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Seems that surfing in all forms favor the small, nimble, and innovative. When a business gets to a certain scale it becomes more about production, distribution, and profit. Naish products are generally pretty good, just not noteworthy. I got a good deal on a Naish board that suits my skill level and isn't extremely different from other 95L boards at 5'7"x 27 1/2. However I didn't go with Naish foils or wings because I thought other available brands were significantly better at roughly the same price.

My 2 cents.

It may be very hard (not impossible) for a big brand to be the cool kid that get's talked about.

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There are a lot of variables besides one's weight and fitness. How often will you foil? What is the wind conditions where you live? Do you have physical limitations like bad knee? One or all of these may keep a person in the novice stage for a long time or maybe indefinitely. One of the frequent contributors on this site (that has a few years on the odometer) recommended a board that is relatively short, wide, and floats you with no wind. That seems to be very good advice and is relative to each rider's unique size and ability to balance. As for foil size. There seems to be a wide range of thoughts. Most lean towards a big foil being useful to learn, but abandoned later. Unless you live in a foiling hot spot, used equipment isn't an option. So the question I pose is the utility of a big foil (2400ish) later. Is having a really big foil useful on light wind days? BTW most days where I live would be considered light wind.

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Gear Talk / Re: Really big SUP boards
« on: August 29, 2014, 07:23:59 AM »
Ichabod. How firm is the deck on the rotomolded board pictured? I tried one of these several years ago and found the hollow deck a bit soft. I'm sure they have improved. The other past concern was getting the deck pad to stay stuck. Your Body Glove edition looks solid.

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Gear Talk / Re: Really big SUP boards
« on: August 27, 2014, 11:37:14 AM »
Thanks all for the rapid and useful responses. The humor was also appreciated! I discounted inflatable boards because I was concerned about the softer flexible surface under their weight and potential taco-ing. The other thing that bothered me about inflatables is the max rider weight notation from Starboard that indicates an Astro Explorer with a volume of 405L is 264 pounds. The Yolo and Hooked SUP have attractive volume numbers with a hard surface. That might do the trick.

I'm very encouraged by the success I've had with people that were very big for their height but less heavy in relationship to the Atlas Extra (253L). These clients were so happy to do something they consider daring and conquer it. Many of them managed a cross-nose-sweep and pivot turn. I would like to do the same for those over 300 lbs. These clients are more likely to continue their pursuit of a more healthy life if they have some immediate success. In several cases the client was pushed into the class by their family and was the first physical effort in a sport for years.

So far I have been able to get all my clients back on their board after a fall. Unfortunately after the effort expended to get back on their board some were winded and unwilling to risk another fall. I'm an ACA instructor and the ACA spends a lot of time on rescue and safety tactics that come in handy. Some clients gave up but others were inspired to finally drop some weight and come back for another go. The experience showed them how far they had fallen from health. I really love this job. It is so rewarding to see people light up with accomplishment regardless of their reasons to try SUP. It's the best.

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Gear Talk / Really big SUP boards
« on: August 26, 2014, 10:08:14 PM »
I teach introduction level SUP lessons and have found that even my biggest boards (Starby Atlas Extra) are still not enough for some clients. Many of these folks are very out of shape and very big. It is difficult for them to support their weight without locking their knees that further comprises their balance. Does anyone know of a round nosed production epoxy board that is over 260L? I know there are some big people on 220L or less but these customers of mine are not athletic and have little experience with any balance sport. This situation has become surprisingly common. Thanks!

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Downwind and Racing / Re: 10 knot downwinder
« on: February 10, 2014, 03:21:59 PM »
Will you say more about using a 12'6" for a downwinder under low wind speed conditions?

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SUP General / Re: New to the Zone.
« on: January 24, 2014, 06:49:58 PM »
supuk, my request to divulge the bad actors at cobra asks something you can only answer anecdotally. It's hard to hear that you have plunked down a bunch of cash on something you believe is high quality and learn that you may have paid for sloppy craftsmanship and downgraded carbon.

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Gear Talk / Re: Quiksilver MEN'S PADDLE JACKET 58.19
« on: January 24, 2014, 04:34:52 PM »
Very generous Juandoe. Thanks for sharing!

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SUP General / Re: New to the Zone.
« on: January 24, 2014, 04:27:25 PM »
after doing a hole load of repairs for people recently on production boards and seeing how they are made its shocking whats under all that paint, and when you know whats under its criminal to think what the companies charge.

 Even if you pay the same amount for a custom board if its from a reputable shaper with any sort of pride in what they do they will be using the best materials they can get and not chop strand matt, plumbers plastic pipe and metal staples that seam to be the regular thing im finding at the moment even from the big name brands coming out of cobra.

 Its also interesting to see most of the companies are now all so cutting the amount of carbon going into there boards in half going by there technical spec to try and save some money.

Is there any way to know what brands cut corners that come out of Cobra or do they all  cut corners? 

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SUP General / Re: New to the Zone.
« on: January 23, 2014, 06:08:22 PM »
Early in this thread the question asked was "what is a pop-out?" I agree with those that suggest mass production does not adequately describe what surfers meant when they coined the term. "Production board" is a good way to describe a well made board that is produced in large quantities. Custom board is a good way to describe a board that is made for a specific person. Pop-out in the early days did mean mass produced but more importantly meant inferior quality and basically soulless. I would not ascribe the term pop-out to a board just because it is made in quantity. On the other hand I've seen boards that started to take on water in their first season that absolutely defined the term.

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SUP General / Re: New to the Zone.
« on: January 23, 2014, 11:33:08 AM »
Custom board builders as well as production board brands are known for their vision of what works best in the water, and favored by surfers that believe in their vision. The level of customization is often based on board length determined by the surfer's physical characteristics. A truly custom board is tailored specifically for what a surfer likes to do, her style, and type of wave surfed. This requires the surfer to know what they like through a lot of trial and error. Is it possible to find a production board that meets your vision, style, and wave? Sure it is. Is one more likely to find that perfect combination by having it custom made? Yes, provided you know exactly what you want and the builder is good at interpreting your request and executing the order.

A pop-out connotes a cheap mass produced poor quality board purchased by the uninformed. In my neck of the woods Hanson, Hobie, Surfboards Hawaii, Dewy Weber, Gordon and Smith, Harbour, et. al churned out hundreds if not thousands of boards that were never considered pop-outs. So even "mass produced" is a difficult description of the ilk.

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SUP General / Re: New to the Zone.
« on: January 22, 2014, 01:53:37 PM »
I've always had custom surfboards. My last longboard was shaped by John Keys at Encinitas. I owned a series of Dill windsurfers until I left the sport; I still have an 8'2" in the garage. Conversely in standup I've never owned a custom board. They have all been production and I've been very happy with them. My most recent purchase is a production 2014 Naish 14' Glide GX. However in surf I've always appreciated the feel of a custom glass board. To me they feel more alive under foot compared to a production board. Though production boards are light and durable, my next SUP for surf will be a custom.

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Downwind and Racing / Re: More Glide vs Glide vid.
« on: January 18, 2014, 11:29:18 AM »
I placed an order for the Glide GX. The shipment is due soon. Wondered if you have had more adventures on the new Glide. Appreciate being able to see the board in action!

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PB it sounds like the 12'2" you have been using may be the pre-Cruiser Starboard. Is that right? I guess the performance trade-off of a more narrow board vs. a wider Cruiser is a poor one?

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Whitewater and River SUP / Re: LiquidLogic Versaboard
« on: June 08, 2010, 08:41:56 PM »
How does inflatable and plastic board performance differ on the river?

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