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General Discussion / Re: Finally.....
« on: September 13, 2007, 03:30:23 AM »
Hey DW-

What does it mean when a board is said to have "double vacuum bag" construction? I've got an SOS Red and, from a totally unbiased point of view (nobody's giving me anything)- that board has the best pop-out construction of any other pop out I've seen out there- some are put together very bad. At first I babied it- now I just drop it into the truck bed, bang it off the fence and shove it into the rack- other then a scratched nose, from sliding it around, the thing is intact.

A sandwich board is glassed twice when built by hand. There is glass under the PVC foam and over it (the surface layer). So you could bag it twice. Some factorys use molds instead of bagging for the final step.

Durability of pop outs is usually a function of the PVC under the skin in my experience. It can range from thin to thick. How thick the PVC was that wraps the rail, if it does wrap the rail, all are critcal to the boards ability to bounce off hard objects when you smack it. Assuming everyone is using similar glass layups.


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Gear Talk / Re: Board buying advice please.
« on: September 12, 2007, 02:10:38 PM »
Thanks for the answers. Maybe I can explain my launch site a little better. There is a 100 step stairway down the cliff to the launch site. I carry my board & paddle over my head & this works ok. The bottom of the stairs ends on a rock. At tides over 6 ft, the water is right even with the top and with tide over 4 feet, you can jump in with your board in between sets (hopefully). Getting out is the tricky part here. At tides less than 3 foot; you need to climb down the rock holding on to your board. This is the usual situation and this is where I think a handle would help.
Re-sailing. Iím sure I would use the board 90% of the time for standup paddling, but often times there is more wind than what would be comfortable paddling, but not enough wind to sail a performance sailboard. I just donít want all those waves to go unridden.


Tom, some of my best days paddle surfing are in high winds. I've learned about down winders  ;D Sick fun. A strong side shore wind stabilizes me, then I drift parallel to shore searching the horizon for the monster sets.  ;D

I've skipped several high wind kitesurfing sessions for paddling. Some of my friends think I've gone mad. If they only knew the fun I was having.

My technique for hauling my board around is to bend my elbow to form a Vee shaped board carrying saddle with my arm. Then rest the bottom of the board on my shoulder and side of head. Hand lays flat on the deck pad. I have excellent control of the board and only need one hand. The other is free for the paddle or to help the balance when I climbed over the jetty.

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Gear Talk / Re: Board buying advice please.
« on: September 12, 2007, 10:51:41 AM »
I think www.surfingsports.com orders SOS boards from the factory with mast tracks, even though SOS doesn't support mast tracks in their boards. I guess the guy does enough sales they accommodate him. SOS dealers receive boards direct from Asia anyway, so it probably works for them. No distribution system with SOS.

My buddie bought a SUP with mast track. Before he bought it, I told him about the stoke he would soon feel for paddles. The paddle love that would soon overcome him. He tried it once with a sail. Paddles are addicting. Some may disagree, but think long and hard about it. Many more good boards are out there if you forget the sail. I would never put a sail on mine.

Regarding handles, when I started I thought handles would be great and when I got my board (without handles) I struggled to deal with the beast. Now I don't understand why it was so hard for me back then. I have figured out the secrets to handling the board with ease over any distance or terrain.

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General Discussion / Re: Help, I'm buying too many standup baddleboards!
« on: September 12, 2007, 06:52:49 AM »
Me too.

Ordered my 5th board since May. To think back when I started and was reading ponobill's wonderful Blog, I actually thought, wow Bill buys a lot of boards. Now look at me  ;D

I do have a good excuse. The wife paddles too.

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Gear Talk / Re: deck pad application
« on: September 12, 2007, 03:32:50 AM »
Cleaning a board with car wax sounds odd. When applying spray-on bed liners they recommend washing the car wax off with Xylol first.

I have used Xylol to wash surf wax off my board. You can find this at Lowes, Home Depot, or hardware stores.

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Gear Talk / Re: C4 Boards?
« on: September 11, 2007, 09:16:30 AM »
Just got a C4 10'6" and have only ridden it once for 2.5 mi. paddle in wind chop. I have not surfed it yet, so I can't comment yet on that, but I have been surfing and distance paddling on a 12' Laird, which is 31" wide, and I was really happy with how stable the C4 is.  It is also unbelieveably light compared to my Laird board. The Laird has been really fun to cruise and to surf in 3-4 ft.waves, and it glides unbelievably, but I am really excited to surf the C4, although I am sure I will probably fall a lot initially getting used to it. To start out, I am going to change to a single 9.5" or 10" single fin for stablility on the C4

How much do you weigh? I learned on the Laird, so nice comparison for me.

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Sessions / Re: knee to waist and going off
« on: September 11, 2007, 07:23:26 AM »
last session was knee to waist high and goin off!!!
Funny its always goin off when you SUP.

Yeah, I tell the prone surfers at the office on Monday morning it was epic over the weekend. They look at me like I'm nuts.  ;D

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Gear Talk / Re: Snapped C4 Pohaku paddles
« on: September 10, 2007, 04:39:58 AM »
I wish someone would work with Fiberspar and give us paddles with adjustable length, using their windsurf boom system.

Shorter for waves, longer for cruising, all in one paddle.

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Sessions / Tropical Storm Gabrielle Session
« on: September 09, 2007, 03:43:09 AM »
Yesterday morning everyone along the NC coast was excited by Tropical Storm Gabrielle sitting just off shore. All my SUP buddies hit our favorite spot at sunrise and had the session I've been dreaming about all summer, as I developed my skills in anticipation of the northeasters coming this Fall. It all paid off yesterday morning.  ;D

Later that afternoon I meet up with a prone surfing buddie who was at THE spot to be for prone surfers. He reports sucky conditions with hundreds off surfers packed into a small area all fighting for the same shore break.

Ahh the beauty of SUP, and being able to paddle to secret spots. We were catching waves way off shore and getting rides we've only dreamed about until then.

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General Discussion / Re: C4 Waterman visits San Diego
« on: September 07, 2007, 02:04:42 PM »
Aloha friends,

Yesterday the C4 guys showed up at Cardiff Reef for a board demo and to spread thier great aloha spirit.  Todd Bradley, Dave Parmenter, Archie Kalepa and all of the SoCal rippers were there. 

I hope they come to Surf Expo next week. Don't forget, there is an east coast too. Please........ ;D

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The Shape Shack / Re: Board Design Basics
« on: September 05, 2007, 02:40:58 PM »
K... this is for Chan... your 9'1" is EPS/epoxy right? Does it have a sandwich? Its super light yeah like my PSH?

Was checking out friends beautiful new 10'9" Timpone board and couldnt hardly pick the thing up.

Still trying to get all the manufacturing processes clear in my brain... : )

If you don't mind, I'd like to jump in here. I too was shocked at the weight of a custom EPS/epoxy SUP I recently held in my hands. This board was 10'6 and shaped in CA. Yet I read claims of light EPS/epoxy (non sandwich) customs from some famous shapers. How can this be?

Sandwich is always going to be a pop-out, unless you have deep pockets for a custom vacuum bag job in the US.

My understanding is custom EPS/epoxy "without sandwich" is not as tough, so the glass job must be heavier. So is anyone really doing light boards customs? Maybe everyones idea of light is measured different. Are these light customs, if they exist, prone to dings like a light traditional surfboard? I would not be willing to tolerate a fragile SUP due to the handling issues and increased risk of abuse created by the massive size.

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Gear Talk / Re: what makes a great single-fin fin? (and 2 news ones)
« on: September 04, 2007, 06:59:12 AM »


Thoughts, all, on single-fin fins in general and/or these two in particular?


I have bought a bunch of different fins and tried them. Just for fun. To my surprise, some fins that looked almost identical, had radically different feels under the board.

I guess you can't tell by looking and what we think we know isn't always true. Just buy a few and have fun. I finally found my magic fin. I'm just glad fins are cheap compared to everything else in this sport.  ::)

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Technique / Re: Goofy going regular
« on: September 04, 2007, 06:48:08 AM »
I'm goofy foot and have usually loved surfing backside, taking late drops droped knee and grabbing the rail...

Of some strange reason I paddel my SUP better with the paddle on right side, and espessially when power paddeling into a wave I paddel much stronger and with better balance standing wide regular. Sometimes I jump around to goofy after catching the wave - when I wanna go left. But going right I have converted to regular.

Convertig to regular stance and going right feels just greate. Im suddenly a switch foot. But paddeling regular and jump around to goofy feels stupid. Why not power paddel goofy and stand in my natural stance when taking of. But power paddeling in wide goofy stance just don't work as good for me. I have tried to learn but when I really want a wave I go regular...

I also swing around my board much faster and with better balance standing regular.

Why?

Jesper B

Are you right handed?

I've always believed right handed people "should be" regular foot, regardless of how they came to think they were goofy.  ;D

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Technique / Re: SUP on the cheap
« on: September 04, 2007, 03:25:43 AM »
DW, thanks for tip.  I was able to take out the aluminum mast support bracket.  I put EPS foam in the daggerboard area as well as the mast support brace.  Then, I applied white duct tape.  The EPS is probably soaking up water, but I wanted to test it out with something cheap.  The board is working out okay.  It seems a little tippy, side to side.  I may eventually cut the board down the center and widen it.  Then, assuming the epoxy, foam, and glass weigh  6 pounds, I would be stuck lugging a 50 pound monster around.  Though, I should be able to take two or three pounds off by taking off the plastic from the centerboard area.  It might be an interesting experiment. 

Another interesting thing I found out when walking up and down the 12' monster, I keep tripping over the leash when I cross-step.  I didn't really cross-step before because my boards were shorter and lighter.  I always shuffle if I needed to adjust my weight.  I am not much of a noserider.  However, since I'm now six feet from the rear of the board in a parallel stance, I've got to take a few steps to get to the rear of the board to turn it.  There's also a lot more heavy board out front to move.   

About the board, if I cut it down lengthwise,  I'm wondering if 2 layers of 6oz E-glass on top and bottom, primarily over the new foam, would be enough to hold the right and left sides together.  Right now, I'm not thinking about putting reinforcing dowels or any type of stringer for strength.  I'll probably use Titebond II and pipe clamps to glue a 4" section down the center, then glass it over with the E-glass.   I may ask this question the Swaylocks forum.  I'll probably use the board with the duct tape for another 3 months or so.

I don't think you can cut that board and epoxy it back. The skin is roto molded polyethylene. The core is poured polyurethane. Those board were prone to blowing up in heat. Resin might not stick to that skin.

Any other old windsurfers you probably could cut. They were ASA skin, glass, and EPS cores. But not the one design by Windsurfer.

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Technique / Re: Need help going backside ....
« on: September 01, 2007, 03:06:33 PM »
going frontside is no problem but  backside, i just don't seem to get it, mainly because i can't lean into a turn the way i can frontway.  can anyone offer some suggestions?

I found backside didn't work for me. The board is too big. What I did learn to do, was catch the wave regular foot, then switch to goofy once on the wave. Kinda fun.

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