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Gear Talk / Re: JL Super Frank vs Destroyer
« on: July 16, 2021, 12:24:25 PM »
@Noo noo - where are you at? I think the other thing to ponder is how you want to ride. If you are more cruising and drawing longer lines on a wave then I would lean more towards the Destroyer, if you are on mostly short, wind chop type of waves than definitely the Super Frank. It's incredibly stable.

For reference, I used the 7'6" narrow Super Frank as my primary board @78 kg and it was super stable, and then had a longboard SUP (10'1" JL Black and Blue for cruising). I've ridden the Destroyer once and it is a really nice riding board, but agree with the others if you are looking at a lot of wind chop - Super Frank.

In any case, JL boards are top notch, you will not be disappointed.

Thanks APPST. Definitely wind chop type and short breaks more often than not. It does clean up from time to time and the waves are small and probably best suited to the Striker but by far most of the time I'm dealing with chop and mess.

I'm happily leaning towards the SF I think, I feel comfortable with what I've gathered from people on here etc. I have a minor quandary on size, either the 8'6 wide or the 9'0 lean. I know people will say I'll outgrow them but I honestly dont think that will happen quickly such is the crap surf I'm trying to learn in. Plus I'd rather catch more waves and have the greater stability. The board could also double up as a first board for my little'un in a year or two as well.

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Gear Talk / Re: JL Super Frank vs Destroyer
« on: July 13, 2021, 04:05:13 AM »
Thought I'd revive this topic as these are 2 boards that i'm interested in. Nothing like a bit of necro posting  ;D

This will be my first proper step down to a smaller surf orientated SUP and my gut says to be conservative with the size and aim for the 140L mark. I know some will say that's too big for an 85kg ad I'll outgrow it but my local has really poor and small surf and is super choppy. I'd rather have the stability and wave catching ability of less volume. I'm comfortable in knowing that might change in the future but I dont think it happens quickly and I'm ok with having to change further down the line. I'd hope to have a better idea of what would work for me at that point. What I would find useful to know is a comparison of the following between the two boards.

a) Stability, particularly in chop
b) Ease onto waves
c) small surf performance 2' conditions. I'm expecting the SF to be better but how much better?
d) Where do people draw the line conditions wise with the SF. I know the Destroyer can handle bigger, better surf but I have to be realistic and admit the chances of me seeing those conditions often enough to warrant a board for those conditions are a waste of money.

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General Discussion / Re: Does such a board exist?
« on: July 06, 2021, 01:40:37 PM »

Simsup is kind of a trade name for a simmons shape board: short, wide, parallel with a wide tail.

Here's a good recent thread on L41's  Simsup and related shapes:

https://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,37368.0.html

I think what's missing from this current thread is addressing whether the boards you've mentioned (RNB, Super Frank) which are marketed as good in small stuff, are also good in small messy choppy stuff.  I don't have the experience to answer. Just an observation. I would think the Super Frank would get you a long way, with both the 'lean' and 'wide' versions to tailor to your needs.     

Great point. Anything that will make my experience easier is a massive step in the right direction to be honest.

Thinking about it it should be the central theme to the whole thread I think. A board that will make the step down in what are awful conditions or on the very odd occasion of when it is good, its still small, easier.

It obviously needs to work if I do manage to get to better breaks but even then the chances of going out in stuff that is significantly bigger is pretty small, and it's still likely to be choppy (not as choppy but still bumpy)


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General Discussion / Re: Does such a board exist?
« on: July 06, 2021, 10:43:22 AM »
Let's say you were in akushaper and you wanted to shrink the length of your 11'6" x 29" and maintain stability, the board would naturally get wider.  I agree with Supthecreek, something in the 9'5" range will give you glide, and around 32" in width will give you stability.  To add to that if you widen the tail like a simsup, you can shorten the length.  Typically a 8' simsup feels like a 9' traditional board in terms of glide.  The wide tail accelerates quickly, which helps for weak small surf.  The lower the tail rocker, the faster it will accelerate.  Boards like this pack a lot of surface area under the back foot so when the wave pushes the board, and you push with your back foot, the boards tend to accelerate into the wave.  I haven't tried the Hypernut but the 7'10" x 31.5" 130L design looks like it might suit.
One thing I've noticed is that as it gets windy, any part of your board sticking out of the water acts like a wing.  For that reason, I typically prefer a shorter board when it gets choppy or windy.  Too much volume and the board sits further out of the water, exposed to wind, and the forces of it.  A wider board will be easier on the knees. 
I learned on 11' x 29" boards like you (guild factor 1.69), but progressed the fastest on a 9'4" x 33" (guild factor 1.54) [btw 130L gives you a guild factor of 1.5].  I would guess the volume of a 11'6" x 29" x 4" Hyper Nalu is around 143L (guild factor 1.68).  You didn't mention your height, but typically the taller rider will appreciate additional width to have the same leverage as a shorter rider.
But really the best craft for the waves you are talking about is a foil if the water is deep enough.  Add a wing when there is a breeze and you will probably have a lot of fun.  So you may want to consider a hybrid board.
To help carry your boards to the beach I highly recommend Beasho's shoulder strap:

One approach to lose weight is to pay attention to sugar in your diet.  The modern diet is messed up with sugar.  The liver is the only organ in the body that can break down fructose, of which has its limits.  The documentary film "That Sugar Film" sheds light on the subject.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3892434/

Thanks a lot. Lots to digest here.

My Hypr is 165L which is still on the slim side volume wise for a board of that size and thankfully does sit quite low. A 30-35L drop seemed a good step to go and brought me into the bracket of a vast number of boards. And as I've said above, I'd rather have the wave count than bragging about litres in the line up. I'm sure many of you have had sessions where you're catching pretty much everything while the prone guys just sit there having a chat. To me that is one attraction of SUP Surfing.

You're right bout remodelling it in all honesty as I'm looking to go smaller I really need to look at alternative shapes. I will need all the help from the shape that I can get. Width in the tail is certainly on the cards for all the reasons you mention. Having a pin tail etc. is well and great if you've got enough of a wave to shove you along. If you haven't then you're on the back foot before you've got anywhere. Similarly some width in the nose will also help I feel. Firstly it forces the rails into a more parallel shape which should add speed when paddling in. That would be useful. Plus a squarer overall plan shape should aid in stability (I think) provided it doesn't get too corky whereby it's bobbling round on top of the water with every bump knocking it one way or another. So that's my thinking and suggestions on here, along with yours seem to corroborate that.

I suspect that diving straight to 7'10" would be too bigger step to be honest, I'm happy to take my time on this. I want to get it right and have a steady upward progression rather than trying to take a huge leap and struggling for a while.

I haven't heard of Simsup before. The UK SUP market is a bit of a barren one to be honest. We don't get the vast range that you find in the US and Oz. We can dip into Europe but increasing care needed there since we opted to embarrassingly shaft ourselves.

Foiling. I'm trying my hardest to resist this. I kitesurf and there's crossover there but for now I'll stick to the excuse that my local beach doesn't have the depth. It honestly doesn't with numerous sand bars etc. appearing etc. at various states of the tide. It is honestly a fantastic kitesurf beach, I rate it as one of the UK's best for various reasons including the sand bars which create massive lagoon at one end. I am fighting a losing battle I suspect.

Diet. What a challenge that is proving to be. 7 years ago I was diagnosed with a form of kidney disease. Thankfully I've been stable since that short period in hospital but diet has been crucial ever since that date. Increasingly so now as I've pretty much gone vegan as the reduction in animal protein seems to be beneficial. It has in my case, however, it hasn't helped me lose weight at all. If anything I'm finding it far more difficult. Previously, I could cut down on the junk and carbs, increase my activity and I could get my weight down. Add a crap, sedentary job, family with the diet whereby my link between calories and filling satisfied is broken and I'm carrying too much spare. Some of the medication I'm on doesn't help either (water retention) so that's a discussion I need to have with my consultant next month. A couple of months ago, I basically decided to eat less, cut down on stuff, even tried some fasting and got back on my bike, literally, and got back in the water. I haven't shifted an ounce. Not one, which has left me scratching my head a little to be honest.

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General Discussion / Re: Does such a board exist?
« on: July 06, 2021, 10:15:10 AM »
Maybe a Starboard Wide Ride or Wedge?  They come in a range of sizes.

I have the 8'7" Wedge (143L) and I'm about 195#, beginner SUP surfer.  I usually surf dawn patrol so the conditions are generally clean or mild bump, beach break. 

Maybe the 9'2" version would be better suited to your conditions and requirements?

Thanks for the suggestion but I dont think they are really quick enough to be honest. They seem to be leaning more towards a performance shape with added width for most every day people. That is all good when in surf that actually produces a wave. My local beach doesn't do enough of that to be honest.

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General Discussion / Re: Does such a board exist?
« on: July 06, 2021, 01:01:06 AM »
Thanks again Surlygringo (great name). Ultimately I think you're about right regarding the 7'10" being the best size in the Hypernuts but I think that's the end game situation for me. I'm certainly going to pinch a go on my mates Hypernut on occasion this Summer. His family has 3 in various sizes from memory.

I still have a heap to learn and loads of development needed to be honest. In some ways my local beach is a pretty soul destroying and unproductive way to learn. The surf is so poor in the most part and spending hour after hour of just being battered is not great motivation but I have little option. And to be honest I am seeing small improvements and I know it will help me when I do manage to venture further afield. The alternative is probably sitting in the house so stuff that.

Stumbled onto another possible option as well. Jimmy Lewis Striker, probably the 8'11"

So far this conversation has been great as there are possible boards coming out that I probably wouldn't have considered. So thanks all and keep em coming!!

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General Discussion / Re: Does such a board exist?
« on: July 05, 2021, 12:42:12 PM »
I have had to surf a lot of crappy messed up surf while on the road and I think your best option is to  jump down to a short board. Boards in the 7’6” range work really well in that kind of surf and they can be accessible to newer riders if they are pretty wide. It helps a lot if you have prone shortboard surfing experience so that you know how to position for takeoffs and have a feel for getting back on the tailblock and compressing in your turns. But if you don’t you just have to have some commitment and be willing to pay dues for a week or two.
The only board on your list I have experience with is the hypernut. I think a 7’10” could work for you, but don’t go any bigger. Those boards need to be surfed as small as you can manage. They are very stable in chop and surf really well if get your foot back on the tailblock. It will be much slower paddling out the back and you will need to relearn how to takeoff. No more paddling in canoe style like on your current board. You have to position yourself where the wave is standing up more and learn to take a couple quick strokes and drive the board down the face with your front foot. They actually get into waves pretty easy, it is just a very different technique. I don’t think you necessarily need a “tomo” style board, just something wide for stability and short and light to snap around quickly in small waves. Avoid narrow noses and tails and try not to go over 8’ and get something as light as possible. Remember that in those kinds of waves you are moving slowly so flatter rocker and even the much maligned fuller rail can be your friend. Don’t be afraid to go as wide as 32” due to your conditions. I think you will have a lot more fun if you go shorter but wider. Those kinds of boards are not very popular at the moment,  but I have always found them to be easy to surf and very fun in crappy conditions.

Thanks for the reply. They do seem to offer a lot of what I need. I have friend that uses them exclusively and swears by them so I'll have to badger him when we get a chance to surf. It's unfortunate that I dont see him all that often.

I'll admit that I'd nervous stepping down too far in size and volume and I've no issue with using it as a stepping stone towards my preferred choice. I couldn't even say what type of board I'll ultimately like or what style of riding I'll be doing down the line.

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General Discussion / Re: Does such a board exist?
« on: July 05, 2021, 12:29:08 PM »
The Mana 9'5" wide body is a tweener board. I know a few guys (beginner to intermediate surfers) who have them. They will surf way better than your Hypr, but not a high performance sup surf board. Plenty of with and length and volume, but actually designed to surf with.
https://www.naishsurfing.com/product/mana-gtw/

ADDED TO MY LIST!!
Thanks for the recommendation. I've just seen a Supboarder review of the 8'10" custom which seems to tick lots of boxes.

More food for thought

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General Discussion / Re: Does such a board exist?
« on: July 05, 2021, 08:43:23 AM »
Thanks again. No chance of finding a Foote here in the UK  :(. I've never even heard of them until a couple of weeks ago researching stuff plus the SUP shelves are really bare at the moment. No one has any stock at all. Even the 2021 stuff hasn't arrived.

I never thought handles would be a thing, but they are, and Hypr boards are awesome apart from that after thought that seems to be stuck in there. Given the quality of the boards I do wonder if that was a compromise related to some of the internal construction or something. They are bad and it's simply a pain to carry the board any distance. I've a got a sling / leash combo thing which is fine for touring etc. Sadly not so much for surfing.

Not sure I want to go to around 10' to be honest, not unless it offers something wildly different to what I have. I'm not objecting to the idea but if such a beast were to materialise I suspect I'd be selling the Hypr as I'd have no use for it. Not against the idea but it does tick a whole load of boxes for me.

Just to note that I thought that the Stubby boards were designed for these kind of conditions? I'm just wondering if there's anyone that has taken that concept a but further and developed it a bit.

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General Discussion / Re: Does such a board exist?
« on: July 05, 2021, 07:09:47 AM »
Thanks for the reply.

My 11' 6" Hypr serves that purpose really well to be honest. Loads of glide etc etc. I've been fishing off it, used it as a family board etc. It also picks up waves really well (I'm the issue rather than the board) but I suspect that it isn't one that is easy to throw round on small waves.

I suppose I'm looking for something to compliment it as part of a quiver. Something that will be easier to throw round etc. My current list of possibles are as follows: (please note that I'm not adverse to oversizing this board to help stability / and or wave catching.)

 - SMIK Hipster Twin
 - Infinity RNB
 - Hypernut
 - Fanatic Stubby
 - Something from Sunova - Larger Speeed maybe)
 - Starboard Pro - largest one 9'0, my gut says this will be a struggle
 - Jimmy Lewis Super Frank


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General Discussion / Does such a board exist?
« on: July 05, 2021, 04:03:11 AM »
Daft question. I still consider myself a beginner SUP Surfer thanks to a b*****d job and COVID basically limiting journeys to the beach. Anyhow, I'm making a concerted effort to get out this summer and develop those skills. My current board is a 11'6" Hypr Hawaii Gun. Great board but weighs a ton and has an awful carry handle.

My sessions basically comprise of getting up early going to my local beach about 20 minutes away and trying my luck. The surf there is poor, really poor. It is not a recognised surf spot, great kite surfing spot but no real waves and any wind blows it out into a chop suey soup. Yesterday, sub 10kn cross on breeze was enough to make a mess of the 2-3' swell that was present.

Anyway, as I slowly but surely work at improving my head will turn towards a new board to reward myself later this year. I am in no rush. As I'm more often than not in poor surf, small waves and loads of chop the shorter stubby type boards seem a logical option. I'm probably looking at something in the 9' range, maybe shorter but I'm more concerned about making sure the board has enough stability, and equally important enough glide and speed to actually catch the slush I usually find myself in. I dont see me going below 130L. Any lower would probably too bigger step and secondly I'd rather have a high wave count over bragging about being able to stand on 95L board in the car park. I currently weigh 85kgs (187lbs) but that needs to come down (another area I'm struggling with).

So is there such a board out there that actually blurs the lines between a stubby styled board but has some leaning towards a more performance or maybe a long board type style?

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General Discussion / Re: Is anyone just SUP Surfing anymore?
« on: July 05, 2021, 03:36:13 AM »
I am, sort of. I'm still at the beginner stage.

I'm sure foiling is great but I'll stick with Sup surfing when winds are low and kite surfing when the wind turns up.

For me the benefit of SUP surfing is speed and simplicity. Change to wet suit, pull board out of bag, go!! Everything else has set up time, which basically makes sessions awkward for me.

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Gear Talk / Re: Another "What board" beginner question
« on: July 15, 2019, 07:34:56 AM »
This is what I've been looking at, haven't had a chance to demo it yet but its the Infinity wide aquatic 10'4 x 32 its classified as a utility board built with a true surf rocker. Im just not sure yet?

I've seen a couple of boards this shape now.

Hypr Nalu have the gun and other similar shapes.
Nah Skwell have the Fluid which I was looking very closely at.
Infinity now.

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Yes, the stability is gobsmacking. They have really discovered how to make a narrow board stable. It is rumoured that they will bring out a 14x26 soon, with a design along the lines of these gun shapes. It could be truly awesome. The 12-6 gun is really great, but at 29” wide it is perhaps almost more stable than it needs to be. 28” in this design at that length would probably still have been fine for most people. The main issue is getting people to believe how stable it will be! Many would look at a 11-6x28.5 low volume board and say “it will be too tippy for me”. But it’s actually more stable than my 10x30 Stylemaster. Probably even than my 160L 10-6x30 Naish Nalu.

I must admit I would have never gone for this board at all given the size and width in particular. Just need some dribbles now to see how it picks things up and see if I'll be able to turn it.

I think the big thing for me is that I now have a board that opens the door for lots of stuff and will be easy to partner with a smaller surf specific board later on. This will be used for pretty much everything apart from conditions that demand something short and really whippy. I'm a long way off that level though so this will do nicely until then and will probably even be usable in those conditions to a degree.


Well, Starboard new breakthrough innovation is a 20.5" board with
a double concave. You think they might have tuned-in to this thread?

RRD have also had a couple of boards some time with deep concaves. They also have one which has 4 (I think) but it's a real dining room table of a board. They certainly help to create speed so perhaps the Starboard is going to be a race board?

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Cheers A10 and no the handle is not a massive issue, a slight hindrance given that I sometimes need to carry a board a bit of distance to the beach. I've used carry straps in the past for that as well but found they break etc.

Yes, I'll sort the sharp edge on the handle with a little bit of filing and some sandpaper. It's not massively out, just enough that you can feel the difference across your fingers. To be honest I'm more concerned about the length when carrying it. I'm clumsy.

Yes I'm hoping for some 1 footers now but since I've got this board I've put the kibosh for a little while. Maybe mid week, we'll see, but even more practice on the board will do no harm, especially in turning it. I'll probably have to crack the step back turn to get it round quickly. I obviously cant comment on how it carves on a wave but it is really easy to bury the rail. 

As a side note I also took my 5 year old on it and we covered some distance, complete with a fishing rod. Had a few small Pollack to make things a little more interesting. Point to note is that I consider myself to be a novice paddler and my 5 year old is understandable nervous. Yet I was able to stand behind him and paddle with no issues, provided we stayed in the  flat stuff. I can only describe the stability as bizarre. You can lean over on it, sink the rail but the board still feels planted.


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