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Gear Talk / Re: Recommendation for High Visibility Rashguards
« on: April 18, 2019, 01:56:59 PM »
Bulky, I just wear a red hat. The problem with that is all the power boaters think I'm a buoy and use me as a turning mark.  ;D  But seriously, they do anyways with or without high visibility gear. What's up with that? A wide open ocean and they have to clear me by 50 feet. 

Always the dilema... I have shapes floating around in my head all the time ::). Even when I not surfing (which is right now). Actually the waves are good right now, and I could go,,,,, but I surfed yesterday and it was fun so I can give it a rest. Glass off session tonight! :D
Anyways.... I've repaired my boards and others boards so much so that I see what lasts and what doesn't a how it was made. Once I understood the different levels of durability and cost of the most durable it gave me a new perspective on how I value a board. My first surf SUP I bought indirectly from Dan Gavere. It was probably Dan's first SUP as well because SUP had just started. 11'6 Naish Nalu. I was built as a cross over windsurf / SUP. It has a mast track. The eps core was molded, and the board has a PVC composite wrap. PVC cassettes on all fin boxes, handle, mast track, and leash plugs. The nose has been chipped to death and repainted a number of times over the years. One time it took huge shore pounds on a mix of sand and rocks when my leash broke during a storm swell. It was repeatedly sucked back over the falls and slammed against the shore for a good 3 to 5 minutes before I could swim to it. The fin got spun as it got dragged back out. It landed on both sides multiple times. Just scratches and chipped paint, NO other damage. I still have and use that board and it's never leaked to this day. Same thing goes for my Coreban Icon with a full PVC sandwich construction.

Now,  do I love how these boards surf? NO. They are good shapes for what they are, but not the exact shape the I "want to surf". I have 8 SUP boards right now. Five of them have leaks that I have yet to repair. My main distance 18' Hobie that is all CF, I just repaired. The other two that don't leak are the above two mentioned PVC composites. Most manufactures don't do this on all or even most of the line of boards because of the price point.

If you look at the price of a PVC composite construction board and it's near $2K US, if not more. It's because it is a more difficult process with expensive materials. I can have a board CNC'd out of 1.5 lbs EPS with a stringer for about $140. US.  A 32" x 48" sheet of PVC foam is about $50. To completely wrap a typical 9' x 31" board with PVC, I would need 5 sheets. $250. US + shipping, just for the PVC material. You have to modify your original CNC shape to be 3/8" less all around the board to accommodate the added 3/8" PVC wrap. Then you have to hot gun shape and cut the PVC so it fits like a shell around the EPS shaped blank before you laminate / V-bag it. Fitting it properly with precision cuts around all the contours of a complex shape, is not easy. It takes time. More time than it takes to CNC a board.

So knowing all the effort and cost that goes into making a virtually indestructible board, you would want to be sure that the shape is perfect.....Right! We surfer's really are never completely happy with the shapes we ride. It's like a marriage, till death do us part. Is this the perfect one for me, or this one a 'good fit' for longevity? We both have similar goals. We want to have fun in the surf, but we want it to last.  ;D ;D ;D

I found my daily ride the Coreban Icon with the PVC construction on CL for $700. It was almost new ($1,800. new). It's been over three years, tons of surf sessions, and never leaked or been repaired. I should probably paint the chipped up nose. It surfs fine, but not great. The next board I'm in the process of building ( I'm planning on having it CNC'd next month), will just be a hand lay-up. 4-6 S-Glass with CF in the right spots. I may or may not like the board. I'll probably tweak design on the next board. If I find some magic, I'll consider marrying it ... ;D... with a PVC wrap.

The strongest most durable will be a PVC foam (Divinycell) composite sandwich. It's like the way some of the better built Naish, Coreban, Gong's, and a few others are made. Just to say they are Vacuum Bagged does not mean the composite is the strongest. You take a shaped EPS foam board, you wrap it completely with 4 lbs (3/8" thick) PVC foam that is sandwiched between two layers of glass and you have a board that will all most never have to be repaired. The next closest in strength is a wood veneer sandwich composite.

Gear Talk / Re: Thin rails, not for surfing
« on: April 16, 2019, 11:59:41 AM »
That's a bummer :'( I guess I didn't keep my finger crossed long enough... Maybe they'll pack it a little better on the next one.

Foil SUP / Re: DIY kite wing
« on: April 16, 2019, 08:57:42 AM »
We used to gun hills on a skateboard and carry a thin piece of plywood (maybe 3' x 4' ) for an air brake. We drilled holes and looped rope through it.

Of course in actuality, the NWS is NOAA as well, and every USA surf forcast is based on NOAA data and models. So they ARE the basis of surf forecasting.
Wait..... You mean Surfline is Fake News? Now it's starting to make sense... That 4'-6' is total BS most of the time ;D

Foil SUP / Re: Foil Strife (for lack of an alternative word)
« on: April 14, 2019, 06:52:30 PM »
Put hard rubber leading edge on the mast. Foamy Foils.

Random / Re: Skaters vs. haters
« on: April 14, 2019, 12:06:50 PM »
Heroin users can freak'n skate! All they need is a rail in a busy public space, a GoPro, and some Narcan. Stupid public....

Gear Talk / Re: Windsurfing on a Sunova Creek
« on: April 13, 2019, 01:23:46 PM »
I still have some old booms, masts and sails, but really dated. Last year I saw a CL ad that was advertised as a windsurfing setup. I'm glad I clicked on it. It was an old 11'6 Naish Nalu with CF mast and boom. A fairly new 6.4 sail and a QB 110 elite paddle all for $450. I already have the exact same board, so I bought it for my brother and kept the rigging. I'm taking it to Tahoe this year for that afternoon wind. 

Gear Talk / Re: Windsurfing on a Sunova Creek
« on: April 13, 2019, 09:18:14 AM »
As a beginner without a dagger board, it would probably be a downwind adventure. You really need to know how to bury your rails and ride the the fin, in order to sail upwind on a board without a dagger board. A longer windsurfing fin will help too.

General Discussion / Re: "Wingsurfer" for Foil/SUP
« on: April 12, 2019, 08:31:10 PM »
Could have probably used it outside of the jumbled up windy mess of surf we were trying to fly on today.  :)
I was there at 7:30 this morning and it was a mess. Peaky bombs outside with a mixed up crumbly mess everywhere else. Only two people out. I saw DD heading out with foil. Yesterday was sooo much fun. Head high glassy with some power. They where just throwing. Had great ride after ride with some steep drops. I didn't even wait around today. It wasn't worth it.

Gear Talk / Re: Thin rails, not for surfing
« on: April 12, 2019, 02:15:50 PM »
Going to be a great spring for paddling! I've got my fingers crossed for the safe delivery of your first baby ;)

General Discussion / Re: "Wingsurfer" for Foil/SUP
« on: April 12, 2019, 12:46:55 PM »
Yah... Just switchfoot on a jibe while flying the foil and holding the wing with no mast!  Easy Peasy ::)

General Discussion / Re: "Wingsurfer" for Foil/SUP
« on: April 12, 2019, 11:06:14 AM »

General Discussion / Re: "Wingsurfer" for Foil/SUP
« on: April 12, 2019, 09:09:38 AM »
Just ad difficult to difficult. First you have to become good at foiling, really good at kite foiling, and probably have a background in windsurfing, then you can take a beginning lesson with Robbie himself. I don't see them selling a lot of these. Might be fun to take out with my surf sup on a lake. I know how to windsurf and surf, so I'm half way there ::)

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