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General Discussion / Re: What can I expect when paddling a 9’ x 26” x 95 liters Infinity New Deal?

« on: May 31, 2023, 09:07:40 AM »

Those dimensions sound like a good lay down long board

Yeah, exactly. The seller weighs about the same as me. Im going to see if I can do a pool test.

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General Discussion / Re: What can I expect when paddling a 9’ x 26” x 95 liters Infinity New Deal?

« on: May 31, 2023, 09:06:05 AM »

The longer rail should make it work like a longer board.

I had a 9-2 Sunova longboard style SUP that I think was only 3 3/4” thick and thin overall with 125 liters. Paddling was ok because it was about 30” wide. This New Deal is next level at only 26” wide though.

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Classifieds / Re: 🏄🏻‍♂️🤙🏼 SURF SUP - Hi Perf Big Guy Short Stand Up Paddleboard - Light & FUN!

« on: May 27, 2023, 11:47:31 AM »

If you’re on a mobile device you can see the full images by moving your finger along each one.👍

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General Discussion / Re: Know Anything About This 10-3 Starboard SUP?

« on: May 27, 2023, 11:42:16 AM »

I think this video features the same model:
https://youtu.be/_oJQYiS9bNw

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General Discussion / What can I expect when paddling a 9’ x 26” x 95 liters Infinity New Deal?

« on: May 27, 2023, 09:32:53 AM »

I know what it’s like at 190-200 pounds to paddle a short sup with only 95 liters (it’s hell!), but any idea how much different 95 liters would feel paddling when it’s a 9’ x 26” wide Infinity New Deal? Just wondering how much a difference the longer rail would make?

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General Discussion / Re: Know Anything About This 10-3 Starboard SUP?

« on: May 24, 2023, 01:59:49 PM »

The construction of these old Starboards is bomber.  I would much prefer a Starboard of this vintage than one of the modern garbage Starlite construction.

I am surprised to read that you don’t like the Starlite construction. I bought a slightly used 8-5 Starboard Pro Wave Starlite a few years ago that was in perfect like new condition. Like a moron, I jumped off of a retaining wall to get down to the beach and dropped the rail on the pointy edge of a huge boulder with the full force of my 190 pounds behind it and was shocked to see that it did NOTHING to the rail. Not even a scratch! Any other board I’ve had and there would have been a HUGE gash. (Did something similarly dumb with a factory carbon Infinity RNB once and also zero damage.) I didn’t like that Starboard so I sold it to a friend that loves it and a few years later it’s still in excellent condition.

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General Discussion / Re: Know Anything About This 10-3 Starboard SUP?

« on: May 24, 2023, 01:39:50 PM »

I think if I bought one with a deck pad like that I would probably want to replace it with an FCS because the FCS pads are so sticky and I’m not sure I could live with that freaky looking candy cane deck pad.

Anyone know if Starboard continued with the white paint under that deck pad?

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General Discussion / Re: Know Anything About This 10-3 Starboard SUP?

« on: May 24, 2023, 01:33:35 PM »

Thanks for replying, everyone. Previously I could only find a couple images for what looked to be a similar model so I really appreciate it!

One of those pages showed that Starboard had a 9-1 Pro Wave for the same year with 127 liters that looks really nice. Man, wish I could find one of those.


P.S. I wasn’t getting notifications, so had to make a change in my settings.

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Classifieds / 🏄🏻‍♂️🤙🏼 SURF SUP - Hi Perf Big Guy Short Stand Up Paddleboard - Light & FUN!

« on: May 24, 2023, 09:37:18 AM »

Super fun and light BIG GUY SURF SUP stand up paddle board. Triple wings makes it turn like a surfboard and its super STABLE when paddling because of the full nose. (I weigh about 200.)

8’ x 29 1/2 x 4 1/2” x 114.5 liters. XLNT condition with no dings. Super light and strong (1.5 lb EPS foam glassed w/ epoxy resin with 5.7 oz carbon knee patches).

Super grippy FCS deckpad (the best!). I rode it as a twin so it has two Futures rail boxes and three FCS plugs for a center trailer fin if you want. Set of Futures keel fins are included.

Selling because I got another like it but 2” shorter.

Only $795

P.S. Unfortunately the forum isn’t allowing the full images to be seen.🤪

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General Discussion / Know Anything About This 10-3 Starboard SUP?

« on: May 19, 2023, 02:35:17 PM »

Does anyone know anything about this 10-3 x 29 Starboard SUP model? I am wondering about the year, model, construction, weight? It has a nice outline and isn’t crazy wide like most of the long SUP’s are now so I’m wondering how it surfs too?

I have looked all over the internet and the only image or pages I’ve seen shows something with a similar outline that was called a Surf Pro (or Pro Surf) and had that brushed carbon thing going on. It might have been a 10-2 though.  (Circa 2011-2012, I think.) Oh, and it didn’t have that funky candy cane looking deck pad!

Thanks🤙🏼🏄🏻‍♂️👍

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The Shape Shack / Re: Suggestions for materials & glass schedule for LIGHTER non-disposable surf sup?

« on: August 17, 2022, 12:02:13 PM »

Dual layer 6-4 but only lap one layer. 1 layer of S won't do it.

Bag it.

If you want lighter, don't hot coat it. Maybe fill coat it, lightly, maybe. Then use micro balloon paste, squeegee on. Fill it and light sand it til the pinholes are gone. Primer, paint. Will be ugly AF, light as hell.

It isn't a longboard, we will never be cool. It's time we quit building boards like they did in '65.

1) How will the strength be (dents & dings) when filling the laminate weave with microballoon goop vs a straight epoxy "hot coat"?

2) Have you ever done that without paint and on a clear board? If so, how did it look?

Looks great. But you get to pick the color. I'd go dark.

For ding resistance ditch the carbon, go all glass. (if you want to argue go to Swaylock's lol) But seriously, carbon isn't going to be ding resistant no matter what unless you cover it with a lot of glass and then... why did we buy that expensive carbon? Stiff breaks, flexy bends. Carbon is stiff.

Maybe it's just semantics but technically we don't do "hot coats" since we're using epoxy. After laminating I do one fill coat and I'm done. Paint adds weight so it seems like one fill coat would be lighter than a coat of microballoon goop followed by paint. Right?

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The Shape Shack / Re: Suggestions for materials & glass schedule for LIGHTER non-disposable surf sup?

« on: August 17, 2022, 11:55:46 AM »

I think the compression strength referred to - is the pressure ding resistance of S- glass being superior to E glass. That usually shows on the bottom of the board as how did I get that kind of damage.  I like a carbon strip on the rails over the fiberglass to keep dings to a minimum. It also feels harder when you hit it with the paddle blade.
My Hobie RAW with the innerga grid has aged well and is on the lighter side

A few years ago I bought a custom RAW 9' longboard style sup from a guy used that still looked new. Fun board and looked super cool with Innegra and carbon but it was scary fragile. It was really meant for pro's that get free boards which is why I think the guy sold it before his $2700.00 board was worth nothing. I eventually broke it.

A simple and cheap way to save your rails is to put car door edge protector on the edges of your paddles blade. Would I use car door edge protector on my paddles if I was competing and got free equipment? Nope.

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The Shape Shack / Re: Suggestions for materials & glass schedule for LIGHTER non-disposable surf sup?

« on: August 17, 2022, 11:39:19 AM »

How much does the board weigh?
Pat Rawson uses S cloth on his boards for compression stength:
https://paddlewoo.podbean.com/e/pat-rawson-a-legendary-shapers-thoughts-on-sup-design-mo-freitas-and-the-future-of-the-sport/
S cloth won't save any weight, but make the compression strength 20% stronger.
To save weight, you could do one layer on the bottom, but keep two layers on the top.  I would recommend William "Stretch" Reidel's glassing schedule.  One 6 oz glass on the bottom.  One 6 oz glass on the top.  Then another 4 oz glass on top.  He explains the lay up here:
http://www.stretchboards.com/news/2015/06/22/cft-construction-unique-lamination-process/
I would use S cloth for the one bottom layer, and use S cloth for at least one of the top layers.
https://www.daveyskysurfboards.com/blog/general-surf/surfboard-glassing-schedules-weight-vs-strength/
Duraglass 6+4/ 6.
I like your carbon stringer.

You asked before how much my board weighs but I forgot to answer. I don't have a scale now so can only go by feel when carrying. I know it's a little heavier than I would prefer due to the schedule (6-4 + 6-4 + 6 deck patch + all layers were wrapped around the rails + 6 oz carbon around the knees + carbon "stringer.")  I will find a scale and weigh it so I can compare it with my new board that I start glassing next week.

I watched that Stretch video and the other links. Placing the 4 oz on the deck on the bias for better flex and resistance to breaking was very interesting. Do you know if it matters which layer on the deck goes down first? 6 oz linear or 4 oz on the bias?

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The Shape Shack / Re: Suggestions for materials & glass schedule for LIGHTER non-disposable surf sup?

« on: August 04, 2022, 11:04:37 AM »

How much does the board weigh?
Pat Rawson uses S cloth on his boards for compression stength:
https://paddlewoo.podbean.com/e/pat-rawson-a-legendary-shapers-thoughts-on-sup-design-mo-freitas-and-the-future-of-the-sport/
S cloth won't save any weight, but make the compression strength 20% stronger.
To save weight, you could do one layer on the bottom, but keep two layers on the top.  I would recommend William "Stretch" Reidel's glassing schedule.  One 6 oz glass on the bottom.  One 6 oz glass on the top.  Then another 4 oz glass on top.  He explains the lay up here:
http://www.stretchboards.com/news/2015/06/22/cft-construction-unique-lamination-process/
I would use S cloth for the one bottom layer, and use S cloth for at least one of the top layers.
https://www.daveyskysurfboards.com/blog/general-surf/surfboard-glassing-schedules-weight-vs-strength/
Duraglass 6+4/ 6.
I like your carbon stringer.

I will check out the links when I have time tomorrow. Thank you.

Does an increase in "compression" strength translate to more resistance to dents and dings?

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The Shape Shack / Re: Suggestions for materials & glass schedule for LIGHTER non-disposable surf sup?

« on: August 04, 2022, 10:59:55 AM »

Dual layer 6-4 but only lap one layer. 1 layer of S won't do it.

Bag it.

If you want lighter, don't hot coat it. Maybe fill coat it, lightly, maybe. Then use micro balloon paste, squeegee on. Fill it and light sand it til the pinholes are gone. Primer, paint. Will be ugly AF, light as hell.

It isn't a longboard, we will never be cool. It's time we quit building boards like they did in '65.

1) How will the strength be (dents & dings) when filling the laminate weave with microballoon goop vs a straight epoxy "hot coat"?

2) Have you ever done that without paint and on a clear board? If so, how did it look?