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Classifieds / 2010 Starboard pro 8'5" converted to foil tuttle
« on: September 18, 2020, 10:35:02 PM »
This one is going to go cheap, I need it gone.  Frankly it isn't a very good foil board.  It would work for a first foil board but there are better options.  It was my first foil board and I learned to foil just fine before anybody knew any better.  I used to absolutely love riding it as a SUP though, and it is a pretty classic shape.  Maybe you want it for that?  It was the top of line construction for 2010 - PVC sandwich - and though it has hundreds of sessions on it, no major dings and watertight.  The foil box probably needs a couple layers of glass or just ride it like it is.   I will not ship - thinking $200 if you come pick it up in the San Francisco bay area.

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Foil SUP / Re: E foil
« on: September 18, 2020, 01:00:48 PM »
you already SUP, and now you foil - I am pretty sure that means you can live down the ribbing

Foil SUP / Re: E foil
« on: September 18, 2020, 12:43:36 PM »
To me the real beauty would be if you could get enough grunt to get you foiling on a small sinker board rather than a tow, bungee or winch.  Start submerged squatting in the straps and hit the button as your swell approaches.  It seems like having the torpedo as close to the board as possible and positioned above the front foil would be the best balanced and least obtrusive.  I could see this being great fun for spot surfing on Gorge swell.

YES!  I hadn't considered this possibility and now hearing you say it, I totally agree.  Being able to run a tiny board with no swing weight and good weight balance but still get into waves early or get into non-breaking swell would be a game changer.  That's going to take a lot more than a boost fin unfortunately.  But there are readily available power tool options that would have plenty of short burst power and enough capacity to do that many times - and are quite lightweight.  I expect such a system could be build using the components in any number of ~1kW battery powered tools.  Waterproofing is going to be the main issue to solve.  All the existing efoils are designed for constant power draw and run-time in continuous mode.  This is a totally different application

Foil SUP / Re: Learning to foil SUP - Riding waves
« on: September 17, 2020, 10:03:10 PM »
You gotta paddle your ass off and get your legs into it to catch waves early.  A lot does depend on how fast the wave is moving though.  On the slower moving stuff it is much much easier to get on the wave early.  I think about two things when trying to catch a wave early 1) fast cadence on the paddle, make more strokes 2) bend your knees and unweight in rhythm with each paddle stroke.  focus on driving especially your front foot up and forward with each stroke (a front footstrap helps here).

For the steep stuff, yeah, you gotta keep the nose down and you'll pick up crazy speed coming down the face.  Don't try to angle across the mid-face or high face of a steep wave, its a disaster.  Instead you need to get your speed going straight down the face and make your turn in the flats - then carry speed to get out in front of the shoulder.  If you can get ahead of the pit, you're in good shape.  I've tried a lot of ways to ride in the pit of steep/hollow wave and it just doesn't work.   Maybe a longer mast or something.

Foil SUP / Re: E foil
« on: September 17, 2020, 03:17:48 PM »
we had a whole dragged out technical conversation about whether it would be possible to get the propeller system to "idle" along.  Some folks felt like the drag from the propeller is impossible to overcome since at a given speed, the propeller doesn't want to move any faster or any slower than its pitch.  I suggested that it might be possible to build a motor controller that could vary the RPM as needed to make sure there is no drag.  None of the existing motor controllers are designed to do this.  One can only hope the boost system can do it, but I really doubt it.  It isn't easy.

nice - same link I tried to put on there!

I'm planning on making my own version of this with an old paddle shaft I have lying around.  It really seems like a boom makes so much more sense.

have you got it strapped to your back while you're surfing?  Are are you swimming out to the lineup with fins

Foil SUP / Re: guys wanna see what the GoFoil NL220 is capable of?
« on: September 16, 2020, 10:23:34 AM »
nice one!  where's that???

I'm interested to hear how you refit your wasps with boom.  you got me looking online and I only found a couple references to retrofits - this guy selling a kit on ebay looks the most interesting

Foil SUP / Re: E foil
« on: September 15, 2020, 08:52:39 AM »
It most certainly is interesting on flat water and almost everyone is interested IN them.  ;)

I was speaking specifically of a propeller mounted up high on the mast where it is out of the water once flying.  Obviously lots of people are riding the efoils in flat water

Classifieds / Re: For sale: Ozone Wasp 6M - Used once!
« on: September 15, 2020, 08:47:10 AM »
PM sent!

Foil SUP / Re: E foil
« on: September 14, 2020, 03:09:56 PM »
I've been thinking about exactly this for a while and even threatened myself with prototyping something.  But at the end of the day, I think a paddle gets you almost all of this for less weight.

Such a device would only be interesting to get INTO a wave - then ride it with the prop out of the water.  It isn't interesting on flat water because once the board is out of the water, what then?  I think that if there is a wave, then there is a set of board/foil that I can use to paddle into it.

That being said, I have been out on big days where the swell is just moving too fast to catch with a paddle.  So maybe for the big long period stuff

keep in mind that adding footstrap inserts and longer foilbox does add a surprising amount of weight.  I'm thinking wingboards should come with a blank deck and a set of adhesive footstrap "inserts" like the NSI ones.  Probably too much DIY for most people, but that's going to be the lightest solution

Foil SUP / Re: Foil Videos
« on: September 09, 2020, 09:00:34 PM »
Beasho, I remember the 360 version of that, and I have to say the remastered version is much nicer to watch.  360 view is a cool novelty, but you chose the right angle and depth of field throughout to make it much more watchable.

Foil SUP / Re: Goddam Sup Foiling is fun
« on: September 09, 2020, 08:55:01 PM »
I would advise against that plan cowboy!  driving a jetski as a tow-boat is actually quite difficult.  They aren't made to go slow and speed control is actually quite difficult.  Much better to have someone driving who knows a little bit about foiling enough to feel what is too fast or too slow.  Trust me, it is super duper scary when the driver starts going too fast and you're having to decide whether to drop the line or hang on until they slow down.  Nightmare session with someone who is otherwise a great waterski and passable wakeboarding driver but knew nothing about foiling. 

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