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I am getting a new board and planning to put the tape on before I ever put it on the rack. A group I paddled with over the summer pretty much convinced me. We met at a lake and paddled flat water and a lot of people had very nice racing boards and did do some recreational racing. I never heard any comments about speed, just paddle rash, lousy racks and drops while trying to carry too many things. I am fairly new to this and have lousy racks. This my first expensive board.

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Random / Re: Vehicle to Vehicle and V2X - Very Cool
« on: December 15, 2018, 01:35:37 PM »
Very cool! Still a few years away from widespread adoption. I look forward to the time when driverless technology will take many vehicles off our roads. It can’t happen soon enough.

Bob
Because many will be scared to death to go out there with all those driverless cars.

The most difficult programming in AVs is interacting with erratic humans. People turn left in front of you when there isn't enough time unless you jump on the breaks, run red lights, step off the curb against the light, etc. Other people have accidents when this happens. Not every time but often. But if an AV has an accident 1 in 1000 times when that happens, people are up in arms even though a person might have had an accident 1 in 50 times in those situations. I am just making up ballpark numbers; I think the real numbers are worse than that. We really aren't that good at driving. Most people think they are far better than average drivers and the stats are about other people. Some are right; most are not. But that is a big part of why people won't accept them.

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Random / Re: Vehicle to Vehicle and V2X - Very Cool
« on: December 15, 2018, 08:28:33 AM »
The autopilot experience from years back really isn't relevant to this technology. There is lots of negative anecdata out there, but compiled stats show a lot more competence by the machines. And they are improving every day with lots of ongoing development.

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Technique / Re: Dealing with nasty rollers on a touring SUP
« on: December 15, 2018, 08:20:09 AM »
I will absolutely do in and out practice in small surf before I do anything else.

I did some regular/prone surfing (which I don't really do; I took a lesson and then a beating trying to do it without the instructor helping) and I have been out on my little iSUP. Both times I got stuck inside a lot. The waves weren't all that big the time I took the iSUP, but they were when I was prone surfing. I did actually do a little paddling in the rollers beyond the breakers. I also went straight down the face of a wave and pole vaulted. I tried prone surfing 4 days before Florence made landfall about 20 miles away and the waves were already building ahead of it. Years ago, I paddled out and surfed back in using a whitewater kayak (I have decades of experience in kayaks) and had no problems at all. I expected those skills to quickly make me a competent surfer. Didn't work out that way.  8)

I am still confident that with a board designed to handle paddling in rough conditions I will progress quickly. I am a strong paddler, logging over 150 miles last summer, with a few trips over 10 miles on an iSUP that has the glide profile of a tennis ball.

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Technique / Re: Dealing with nasty rollers on a touring SUP
« on: December 15, 2018, 05:34:21 AM »
I will definitely watch the weather, but I have been out on boats on forecast good days and had a squall kick up. My brother is a yacht delivery skipper and I went along as mate on a trip. He took the direct route from JAX, FL to Charleston, SC. The coast curves in there, so you get pretty far out. I saw it go from sunny with smallish cop to very large rollers with limited visibility in the space of about 20 minutes. That was probably the roughest seas I have been in. It was bigger than the rough stuff in the video I link a couple of posts up.

I won't go that far out. i will fish some artificial reefs that are ~2 miles out and I hope to do this touring route for overnights a few times:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1AZ_tgA48sF41RQe35PenUPrbfiVKN_Cc&usp=sharing

If waves kick up, Shackleford Banks gets really bad shore break. Continuing on or turning back, depending on where you are, are the best options if it gets messy. If I saw it coming and reacted quickly, Shackleford landing would be doable. then either wait it out or hike down the beach or over the hill.

I also plan to do some paddling out past the breakers just for grins and to learn technique. Probably a trip or two to one of the sounds first.

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Random / Re: Vehicle to Vehicle and V2X - Very Cool
« on: December 15, 2018, 04:50:29 AM »
Yeah sensors will need testing and changing. Even with things like that, if you think humans are statistically safer than tech driven machines you are kidding yourself.  People jumped up and down when Google had the first accident, pointing to it as a failure and ignoring the huge number of miles the program had in so many cars and different locales. The accident rate for people versus machines will be at least an order of magnitude, maybe two, when they are interconnected and erratic human drivers are off the roads.

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Technique / Re: Dealing with nasty rollers on a touring SUP
« on: December 14, 2018, 06:01:27 PM »
I found one downwinding video that makes me feel better about what I may run into. It's big rough water. The guy narrating was on a 30" board and was talking about the stability and glide you get on the wider planing hull. Don't get me wrong; it doesn't look easy at all. I could end up kneeling in conditions like that, but it's plenty survivable.



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Technique / Re: Dealing with nasty rollers on a touring SUP
« on: December 14, 2018, 12:37:37 PM »
I was thinking that quartering might keep from burying the nose in the trough if the wave is steep, but I am likely overthinking it and won't see anything that steep.

I am going to have to get out there and get tossed around some. If I find someone to paddle with in Fernandina Beach (FL) around New Years, I may get a chance. I may end up just paddling around with kayakers and fishing on that trip though. Then likely waiting until spring as I have some surgery/recovery coming up from mid January until some time in April before I can do something with this much exertion. I hope to about it hard and often through the summer.

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Technique / Re: Dealing with nasty rollers on a touring SUP
« on: December 14, 2018, 06:29:24 AM »
I ran a lot of whitewater when I was younger. A lot younger; I was a professional raft guide and kayaked the Grand Canyon in the 80s. Powering through holes was a lot like that; if you commit to a line that takes you through a hole then accelerate as much as you can down the tongue and don't slow up until you are through it. I made a similar choice in water craft back then; I paddled a Prijon T Slalom, which was known as one of the more stable whitewater kayaks. But it was actively stable, not passively. If you drifted into a hole without a blade in the water pulling hard when you hit the wall you were done for. I am not quite as fearless as I was in my late 20s. That's not true - I am not nearly as fearless. I guess I need to get out there a few times and learn to fear what's behind me more than what's in front of me.

If the swell gets really big, do you always keep paddling with it? I know it probably won't really be as big as I will think it is, but i will still think it is. Do you start quartering instead of going down the face if the waves get steeper?

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Technique / Re: Dealing with nasty rollers on a touring SUP
« on: December 13, 2018, 05:06:56 PM »
So I need to learn to DW, but also to know when the waves are too big/rough for that and what to do then. Looking forward to learning to DW and it is easy to find info on that.

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Technique / Dealing with nasty rollers on a touring SUP
« on: December 13, 2018, 04:14:09 PM »
Next spring through fall, I will be doing some offshore fishing 1-3 miles out and some nearshore touring. In some cases when touring I may have a stretch of a few miles where landing will be difficult if waves kick up. For those who know NC, one place in particular is AB to CLO paddling in front of Shackleford banks, which is very popular with shell collectors because of the pounding shore breaks it gets when the waves kick up. So I could get caught in a pop up squall and have some distance left to cover before I can get to land. I got a board that is supposed to be able to handle it (within reason), a 2016 Naish Glide 14x30. Naish says:

The Glide 14’0” X30 GTW is the ideal choice for riders who want exceptional stability for touring, enjoying downwind ocean runs, recreational racing and fitness training. Its newly developed rocker and bottom shape easily adapt to flatwater conditions while the tail rocker still allows for outstanding open ocean performance. It features a penetrating V nose and a flat rocker for phenomenal gliding performance and has ample thickness and width for stability and early planing on the open ocean in any conditions.

No, I don't take the part at the end - "in any condition" - literally, but I think the board is capable of dealing with a hell of a lot more than I am (yet). I am really looking forward to gliding phenomenally. I would think that most of the time I will either be going with them or sideways to them though in some rare circumstances I might be trying to go into them. By them I mean big swell/rollers, possibly breaking on top, probably wind driven. Any tips and/or links to videos/blogs/articles would be appreciated.

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Who are these singlequiver.com people and who are they writing for? Excerpt: First of all these softboards are made with a sponge–like material called foam. They all have a defining characteristic with respect to other boards in the market, they give great stability and are perfect for catching smaller waves and its material helps avoid strong blows to other surfers because of the materials used.

Marvelous. Combining tautology and redundancy with a firm grasp of the obvious.

Later they explain that carbon fiber stores the energy generated during the bottom turn and free it progressively.

Confusing name - isn't singlequiver a contradiction in terms? That's called an arrow...

I am mostly a touring/distance paddler, but I want some surf skills to try DW and catch a few really small waves on the big board. I went prone surfing a couple of months ago, which I don't do very well, and took a morning lesson. The instructor taught me on a foam long board and I spent the afternoon trying to progress on a hard long board the buddy I went with loaned me. I was fine after the morning session but bruised and battered in the afternoon so I absolutely get why foam is great for for you while learning. But their text almost makes it sound like it's okay to mow down other surfers as long as you have a foam board. I think you would quickly learn that getting hit by their boards is a bit more painful...

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Gear Talk / Re: Help w 14 foot open water board board
« on: December 12, 2018, 02:31:24 PM »
When I talked to Joe Bark about the Big guy Eliminator being 29.5” wide he said “ falling off isn’t exactly fast”, he was correct as I’ve placed in my local races when faster guys are wiping out.
My balance is okay, but what it once was; I am turning 60 and the goal is to avoid decline in my balance. Improving it is not realistic. It isn't bad; I will be fine on a stable board. Anyway, someone said pretty much the same thing to me - any board is faster than swimming.  8)

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Gear Talk / Re: Help w 14 foot open water board board
« on: December 12, 2018, 06:38:49 AM »
It seems that this question pops up on almost every 14' board choice thread: "Should I trade stability for incremental increases in flatwater speed?" IMHO, no. The worst case scenario is that you get a board that limits the days you can spend on it. Nothing worse than sitting on shore, with a fast board tied to your roof rack, wishing you could go out in dicey conditions.

This was my thought process. I am probably low intermediate; this was my first year of SUP but I have decades of paddle craft experience. I got the chance to spend some money on something for my 60th birthday and when I think about what I really want to do a lot that I can't now, it's paddling out beyond the breakers to fish and/or tour. I want to do some multi day trips. I don't care about racing. I went with the 30" Naish knowing full well it is one of the slower 14' boards out there and that I don't need near that much volume. I will admit the pricing on this board did help sway me. But the thing that kept coming up in my mind is if I go down to the coast 15 times planning to paddle out beyond the breakers with gear, how many times will I end up sound side or scrubbing the trip? Or maybe worse, going on a day when I will have trouble standing.

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General Discussion / Re: Shark Eyes Deterrent Stickers
« on: December 10, 2018, 11:28:22 AM »
I have seen the zebra stripes. Check out this stylish garb. The real story of the escape from Alcatraz.


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