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Random / Re: the Corona Virus, One year of Covid-19
« on: May 20, 2021, 01:25:59 PM »
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Too many choices now... already getting to be specialized where you need a specific wing for a specific discipline... like what killed windsurfing and is hurting kiting. Isn't this deviating from what is so attractive about winging... the simplicity?

Discuss  ;D

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Ullman Falcon
« on: December 21, 2020, 12:12:39 PM »


https://florida.ullmansails.com/ullman-sails-wings/

Thanks deja vu... yes I found that same site after I had already started communicating directly with Olaf.  Do you know if the FL loft has the foils too?  I can call and just ask myself though :)

To whom it may concern... the FL Ullman shop doesn't stock any foils, just the wings.  The Falcon carbon boom is undergoing a redesign, but release date is unknown at this moment.  Seems like so many wings and things are changing rapidly... I hate waiting to buy something, but it's impossible to make a decision on anything when it's likely the day after ordering there will be something new and improved available.  :-\

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Ullman Falcon
« on: December 21, 2020, 06:51:12 AM »


https://florida.ullmansails.com/ullman-sails-wings/

Thanks deja vu... yes I found that same site after I had already started communicating directly with Olaf.  Do you know if the FL loft has the foils too?  I can call and just ask myself though :)

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Ullman Falcon
« on: December 20, 2020, 11:46:10 AM »
Any feedback on the Ullman wings and foils yet?  I'm thinking pretty seriously about the 5.2 or 6.2 Falcon and the 2000 anhedral/"anhydrial" foil.  The Falcon has a carbon boom which is a real plus (if you like booms) and the design just looks good (FWIW).

What about that foil though?  The shape looks pretty unique.  Would it be ok for a noob foil winger, or would I be better off getting something beginner specific?

Olaf at Ullman has been very responsive to my questions (unlike what I hear about some other newer wing companies like Gong) and the pricing is very competitive even with shipping.

Any advice or feedback?

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What is it that holds back speed the most?  I assume it's mostly a factor of the power to weight ratio, but what about drag and stability?  From watching windfoiling vs wingfoiling, it certainly looks like windfoiling is generally faster, and it looks like it's a speed advantage to have the sail firmly attached to the deck of the board.  Has anyone considered something like placing a small "hook" type thing on the nose, deck, or rail of a wing board, and on each tip of the wing a small "loop" that could then be used to hold the wing down to stabilize it and power it up more when blasting along?  Then when you want to tack or gibe you just let the loop drop off the hook.  Does that make sense how I described it?  What would that do to the handling and stability?  Thoughts on this crazy idea?

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Duotone ECHO v2?
« on: December 15, 2020, 07:26:41 AM »
I'm sensing that a boom design is gaining an edge and that a firm grip or attachment is better than a limp handle... just look at Armstrong's $100 boom handle attachment, and the Cabrinha mini boom handles as examples.  Full disclosure: I have never winged, but am keeping a close eye on this stuff so I can buy one.  I'm thinking of waiting a little while longer to see what cool stuff comes out soon.

Right now I'm looking closely at the Switch Surf Wing, but that has the limpest handles of all  ;D  and no harness line attachment points.

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Leading-edge diameter is a limiting factor for pointing upwind, the most efficient sails have aerodynamically shaped masts that pivot with the sail. They also use rigid or semi-rigid wings instead of fabric. I expect our hand wings will go through a development stage where the inflated tubes go away for the serious speed fans, with minor changes for the rest of us who are happy to just be flying.

Very interesting thoughts!  Yes, I've also imagined that wings may end up having a combination of a "tent pole" type structure along with some inflated section(s).  By "tent pole" I mean some semi-rigid yet flexible structure that can be disassembled and packed... like a much more flexible and lighter version of a windsurfing mast for the leading edge that goes through an inflatable section or something like that.  I can picture it even if I can't describe it :)

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This thread has been really good.  Thanks for the input!  Getting specific to one brand, has anyone tried the Gaastra Cross Wing?  It looks like it has a "performance" type shape (less dihedral, tight leach/trailing edge, less "pointy" too).  I was told it goes upwind pretty well, but the Naish Wing Surfer may be a little better at it.

I hear what's being said though... using a harness is essential for getting max upwind potential.

https://ga-windsurfing.com/sails/2021/foil/cross-21/

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As the subject says, which wings or wing shapes are best for upwind work?  Of course the foil has a huge effect also, maybe more, but in general what works best?  More curve, less curve, less/more dihedral, fat/thin leading edge diameter? etc etc.

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Excellent feedback.  Thank you.

I (@ 75 kg) would go 5m and 4m and get a 6m later if it's persistent light wind. If you go 6m and 4m then neither wing would be ideal in the 15-20 knot range.
I use a custom 1700 cm² front foil which is a good all-round size.

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I have a mix of Switch and F-One Swings and like them both. The Switch wing has a more rigid shape; it goes upwind and handles gusts better but is a bit heavier and more twitchier when sheeted out.
You're tall enough that you could use a 6m but light enough that you probably don't need anything bigger than a 5m, unless you plan to wing in 10 knots or less.

Thanks Simon. Do you think I should start with a 5 and then get the 6 if I think I need it?  Yes I would like to wing in as low winds as possible I suppose.  Is the 4 m to 6 m spread too big, or would a 5 & 6 cover me up to say 20mph or more wind?

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So now that several months have passed, what's the verdict on this wing?  Is it a keeper?

I'm an intermediate kiter and former windsurfer, and wing foiling really appeals to me.  However, I have never foiled at all.  I'm thinking this wing would be a good entry point into the sport.  Would the 6m be too big to start with?  I want to get riding in as light a wind was possible, then get a 4m for higher winds.  Is that too big of a spread?

What would be a good first board and foil to match up with that plan?  5'11" and 150-155lbs here (65-68kg or so)? Trying to be cost conscious too. 😬

EDIT: I like the Gong packages, but seems like shipping to the US is a nightmare.  What do you think about the Zuma or even the Hipe? And their wings and foils?

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Mast length
« on: July 08, 2020, 12:42:50 PM »
Questions about mast length.  I have never foiled, but am interested in it.  When using a longer mast, does the foil ride deeper in the water, or does the board fly higher above the water?  Or is it both?  I'd also like to have an idea of how shallow you can safely ride.  I kite in an area that has varying depths and shoals and want to know what I can safely ride over, either with a kite or with a wing.  Thanks.

Just my own feeble observation. You can go reasonably shallow if you’re willing to put up with a shorter mast. I’ve done quite a bit of Winging in 3 ft deep water with a 65cm mast. Even have a few areas I wing over where I’d have to walk out 50 yards to restart if I ever came off the foil. With shallow water the chop generally doesn’t get too high but if it does go over something like 12” it becomes more challenging with breaching, touchdowns and the foil reacting to the swell. It’s actually good practice for improving your pitch control.

 Any shallower than 3 ft requiring something less than 65cm for mast length is just not worth it for me. Note we have a soft bottom where we ride. If your talking rock and or corral I wouldn’t cut it close at all.

When you are first learning it’s nice to have water you can stand in but not so shallow that the foil is bumping off the bottom when you’re plowing along at slow speed . Not always easy to find those sorts of locations with reasonable winds

For kitefoiling, with ok wind and decent skills you can get away with a mast that is a bit longer than the water depth, since you can basically pull yourself right up onto the foil from a water start position. I might be banished from the forum for saying this but don’t overlook kitefoiling either. Winging is awesome but kitefoiling still offers all kinds of thrills you’ll never get from a wing. I’ll have way more fun kitefoiling in 8-12 mph than I ever would trying to wing in those winds.  Good luck!

Thanks obxDave!  Yes, kite foiling is probably the best "foil entry path" for me right now.

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Mast length
« on: July 08, 2020, 08:36:14 AM »
Questions about mast length.  I have never foiled, but am interested in it.  When using a longer mast, does the foil ride deeper in the water, or does the board fly higher above the water?  Or is it both?  I'd also like to have an idea of how shallow you can safely ride.  I kite in an area that has varying depths and shoals and want to know what I can safely ride over, either with a kite or with a wing.  Thanks.

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