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Messages - Larry Allison
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« on: July 21, 2018, 03:44:34 PM »
Burchas, I think you misunderstand my intent here.
I am certainly not suggesting that ukgm is wrong. I am completely open-minded on the issue. In fact, if anything I am ready to be convinced: I installed a 3-fin system on my UL board, and found it a tad faster in flat water than the same design but narrower board that has only one fin. I put this down to better tracking while reducing deeper water drag. Nothing more complex than that.
My points instead relate to the conclusions that we can draw from ukgm’s data. Ukgm has, to his credit, spelt these out. But I know very well that people will probably just ignore these critical caveats and jump to conclusions that are not logically justified. And then science (or more probably in this instance, technology) becomes marketing. This is not ukgm’s fault.
Incidentally, I would like to see ukgm rerun his tests on a course that requires “weaving”, or even a circular course. If you install more fins in a board and so it tracks better and is therefore faster in a straight line, this is pretty unremarkable. But the downside of increased tracking can be problems in cross-wind, and increased drag when not going in a straight line. These downsides can easily outweigh the advantages of increased tracking in real-world conditions.
WOW!!! Did you say you installed a 3 fin setup. Great my friend would enjoy seeing and helping you get the placement and fin choices right to get the correct end result. Stoked Area-10!
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« on: July 21, 2018, 03:17:56 PM »
Just to be clear with everyone, let me state what the specification and limitations of my testing involves.
- 8 randomised runs of each fin set up. - Board was 2017 Starboard Allstar, 14ft in a 24.5 width.
Is it the same board with the different fin setups? I always wonder how much drag open fin boxes create?
(I used to tape over my FCS sidebite openings if not being used)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDobr6GecMU&feature=share at these slow speeds water does not notice fin box slots until you reach speed great then12 miles a hour and hold it like windsurfing thats double that. Notice the air bubbles from the paddling goes over the fin box.
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« on: July 20, 2018, 09:43:19 PM »
It has been a fun last 2 months with the market in a fast change. More to share in a few days another board company coming in to market with Allison 4 fins that you will all find interesting a global brand. Dr Wayne riding the StingRay by Liquid Athlete.
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« on: July 20, 2018, 08:37:28 PM »
One of my favorite moments was a the Santa Monica Race a few weeks back where Yuval Lavy started at the back of the pack and took first blowing everyone away in his age group of 40 to 49 years old on a 23wide by 14ft Focus running new GTS kick fin with Allison Probox Race Twins. Who said twins are slow, LOL!!!!!!
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« on: July 20, 2018, 07:53:31 PM »
New Infinity Custom Doug Out with Allison Race Twins. Super proud of Dave creating the Movement even from pressure of people laughing at him. But when you know your product it does not matter what the non believers say. The proof is in the ride Mother Nature will dictate the out come. https://www.facebook.com/larry.w.allison/videos/10214896582961194/
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« on: July 20, 2018, 07:45:29 PM »
12/6 StingRay by Liquid Athlete.
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« on: July 20, 2018, 07:42:08 PM »
Me test riding the Liquid Athlete 12/6 StingRay!
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« on: July 20, 2018, 07:35:02 PM »
Now we can get into some new stuff. First again I am super Stoked that ukgm took the lead to support what Thousands already knew but not to the level of numbers that some need even when reality proved it already. I may add that ukgm was not positive about the concept like may of you here but intrigued why so many people were converting their boards with good results. Having the Scientific Mind that ukgm has his wheels starting turning and curiosity got the best of him and now we are here a year later confirming the results that I predicted he would have a year ago. I am honored and humbled that the level of interest from the world brought ukgm on board to ask the questions and seek the answers. Mad respect to you my friend for disrupting the herd. Now here is a peak at a new Board Brand coming out of Marina Del Ray LA called Liquid Athlete. This board design is unique which I was honored by not only getting one of the first boards but had design input. The other concept by this board company is that it comes only as a Allison 4 fin with the right fin options. Here is The Sting Ray 12/6 by 30 for open waters and touring at 25-lbs with fins and boxes. https://www.facebook.com/larry.w.allison/videos/10214890656293031/
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« on: July 20, 2018, 02:16:10 PM »
Thank you guys like Bean, Luc and Stoneaxe in believing me when converting their boards and understanding their equipment. You guys rock like many others here that follow me like Speedboard another company that pushes more Allison Race Twins.
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« on: July 20, 2018, 01:23:40 PM »
https://www.facebook.com/OlympusBoardShop.USA/videos/1822241097824153/Requadles what you guys say about 4 fins. Here is a average guy going across the Catalina Channel 22 miles on a 27 wide by 14 ft M&M last month. Beating a better rider on a Starboard by 30 minutes I think. This could of never happened in a Single fin world on a M&M, FACT!!! That is Reality my friends!
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« on: July 20, 2018, 12:20:04 PM »
Well, with the right conditions and weather, I can finally share the results of my testing of the Allison probox system + ventral assist in my 2017 Allstar. I used my standard (and published) testing protocol and used a market leader (and fastest fin I ever tested) as the baseline. I should add that the fins were donated but the install was paid for by me (and undertaken incidentally by SUPUK on here). The graphs shows the result. I'll have to be honest and say I was surprised as I still haven't got the set up to perform quite as I want to and it still felt draggy to me but the numbers don't lie. Larry has great intuition
Thank You Ukgm for taking the time to show in more depth what is happening and being open minded like others here taking the 4 fins to another level like PonoBill who improved on my concept.
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« on: July 20, 2018, 12:00:08 PM »
Do some board [shapes] get a better "boost" than other shapes?
I'm imagining a wide cutt-off tail shape is more it's thing than pintail. Mainly since that's the boards we see them on most.
How small can one go with the fins? As there is so much fin in there can one go pretty small?
Square tail with concave will ALWAYS stick with a single fin and not using a 4 fin FACT! Pintail are the fastest but stability is key, the add of 4 fins allows you now to ride a board taking the pivot point of a single fin out of the situation. Understanding going smaller in drag and directing water to work for you not reacting against you is key to understanding this concept.
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« on: July 20, 2018, 09:57:42 AM »
Like you, I'm not so interested in having a scientific, provable conclusion. If I could find a fin setup that gave me a ten percent advantage that was purely placebo effect I'd be quite happy. I would prefer to actually understand what's going on, but I'm not adamant about it. I don't understand quantum gravity either but I'm willing to hang out in the reality it apparently has generated.
Would you be so happy if you read ukgm’s report, then on that basis went out and paid good money to have a LA fun system fitted, only then to discover that it didn’t work for you, and that the “improvement” he reported was all in ukgm’s head? Because that is what might well happen here.
LOL, That has already happened with a whole board which is why the SUP Industry has slowed down in sales because people were told that boards would do magic and NOTHING!!!! Your comment about this could of maybe held up 8 years ago when a few people were trying Twins on Raceboards in 2011, then by 2012 a few dozen people were riding and trying Race Twins in Race boards, by 2014 a few hundred people were now riding Twins in Raceboards to now a few THOUSAND people are riding Twins in Raceboards. The majority of these people bought a board that they were told was the MAGIC Board to ride for them that turned out FALSE. But instead of giving up like some did and even bought another board that in some cases were worst they spent the money to convert to Allison Twins and then those boards became their MAGIC Board. That is not a Placebo but a FACT.
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« on: July 19, 2018, 04:20:52 PM »
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