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Messages - Califoilia (formerly - SanoSlatchSup)

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Sano,  "Fixed it for ya as a better analogy w/ surfer "converts, weekend warriors, and inland people".  I think the original stood pretty well on its own.  I did a little work for MISTRAL and watched seismic growth of poleboarding spread inland and their warehouse grow to hold massive inventories ...' till it went, Poof!
Yep, fair enough. Guess it was kinda a geographical faux pas on my part, as we never really had a big invasion of "poleboarders" (even had to look that up to make sure we were still talking about windsurfers :D) in SoCal, and knowing that "cowboy" is a SoCal SUPer (foiler now)...so when he said "like you guys say" wrt windsurfing, thought the SUP was a reminder and better example of what he'd personally witnessed.

But you're right, it's not necessarily a better example, just another one out of many of the recreational sports that have had their heydays, that then slowly lost favor to the newest, next, latest, greatest sport to turn heads, and start wearing out credit cards.

I stand corrected.

They are claiming 24 to 72 hour worldwide shipping. Interesting to hear that. I wonder if there’s some new shipping system in place now, or if we have just a weird customs process in our way.
Unless they find some international shipper (which will just add more mulla to the cost), and they might get it out of their warehouse in 24 to 72 hours, but La Posta and the USPS as their current shippers are still a nightmare to deal with (not to mention US Customs put their who knows for how long delays on things)...I'm still not a fan of their shipping logistics plan. Much rather buy stuff from brands who ship containers to the mainland, and have stock on hand and shipping companies who can get it to in a couple days to a week once I hit the "buy" button. JMHO...OMMV.

I also like that he mentions weekend warriors on there. Really that’s the market and it’s good to see him address it out loud. That’s what hopefully will keep winging from becoming like you guys say windsurfing SUP did. Make it more accessible and keep it that way. We need to convert 100,000 surfers (and inland people) to make it worth sustainable  commercially I’d say.
Fixed it for ya as a better analogy w/ surfer "converts, weekend warriors, and inland people". ;) ;D

SUP equipment started out really expensive, and then once the inland people weekend warriors thought they'd become "sarfers"...they industry took off, equipment prices were cut in half (even more if they bought direct from the Costco Surf Team), and the waters were littered with clueless noobs in the lineups everywhere. Just be careful what you wish for, everything comes with a price...either monetary or otherwise.  8)

Gear Talk / Re: Apple iWatch with Dawn Patrol SURF TRACKING
« on: January 26, 2021, 11:10:00 AM »
Paddle in surf versus wing is not comparable. In my opinion. Neither is Molokai to Oahu.
Yep, a buddy of mine will toss the rope as soon as he's up on foil behind his boat, and will have 15, 20 minute (sometimes even longer) rides w/o ever coming down. Heck, sometimes he even rests his legs so he can go longer later... ;D

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Baja Daze
« on: January 26, 2021, 08:54:07 AM »
Up until now I haven't really loved any of the high aspect tails.  The 420 cut to 400 feels pretty nice, though.  I am going to try it at 380 as well and see if that makes it better again.  I really like the 390 so that is still my high bar.
Makes sense (as does what DW says about different strokes/stabs for different folks), and I too loved the 390...up until I found the 420...after I wasn't able to get the 460 to work on the 900...but loved it on the 860, go figure (yeah, I'm a mess :o :D).

The 420 on the 910 and 900 just feels like a nice combo of the 390's maneuverability with its tip to hold in the turns, and is much quicker closer to the 460 speed wise, but holds way better in the turns than the slippery/looser 460 does.

I think a lot of the discussion has to also do with front wing choice. As mentioned, the 460 worked great for me paired up with the 860, and I believe that has to do with the fact that the 860 has a much lower AS than the other two (6.10 to 6.80+), has the most surface area, and the "deep V" design.

All of which slow it down quite a quite a bit comparatively, and the "V" design works to lock into the turns better in itself...so a looser tail like the 460 speeds it up, but doesn't make it as squirrelly as it does the faster, looser HA and faster wings in the surf on a SUP at least.

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Baja Daze
« on: January 25, 2021, 09:48:23 AM »
Wow! Beautiful, and stoked you're able to stay at such a great place, have lots of fun, and especially being able to do it all with your daughter and grandkids enjoying it all with you. That's something very special for sure. 👍🏽💪🏽🙏🏽

Curious with your decision to cut down the 420 and losing the tips, instead a 460.
We have been using our trusty Axis 760/860 and the 390 tails so far while we adjust to the new Ensis wings but I just cut down my 420 tail to 400 so we will see how that goes with the 980 today.
The 420 tips were a game changer for me with just enough hold of the tail paired with the 910 and 900 than I was able to get with the 460 which liked to slide the tail a bit more than I was comfortable with.

Gear Talk / Re: Apple iWatch with Dawn Patrol SURF TRACKING
« on: January 24, 2021, 09:49:01 AM »
To go 34 mph....
...you need to be seatbelted in a car. Y'all are crazy out there.... :o ;) ;D

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: January 24, 2021, 09:37:41 AM »
So here's the thing, Rob is talking about "pendulum" flex, and I'm more concerned with "torsional" (twisting) flex that I immediately felt in a turn with the 76V1, and none at all with the aluminum 75cm.

Yes, if I stand with both feet on the rails and wiggle the board side to side with a big wing underneath, sure I can feel a little pendulum feel in the aluminum mast - which is about a 1/10 of what I felt when doing that on any carbon mast I've been on (the GF Maliko being the worst) - but I don't foil surf with my feet on the rails, and I don't turn the board/foil that way either.

It was the torsional flex that got kept me off GoFoil (didn't realize it until riding Axis aluminum), and the Axis 76V1 didn't win me over either with its - while less than the GF - torsional flex underfoot either. While Rob talks about loading and unloading of the flex, I felt it as a delay in my inputs to the wings below me with carbon.

So when I'd go to make a turn, it felt that while I was getting the board to start making the turn, the wings underneath me were still wanting to go straight, and it was that fraction(s) of a second delay caused by the torsional flex that threw off my timing just enough to make the turns feel much less controlled and instantaneous than I feel with the 75cm aluminum mast.

That said, in talking with a couple other guys surfing the 76V1 on prone boards, they said that they didn't feel that same torsional flex with it, which led me to believe that some of it might be that I'm on a SUP foil using a front strap that I use to help pull the board around to help with my turns, and that that added leveraging is what's creating the two different feels we were getting from the same carbon mast.

So I think a lot of whether you like a carbon mast - regardless of brand - will have to do with how you surf the foil, and what feel(s) you'll get out of the Axis carbon mast you're thinking about. The new V2 seems to be laid up differently in cloth direction (vertical vs diagonal IIRC), and just checking the torsional flex on the beach with it, it seems to be much more rigid than the V1, but still not as rigid or stiff as the aluminum...but I've yet to actually test that out in the water to say for sure.

Foil SUP / Re: Axis 420 tail
« on: January 22, 2021, 09:38:11 AM »
Yeah, running the 420 with the 910 on an ultra short fuse, and love it. Going to try the 420 with the 900 today just to see how it works in comparison to the 460 I tried with it previously, and didn't particularly like it. Just a little too slippery in the tail for my tastes, and hoping the 420 will tighten it up a bit, but still maintain the 460 speed and pump-ability that I liked....compared to the 390 I had been running on it.

Foil SUP / Re: Foilmount shims
« on: January 22, 2021, 09:30:34 AM »
Yeah I really like the foilmount hardware. Originally they were designed to use with their stick on plate so sometimes the bolts were a little short for foil ready tracked boards. Now they just came out with some longer bolts sizes. Makes it easier for catching the back bolts with the nuts. And you can have threads showing even 3 shims stacked. It's really convenient.
About time they did that. I stopped using their Wizard Hat nuts and bolts when stacking more than one shim didn't leave me enough room for get the nut on...and I'm too lazy to be swapping nuts and bolts back and forth just because I changed the number of shims I happened to be running at any given time. Might now go give them another look if they've gone longer bolts.

Thanks Califoilia, good info.

I should have mentioned this board is a wing foil board and not a SUP foil board.  I can still use the 6’6” to foil surf.

The 5’4” is specifically designed for wing foiling which is another reason I was questioning its stability.
Roger that. Saw you mention everything but wingdinging in your post, but should have realized that being that you posted it in the "Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP" section.

So from what I've seen (I don't wingding myself), 95 liters will be more than enough for winging, and you could probably go even lower with a little experience.

From what I'm told, the wing adds stability wanting to hold or pull you up once you get it above your head...in essence, making you lighter as it pulls you up off the board somewhat.

The general rule of thumb I've heard for winging board volume is your weight in kgs. So at 180 lbs, a wingboard even down around 81-82 liters would work for you (I use weight in kgs + 20 (give or take) for my SUP foil boards) .

Foil SUP / Re: Foilmount shims
« on: January 21, 2021, 09:01:38 AM »
I don't have any trouble measuring the angles, but I don't have a reference line for the angle of the board floating in the water with me on it. No matter, I'll experiment to find the right combo. this is a lot thicker than my funky tape and card shim. I'm looking forward to seeing how it goes.
I use shims to level the deck to the fuselage when needed. It's my believe/theory that the foil in flight want to find "level", so I use whatever shims are required to level the deck of the board to the fuselage, so when I'm just standing, gliding down the line w/o any input to the pitch...my board is level in flight vs nose up or nose down that makes maneuverability from those odd angles more difficult...IMO naturally.

The length is definitely doable, it's just be a matter of whether you'll be comfortable on a board that'll be floating just at the waterline or slightly below it.

I recently paddled a 5'1 @ 99 liters comfortably at me 185 lbs, but it was certainly a challenge paddling into waves with it, because I was pushing a lot of water, instead of gliding on top of it.

So when I ordered my 5'1x27" SUP foil board, I thickened it up a bit to get a more comfortable, and easier paddling 102.5 liters in it. Just know that you won't be getting as many waves with a smaller, less volumed board as you do with your current board.

But if you're willing to give up a few waves to gain the added maneuverability, and pump-ability of a much shorter, smaller board...then that 5'4 might be what you're looking for. My current board is 5'7x28"@104 liters, which catches waves great, and is so much better in the air than my older 6'0x28.5"@110 liter board.

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: January 19, 2021, 07:54:45 PM »
Very nice, looking forward to testing the new wings when he makes down south to our neck of the woods in the next month or two.

Foil SUP / Re: Shits and giggles/River wave foiling
« on: January 19, 2021, 11:27:15 AM »
Thanks for posting that! I love how you've seemed to have found the "endless wave" that we all dream about.

The takeoff technique still have me a little baffled - riding backwards on a foil seems super difficult - but whatever it is, you definitely have it mastered. :)

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: January 19, 2021, 11:13:47 AM »
Incidentally, in my experience carving on the face of the wave does exactly the opposite of "slowing you down". Dave K told me "If you can't pump, turn." Most of my falls from the top of the ladder (top of the wave, overfoiling, falling to the bottom) is because I got going faster than I can control my foil by turning on the top of the wave. To me, it feels like the throttle got stuck. I survive bottom turns much better by running too far out of the wave, getting my turn done before the wave catches me, and then pumping to speed up before it rolls me off sideways. Not elegant, but it sort of works. I call it the Geezer Bottom Turn.
Yeah, the bold is my experience also. At times with the 860 it seems a little doggy speed wise compared to the 900, so when heading down the line to setup a turn, I'll sometimes "pump" the wing by making some quick, successive turns (not complete top/bottom ones, just partial up and down the face) to pick up speed...that I eventually work to the top, and then nose down into my true, subsequent bottom to the top turn.

Also, the above "nose down" is just that, I feel as though I have to "dive bomb" it down the face so as to not over foil it, and have the wing breach as I'm picking up speed in (with) the turn, and the wing wants to lift, thus levels out through it, and I'm back looking to hit the other side with speed and height again.

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