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Gear Talk / Re: Rawson Vs SIMSUP- Wich surf the best??
« on: September 09, 2014, 01:41:50 PM »
I've been digging around this week for reviews on the SIMSUP.  Here are a couple that I've found.

http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,24248.0.html

http://srfnff.blogspot.ca/2014/03/board-review-original-simsup-s3s5.html


Here's the huge Simmons thread:
http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,18584.0.html

A couple cool vids of Kirk (L41) surfing a SIMSUP:




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Gear Talk / Re: Advice: CM RAW vs Prowave vs Hero vs Wide Point vs Hokua
« on: September 09, 2014, 01:30:30 PM »
Thanks Creek

Well, with all the advice and poking around, I've definitely narrowed things down.  I'm liking the idea of a Simmons-style and a traditional performance-oriented shape (with a little extra stability). I will take my time and make sure to demo before pulling the trigger (even if it means travelling for a demo road show).

If things go well this weekend, I'll likely drop Kirk at L41 an email; if things don't, I might head to India to try to find enlightenment like the Beatles in '68.  :-\

Here's an update of my nerdy quiver pic.  Going through this process reminded me how much I enjoy working with shapers, so if all goes well this weekend (and then with getting a SIMS), I might go custom with the traditional shape as well when the time comes (but can't wait to read some reviews on the new Allwave shapes....Creek, I'm looking at you).



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Gear Talk / Re: Advice: CM RAW vs Prowave vs Hero vs Wide Point vs Hokua
« on: September 08, 2014, 02:20:22 PM »
Thanks Sano.

Ya, it's been a rough ride for the past while.  I call 2012 & 2013 the sh-t storm.  I'm still feeling the after effects, but hopefully things start looking up. Surfing is likely out, but getting back on a SUP two weeks ago was a game-changer for me (even just on flat water).  Got pretty emotional about it all to tell you the truth.  I'm pretty nervous for this coming weekend as it'll be my first paddle out into a break.  Fingers crossed.

I've heard analysis paralysis tossed round this forum a few times.  I'm hoping to go hard with the analysis, without the paralysis.  It took me 4+ years to figure out my surfboard quiver.  Went through quite a few boards in that time.  I want to avoid that here.  I won't get out SUSing as much as many of you, so I'm hoping I can lock into a 1 or 2 board quiver that will do me for a while (ya, I say that now....I know how this goes). 

As I was figuring out my surfboard quiver, I went through a lot of boards that were under-volumed.  That's probably why I do have some focus there.  I don't want to make that mistake again.  But ya, I do understand there are a lot of variables that come into play when it comes to stability and maneuverability. It's mind-blowing to see all the new SUS designs and trends--they've come a long way from 2009 (when I was last paying attention).

After all the advice and reading this past week, I'm currently leaning towards a 2-board quiver.  One being a Simmons-inspired shape and the other a traditional performance shape.  If things go well this weekend, I think I'll start with the Simmons (and then start looking into a traditional performance shape after I get some time in the water to see where I'm at). 

A buddy and I are talking about heading to CA for an extended weekend for a bit of a demo tour: Santa Cruz for a SIMSUP (liking the look of the ST), and Santa Barbara for a try on the Hammer. I'm going to make sure to demo before making any decision.  Any other shapers along the LA-San Fran corridor that I shouldn't miss for a Simsdemo?

Thanks for all the advice guys...the more the better (and feel free to keep it coming).

By the way, here's a pic of me 3 weeks before the sh-t storm started in 2012.  I'm riding a 7'2 x 21" Bonzer Egg shaped for me by Malcolm Campbell.  It was a really fun board, but once I jumped on a McCoy Nugget, I had found "the one".

 

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I'm seriously thinking about going this direction (SIMSUP ST) for a small wave beach break board (double over-ankle to shoulder high, likely with some chop).

AJAR, how's it gone for you over the summer?  Any other review bits you could share now that you've had some time on it?

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Gear Talk / Re: Advice: CM RAW vs Prowave vs Hero vs Wide Point vs Hokua
« on: September 07, 2014, 04:34:18 PM »
I talked a bit earlier about how I liked my McCoy Nugget when I was prone surfing.  After the mention of the Hammer (thanks Slatch), I've been digging around looking at Simmons-inspired SUPs. 

It turns out, SUPSports (maker of the Hammer) has made a SUP inspired by McCoy.  He called it the Jammer.

http://blog.surfingsports.com/2014/08/jammer.html#.VAzpFPk7u-M

http://blog.surfingsports.com/2010/12/the-jammer-86.html#.VAzqwfk7u-M

Has anyone heard anything about the Jammer (or better yet, tried one)?

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Gear Talk / Re: Advice: CM RAW vs Prowave vs Hero vs Wide Point vs Hokua
« on: September 07, 2014, 12:41:22 AM »
Thanks AJR.  I found the review.

http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,24248.0.html

When I was surfing, after quite a bit of experimenting, I ended up with two-board quiver--a short/thick/wide turner and a glide/trimming longboard.  If things go OK for me recovery-wise this year, and I am able to get back out there on a SUP, I'm guessing a two-board SUP quiver might be the way to go as well.    ....and so it begins.....

These Simmons-inspired SUPs look super fun. Hope I can find one to try at some point.

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Gear Talk / Re: Advice: CM RAW vs Prowave vs Hero vs Wide Point vs Hokua
« on: September 06, 2014, 07:31:22 PM »
If I use the Guild Table for SUPs, I'd aim for a board around 130 litres (with some extra width to help with balance).

http://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/SUP/Board-volume-for-weight/

140 lbs (rider) + 15 lbs (wetsuit) = 155 lbs
155 lbs * 0.45 = 70 kg

If I go in as an intermediate:
70 kg * 1.7 = 119 litres

If I go in as a beginner:
70 kg * 2 = 140 litres

I would have considered myself an intermediate before my injuries.  I think I still have more in me than a beginner.  So if I split the difference, the Guild Table would put me on a 130 litre board.

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Gear Talk / Re: Advice: CM RAW vs Prowave vs Hero vs Wide Point vs Hokua
« on: September 05, 2014, 08:07:32 PM »
Awesome.  Thanks Creek

Lots to chew on there.  I appreciate your take on the new RAWs--I do think I'd want a bit of concave in the nose--I liked the concave on my longboard.  And I didn't realize the two Starboard designs were starting to get long in the tooth. Good to know.

I clearly need to get on some modern boards to get sense of stability.  I would have never considered the 8'5" Allwave or 9'2" Prowave (or similar sized Hokua).  My only reference are ones from 5+ years ago.  When I was last buying a SUP, 28" wide seemed super wide and 9'5" seemed short. 

Before my injuries, I had finally gotten my surf equipment dialed.  I was down to a 2-board quiver that worked really well for me (9' longboard & 6'6" Nugget).  Now, I'm starting all over again.  ....but it's fun re-learning all the gear.

And I have to say, I am a bit intrigued by the Hammer (as suggested by Slatch).  I loved my wide-tailed Nugget and am curious as to what a wide-tailed SUP would feel like. And for a while, I also surfed a 7'2" Malcolm Campbell Bonzer Egg, so I appreciate the deep channels in the Hammer.  Ah gear...so good.

Before I started really digging into the forums this week, I had started leaning towards the 2015 8'11" Allwave (watched that video a bunch of times).  After seeing your review, I thought the 9'6" Prowave might be even better for me.  I did notice that people my size were on boards with much less volume.  As mrbig said: "Skinny guys with balance issues need whatever width solves THEIR problems".  I gotta get on some demos (if I can find them)...lots of new variables for me to figure out.  Thanks all.

...and Creek, if you get a chance to try that new 8'5" Allwave, let us know!

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Gear Talk / Re: Advice: CM RAW vs Prowave vs Hero vs Wide Point vs Hokua
« on: September 05, 2014, 04:30:48 PM »
Hey big, if you could have one board to cover these conditions, what would you choose?  I know we're all different, but I'm curious which one out of your quiver you would choose.

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A board for surfing only.  ...from 2' mushy beach breaks to head high points with some nice face.  ...mostly waist to chest high beach break.  No barrels.  Nothing too crazy.  ...some chop and some wind.  A board that will paddle well enough to get into waves before they get too peaky. A board that will get it on rail a bit, but nothing crazy.  Smooth bottom turn, pump on the face, maybe a long drawn out cutback.

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Gear Talk / Re: Advice: CM RAW vs Prowave vs Hero vs Wide Point vs Hokua
« on: September 05, 2014, 03:09:28 PM »
Thanks Slatch.  No, I appreciate all advice.  Funny that you mention the Hammer--I was just looking their site for the first time a few minutes ago.  Very intriguing.  When I was prone surfing, I fell in love with the McCoy Nugget.  I loved the short/wide/thick design with the big tail--loved the feeling of the bottom turn off the tail.

How does the Hammer surf on a walled up head-high point break?  Does it surf OK off the tail?  Looking at the sizes, if I went that direction, I'd probably go either 8'5" x 31, 140L or 8'11" x 31, 148L.

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Gear Talk / Re: Advice: CM RAW vs Prowave vs Hero vs Wide Point vs Hokua
« on: September 05, 2014, 02:08:51 PM »
Thanks big

Ya, I still have my 10' x 27" Laird.  I was out on it a couple of weeks ago and I have no problem paddling it and balancing on it in flat water (not much different than before I started flying with one engine if you know what I mean).   I also had it out in some pretty rough wind chop (1 foot @ 2 seconds!).  It was a bit of a challenge, but manageable.  Not sure I'd want to take it out in surf anymore though (used to be no problem).  I'll know a bit more about where I'm at after next weekend.

I'm going to get a chance to try a 10'6" x 28.5" 168 litre C4, a 10'6" x 32" 178 litre Starboard Wide Point and a 10' x 32" 190 litre Naish Mana next weekend, but I'm pretty sure they are going to be tanks for me.  I tried a 10' x 34" 168 litre Starboard Whopper two weeks ago and I felt like I was on a couch.  My friends are all quite a bit bigger than me!  Before I do buy, I'll try my best to see if I can find a 140-150 litre board to try as I've never stepped on a board under 150 litres that is over 27" wide.  I'm looking forward to see the gain in stability going from a 27"wide to a 29-32" and how that effects the volume I need.   I wouldn't want less volume on my 27" wide Laird, but maybe with some extra width, I'll be able to handle less volume.

Weight is also on my mind more than before.  With my back, less weight (to carry and torque) is more important.   It's probably gonna cost me more but it's a necessary evil under the circumstances.

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Gear Talk / Re: Advice: CM RAW vs Prowave vs Hero vs Wide Point vs Hokua
« on: September 05, 2014, 01:14:46 PM »
Thanks nacho. I appreciate the response. 

I hadn't really considered the normal Hokua.  I just looked at the X32.  Your thoughts kind of reflect supthecreek's thoughts on moving from an 8'11" Allwave to the 9'6" Prowave for better surfing (which is why I ruled out the 8'11" Allwave for the 9'6" Prowave).  I'll definitely throw the 9'5" Hokua into the mix.  Sounds like it is working for you in similar way as to what I'm looking for.

I just found your review.  I''ll go check it out: http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,23861.msg240845.html

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supthecreek, this was a fantastic review.  Thanks for putting in the time.  This (and some of your other write-ups) have really helped me narrow down my current search.  If you have a minute, I'd love some of your insight.  You can see my post at:  http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,25024.0.html

- SA


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Gear Talk / Advice: CM RAW vs Prowave vs Hero vs Wide Point vs Hokua
« on: September 05, 2014, 12:16:33 PM »
Hi all,

I just found this forum and I've thoroughly enjoyed the posts I've read so far.  supthecreek, your reviews have been fantastic. I'm sorting out a purchase and am hoping for some advice.  I'll lay out my (long-winded) situation....

The Rider
- 40, 140 lbs, 5'7"
- Surfed 5 years (from 34-38) and SUPed for 3 years (36-38)
- Considered myself a low-intermediate

Injury #1
A virus took out my left vestibular system when I was 38 (2012).  Couldn't walk for 3 weeks, couldn't drive for 6 months.  My balance is now compromised, but after 2-3 years, I've adjusted and things are better. I got back on my longboard a year after the incident, but shortly after my second session back, I injured my back.

Injury #2
I injured the L4/L5 region in my back when I was 39 (2013)--disc and ligaments.  It's been 18 months and it's still quite bad.  There is no chance for me to prone surf at this point.  After a lot of physio and other treatments, I managed to have a successful SUP in double over-ankle wind swell lake bombs on my old 10' x 27" Surftech Laird last week as a test run. 

Previous Gear
- 10' x 27", 150 litre Surftech Laird SUP
- 9' x 23" Harbour Merlin Longboard
- 6'6" x 22" McCoy Nugget (turned me on to the benefits of short/wide/thick boards)

The Purchase
Based on last week, I think SUPing will be do-able for me and I'd give anything to get back into the water.  I'm going to give it another try next weekend in some waist-high waves (fingers crossed). If things work out, I'll likely be on the lookout for a new SUP.  My last SUP purchase was 5 or so years ago, and Wow!, has SUP design ever changed since I was last paying attention.  It's pretty exciting actually.  Before the injuries, I was leaning more and more towards the shorter/wider/thicker trend that's been happening in the surf world.  Looks like that same trend is happening with surf SUPs.

Currently Under Consideration
After poking around, I've come up with 5 boards:
- Hobie CW RAW: 9'4" x 29.5", 140 ltr
- Fanatic Prowave: 9'6" x 31.25", 153 ltr
- Starboard Hero: 9' x 33", 149 ltr
- Starboard Wide Point: 9'5" x 32", 153 ltr
- Naish Hokua X32: 9'1" x 32", 150 ltr

This board will be for surfing only.  I'll likely get anything from 2' mushy beach breaks to head high points with some nice face.  Mostly will get waist to chest high beach break.  No barrels.  Nothing too crazy.  There likely will be some chop and some wind.  I'm hoping for a board that isn't too much work in the chop (I'm light, but have some balance challenges).  I'd like it to paddle good enough so I can get into waves before they get too peaky--not looking for super late drops.  On the wave, I'd like to get it on rail a bit, but nothing crazy.  Smooth bottom turn, pump on the face, maybe a long drawn out cutback.  No hacking and slashing here. 

I think 150 litres is a good volume for where I'm at.  I don't want a longboard, but think a long "shortboard" might be a good compromise between stability and maneuverability.  I'm leaning toward the Hobie or the Prowave (I have seen supthecreek's video reviews on both of them).  I sort of ruled out the Hokua as I've read that its rocker pushes water and it requires slightly later take-offs than other boards of similar volumes.  The Hero seems a bit too wide for my size (but you never know, maybe one of you has something to say about that). I haven't heard much about the 9'5" Wide Point--it looks like a similar size to the Prowave

It sounds like the Hobie surfs unreal.  From what I've ready, the Hobie might be a little less stable than the Prowave.  Does anyone know if it is a significant difference (for a guy my weight)?  I do like the idea of sitting a little lower in the water and having a bit more refined rails.  But, based on supthecreek's review, the Prowave might be ideal for my needs. I've also seen posts of people talking about non-stock Hobie RAWs.  Do they make customs?  I'm wondering if a 9' or 9'4 x 31" would be ideal for me.

So there you have it.  That's where I'm at.  Just wondering if any of you have any insight for me.  I have a nerdy habit of putting together a to-scale image to compare boards before I buy.  I've tried to attach one here...first post, so I'm not sure if I've attached it right.

 




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