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Random / Re: SonarChart shading
« on: May 25, 2019, 02:53:32 AM »

It looks like it would be useful for navigating bottom contours over a large area but how detailed is the shading when you zoom in?



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Gear Talk / Re: Hokua GSX 9'6" and Alana GSX 9'6" - Same board?
« on: May 25, 2019, 02:34:06 AM »
I'll bet Naish is the only company to ever make a 170 liter surf SUP for women.   ;D

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Sessions / Re: Fun Pre-Memorial Day Weekend AM Session
« on: May 24, 2019, 12:32:22 PM »
I just switched to my 4/3 today. It'll be a while before I can use the 3/2. Still need gloves, boots and occasional hood up here. 

One thing I noticed in the video is that you go right a lot better than I do. The spot where I surf is a left which I like because I'm goofy. I've been surfing there for five years and rarely get the opportunity to go right. I only surf other spots when it's overhead. I really need to work on my rights more.

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sflinux, thanks for going to the trouble of posting that. Very Helpful. I need to incorporate the GF into my board purchases more.

If I had a choice I would have preferred a narrower width but the 32" does come in handy in rough conditions.

I probably should have gone with the 10' Outer Reef but I'm still happy with the 10'6. If anyone wants a brand new 10'6 Outer reef with RSPro, I'll sell this one for $900. Then I can order the 10'.


Subber, the FCS II quad rears on the Outer Reef are flat sided which makes me think they are probably fine to use, but it still makes me wonder why they are labeled rears. The JL quad rears on my Super Frank and Kinetic Racing quad rears on my Flow are 50/50 and I like how they ride.


I haven't surfed for a couple of weeks and was dying to get out this morning so it took it out in some knee to thigh high waves with some heavy offshore winds blowing 20+ mph at a slight angle to the break causing some small chop.

The board handled the conditions really well. I doubt I would have been able to catch any waves or paddle against that wind with my shorter boards. The Vee in the nose actually seemed to help the board cut through the chop. It does look different but doesn't adversely affect the way it surfs at all. I think I'll eventually get used to the way it looks and grow to like it over time.

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Gear Talk / Re: Hokua GSX 9'6" and Alana GSX 9'6" - Same board?
« on: May 24, 2019, 07:08:17 AM »
The Alana is somehow designed for women, but it doesn't really say much about how or why. They do look the same. It doesn't look girly to me.

I would send them an email if no one on the forum knows.

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After surfing the Outer Reef a few times, I'm still happy with the purchase but there are a few things about the design that I would change.

First, it has too much volume. Being 175 pounds, this has been a problem with every board I've ever bought but even more so with big boards. It seems to be an industry wide misconception that big boards need to have a lot of volume. I suppose part of the intention behind it might be to improve flatwater paddling. For surfing, I think it would benefit this design if it had 10 or 20 liters less volume. Yes, it might leave some heavier riders out of the picture, but it would surf better for the majority of riders and still be able to paddle distances fairly easy.

The displacement Vee shape in the nose is more pronounced than it has to be and may not even be necessary. It also detracts from the look of the board.

The arch bar on the tail on this particular board was installed an inch off center. I haven't used it yet so I don't know how much affect it will have on controlling the board but the flaw will always bother me.



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It was not my intention to derail anything. You guys are reading into my comments and imagining some sort of passive aggression that isn't there. All those comments that Rick quoted above seem sound to me. I'm sorry if people are taking them the wrong way. In the future I will try to be more sensitive of how others might be taking what I write.

I'm not perfectly happy with the Outer Reef and am certainly not promoting it over the Point Break, but being a large board, it has something in common with the Point Break and I thought it was relevant to the conversation to bring it up. Running thrusters on boards this big is unusual and is an idea worth exploring.

Now that the Point Break has arrived and we're getting more information on it and seeing videos, I'm intrigued to the idea. That's why I've been asking questions about the volume, rails and any other aspects of the design that separate it from the Search. The Point Break seems like a step in the right direction.

Years ago, I did have the Search 14' for a couple of weeks and used it quite a bit in that time. I still stand behind my comments on that board. My main complaint was and still is that the description of the board on the website is misleading.


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and here we go.... another Badger hi-jack in progress.

I am sorry, but I am done being respectful to you.
you have several threads all about YOUR board.
And yet you must dominate every thread and redirect to YOUR conversation.

and please post a video.... a picture.... something, anything to back up all the words.  On your own thread.


I thought it might be interesting to talk about your Thruster set up. You inspired me to go the same route so I thought I should mention the fins I was going with.   :)




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From another thread.....

I just bought a 4 3/4" +- FCS II Thruster set for the Outer Reef. This should speed it up a bit. I also bought an inexpensive 6 inch Futures center fin just to play around with and see how it affects it.

It came with a big 9 inch longboard fin with two small quad rears and it felt over finned. I've never understood the reasoning behind having big fins on longer boards. I don't think board length affects fin dynamics all that much, at least for the way I surf.


The ad copy for the Outer Reef states... " custom 9″ TCPS single fin thatís big enough to offer an efficient flat-water stroke rate, while still allowing for easy turning."

So if you don't care about flat water tracking... 

Also, how big (tall/deep) are the quad rears that came with the board? Interesting to know if those supplied are the same size as the "recommended" 4.26" quad rears that you are urged to buy separately.   


The quad rears that came with the board are 4.26". I guess they're not really that small.  What bothers me is that they are rears when I would think they should be fronts. There must be a difference or they wouldn't call them different names.

So this is what I ordered. Technically not an actual Thruster set. The blue and white should go well with the board.

4.48 inch FCS II quad fronts.  https://www.surffcs.com/collections/replacements/products/replacement-fcs-ii-performer-fins?variant=7543211982909

4.78 inch FCS II Performer PC Longboard center fin.  https://www.surffcs.com/collections/water-sports-longboard/products/fcs-ii-performer-pc-longboard-centre-fin

6 inch Futures Thermotech Performance center fin. https://futuresfins.com/surfboard-fins/thermotech-performance-6-0.html

I can always throw on the 9 inch and pop off the side bites for flatwater.

 


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The ad copy for the Outer Reef states... " custom 9″ TCPS single fin thatís big enough to offer an efficient flat-water stroke rate, while still allowing for easy turning."

So if you don't care about flat water tracking... 

Also, how big (tall/deep) are the quad rears that came with the board? Interesting to know if those supplied are the same size as the "recommended" 4.26" quad rears that you are urged to buy separately.

Ok back to the stylish Point Break...     


I'll answer your question over on the Outer Reef thread.



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I like that you set it up as Thruster.

I just bought a 4 3/4" +- FCS II Thruster set for the Outer Reef. This should speed it up a bit. I also bought an inexpensive 6 inch Futures center fin just to play around with and see how it affects it.

It came with a big 9 inch longboard fin with two small quad rears and it felt over finned. I've never understood the reasoning behind having big fins on longer boards. I don't think board length affects fin dynamics all that much, at least for the way I surf.

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I can see how the overall outline and tail and nose widths would change with the board being 2 inches wider.

How are the rails different?

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So, other than being 2 inches wider, 20 liters more volume and more fin boxes, how is the Point Break different from the standard all around Search 12?

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Looking at the picture of Rick paddling in the harbor, he seems to be the perfect rider weight for this board.

199 liters is a lot of volume. I imagine it might be a bit floaty for someone under 200 pounds.

A 170 -180 liter version for lighter riders would be cool.

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Technique / Re: Getting Shacked
« on: May 22, 2019, 12:58:04 AM »
It bothers me to see someone holding the paddle in one hand while surfing. It looks dorky.

I never worry about falling on the paddle but I suppose it could happen. I remember when I started surfing, I was always falling on the board and getting hit by it in the whitewater. Now I am conscious of where the board is at all times and automatically know to fall away from it. It's the same with the paddle. After a while, it becomes automatic how you fall with it. I think there are too many variations to actually apply a technique to it.

Are you still surfing that downwind board or did you finally get a dedicated surf SUP?

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