on: May 12, 2011, 08:55:43 PM »
I heard it was a vasectomy reversal, don't know if that's true???

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