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Iím 140lbs and have a 2200-ish Wing. The stability is what people told me to focus on. Also, you will end up with a buddy who learns after you and you can sell it to them.  ;)

The Shape Shack / Re: Custom Torx Tool for in water foil adjustments
« on: July 12, 2020, 12:58:30 PM »
Wetstuff, tell your wife I said sheís a lucky woman if you donít fart in bed.  Do not broach this subject with mine.

Foil SUP / Re: Un-Weight Bump Start - Larger Wing
« on: July 12, 2020, 10:33:23 AM »
I was basing this on the idea that the waves in a downwinder thatís not on Maui (lol) might not be too fast so the lift might balance the drag a bit.

If you follow the chop shop movement you can see that tails are at best an inexact science.

I guess my question is more about asking if in a crappy downwinder, dose the extra tail lift and the drag that comes with it negate the benefit of the HA wing? If not, then thereís an improvement to be made for local conditions vs factory stock. If not, then a big low aspect wing is the answer for non-Maliko quality downwinders. (Such as we have here in SoCal.)

Selfishly following this to see if I get an absurdly large low aspect wing to try (Gong XXL which is the clown shoe of wings) or a high aspect version of something.

Iím pretty sure at my weight I could fly the XXL with an umbrella to pull me lol.

Foil SUP / Re: Learning to foil surf - catching waves
« on: July 12, 2020, 09:38:01 AM »
Sano, I feel you. Notice that I expect that I'll prefer SUP for longer sessions. That trend will continue should I get lucky enough to last a few more decades. In clean conditions I'll bet I can get down to the low 5' range and maybe 25" (26?) wide in clean conditions.

I agree too that the sport likely lost a lot of potential SUP foilers early on to learning curve. As I say over and over, I can't imagine learning this on a Kai Foil in 2017. It's so much easier now, I'm sure. But please don't tell anyone. I don't want to blow up the spots that I'm scoping up here. Me, Hdip, and Steamroller are enough crowd for LA County.

I still think that SUP foil is preferable for certain spots. Seems like anywhere you are getting long rides you'd want the paddle. While I like the freedom of the small board, take heart that really, paddling prone 100 yards+ over and over is not going to be fun for even the most fit of us.

Foil SUP / Re: Un-Weight Bump Start - Larger Wing
« on: July 12, 2020, 09:18:49 AM »
Can/does tail shim/angle affect this? Since HA wings seem to have a wider range could they stand adjusting the tail angle for earlier lift?

Foil SUP / Re: Learning to foil surf - catching waves
« on: July 12, 2020, 09:10:43 AM »
Session 8 yesterday started to look sketchy but turned out great.

Finally met Hdip and his awesome water kids who were killing it in the shore break. I expect them to pass us surfing in 6 months lol.

Conditions are everything. Remind me of that. Luckily I had my awesome wife with me and so I got to just chill and wait it out. I was rewarded.

At 6pm swell was 1-2í wind was probably 10-12 (no real idea lol) side/onshore. Chop was insane. Paddled out and after 5 min came back in. Waited 30 min and went out (still 30 min too soon.) but at 7 the wind dropped and kept dropping til dark (8:30 or so)

At 7:15 the crowd died with the sun and wind and I was left with the exact same conditions as my last solid session. 1-2 mushy but a small peak that backs off so you get pushed in. I caught everything I went for and got maybe 5 waves in 30 min.

Interesting observation from me and my wife. I felt like I was flying the foil but she said, ďI couldnít really see when you took offĒ. I chalked it up to my short (45cm) mast. But then I thought about the feeling and sound and looked at the surfline replay and realized that my tail was in the wave but the front 75% of the board was ďflyingĒ. This is a great way to safely learn and I remember you guys saying, ďyou can feel the wing before you take off.Ē I could tell by sound and feel the few times I fully lifted off. This also is going to be key for learning to prone foil and I feel much better about that now knowing I can half fly on this mast.

Now that I know these conditions and crowd level I will hit this spot after work a few times and get some miles in before going to larger mast (65cm.)

Technique Tip: The archbar front and back continues to make or break waves. Now that I am careful to get my feet on the center every time itís as if the foil is on tracks. I suspect this is what made the whole ďstrappedĒ thing such a big deal back a while ago. Foot Position is key. But my experience is that you can replicate that with an arch bar and if your wing is balanced right the front/back takes care of itself if your stance is consistent.

Iím also going to bring my prone board to practice paddling in when the chop is too bad for SUP. Starting to see how Prone, SUP, and Wing fit into conditions. Hereís my early take based on limited experience. But I think I see why SUP foil surfing isnít as dominant as it was.

Too much wind, Wing. Duh.
A bit of chop, prone
Close to shore, short paddle, prone
Clean but long paddle, SUP
Clean and long session, SUP

Iím sure this will change for me but at my level of fitness I can get longer sessions on a SUP just due to the larger muscles used. Socially, Iíll probably prone more too just to sit and hang with my buddies on crappy longboard days and fit in better should we get an uncrowded session. (At least until they all give in to the dark side.)

Summary, 8 sessions, which for a weekender is 4-8 weeks, and Iím having fun now. Still just getting wings but the early frustrations are easing as long as I watch conditions and am patient.

One other note on this. Clay a Torx connection is so good that you can often use a T28 on a T30 screw. Iíve done this. So check that. Thereís almost no play in a correctly sized Torx connection.

In the larger theoretical sense, think about what makes a good connection. Itís surface area and angles for leverage. Increase both, which a Torx connection does, and you get a better connection and leverage.

Check your tool for fit or quality as Pono said. I used a 28 in a 30 recently over here.

The Shape Shack / Re: Custom Torx Tool for in water foil adjustments
« on: July 11, 2020, 07:04:18 AM »
Ok Jrandy, 2 things. First that knob is nice. Thatís what Josh does a lot of as well as really cool chopsticks.

Second, um, rat rod RV? Why am I just now hearing of this?

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Carving 360's
« on: July 10, 2020, 09:22:56 PM »
Dude, well done! I really want to see one of these from a drone angle. Need to do some YouTube searching.

And yes, you guys update the Gong thread when you get those high aspect wings.

The Shape Shack / Custom Torx Tool for in water foil adjustments
« on: July 10, 2020, 06:42:35 PM »
Ok so sometimes there's just not the perfect tool for what you need.

Problem: Need to adjust your foil in cool water. No trunks, no pockets. Also, not stabbing yourself is a bonus feature.

Solution, use your overflow resin bucket to cut a handle out. Square and flat, so it fits in the chest zip section of your wetsuit (lies flat, not like a screwdriver), is easy to get grip on (round sucks when wet) and is short enough to not kill you even if it did somehow overcome physics to stab you.

Inspired by Josh Martin (Terry's son, look him up on Instagram, great feed!) I wanted to make an artful tool that was connected to surfing and board building. Note that the blue resin is actually from the board that I'll be adjusting the foil on.

Shots are:

1-3 cutting out the chunk from 3-4 years of resin catchment with a multi-tool

4-5 drilling the hole for the Torx Bit

6-7 the Bosch Torx Bit fitting in. Drilled a little deep, so had to put a 1/4" piece of wood dowel in to set the depth right

8-9 neon green resin mixed with some Q-cell and glass fibers for strength to hold the bit (Note that this is rough sanded to 220 grit now)

10-11 finished piece, wet sanded to 600 grit and drilled for lanyard.

I'll try both a bungee keeper and maybe an EVA piece to make a float and see which I like. EVA feels likely if a piece that fits in my wetsuit chest zip area is small enough to not bother me. Otherwise I'll tether it to my key keeper with a piece of small bungee.

I have another bit so I'll probably cut another piece from another block I have that's got weirder colors and maybe shape it a bit more too. Fun project, probably 30-45 minutes total, in 15 minute sessions after work. Perfect, low hassle, high output make. Next one will be 20 minutes I'll bet now that design decisions are made.

The Shape Shack / Re: How youse lay down the non-skid?
« on: July 09, 2020, 06:45:35 PM »
If you check my build threads I put down some old strips of material that I had. But you could cut pieces of yours if you wanted. I did 2 layers on my SUP under the pad and I staggered them making the bottom one bigger and the top one smaller. That still wasnít perfect like jrandy says but it was ok. Someday it might break but hopefully not for years. If you had some eva like L200 or something you could cut and sand a nice one.

On my prone board I did one layer (maybe 3-4mm) and it feels fine so maybe just one layer is cool. I wanted my SUP obvious lol.

Sanding is the key to smooth foam. You can cut it but then if you sand it itís perfect. Don't sand where you can hit paint but for example if you cut out for a handle, sand it to a bevel after you cut it. Really sweet nice touch that I usually donít have the patience for lol.

Thatís the benefit of someone else making your board, when itís done youíre just getting started so you can tweak out!!

Foil SUP / Re: Foamie foil board
« on: July 09, 2020, 07:52:52 AM »
I like it man. Non-destructive prototype. Keep em coming.

I need to start looking at craigslist for a donor.

Foil SUP / Re: Foamie foil board
« on: July 08, 2020, 08:57:57 PM »
Was that one of those rivieras? Those have glass under the foam I think but not much. Like maybe 1 layer of 4 Oz. So not much stronger than a wavestorm probably.

Foil SUP / Re: Foamie foil board
« on: July 08, 2020, 06:23:37 PM »
Clay youíre right about cutting down a WS SUP. Plenty of volume.

Iím serious about the duct tape or do a sub skin anchor like Iím talking about. I donít think this sandwich plate is the final answer here. Bottom looks fine though.

But  Clay's buddyís idea inspires this thought. Cut bottom skin and strip out a 1í x 3í section. Route in some HD foam and set boxes. Then carbon and glass over it and build it up to match the skin level. Iím gonna say 6 x 6oz carbon at least. That would hold and wouldnít require anything through the deck.

I think this might be my prototype.

Technique / Re: Eight Lessons Learned During My First Month of SUP
« on: July 08, 2020, 12:40:18 PM »
All true. But know that it comes quickly. Keep at it!

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