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Sessions / Re: Surf, Sun, and Fun
« on: September 01, 2020, 06:00:02 PM »
That's what it is all about, looks like a boatload of fun, nice!

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New unboxing video on the Unit.  Enjoy!
https://youtu.be/6YUCqUcGSCU

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I know that the discussion internally is that the Carbon booms have to be strong enough to handle a 7m with a heavier guy riding in strong wind conditions. By the time you make it strong enough, the weight will be the same as the current aluminum boom and the time and money spent may be a wash, worst case is you break it then it hurts you or punctures to wing!  If you love DIY go for it otherwise buy the boom which is very reasonable price and spend your time out there riding or chasing the wind or talking story on the beach (with your mask on please).  The Echo has so much leech pressure that DIY boom making will have to be significantly strong than for the V1 foil wing.  Some people have questioned the huge amount of leech pressure but that is what gives the Echo the awesome bottom end power (I got this info straight from Ken Winner btw).   8)

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We will start shipping to authorized dealers (who support the wing sport) starting at the end of next week!

Great news Dan, any idea of the retail price?
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Sure do:)

4m is $799.00
5m is $849.00
6m is $899.00

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Wow some great videos in here!  I loved the Frenchie gal riding with the Dolphins.  That must have been so fun.   :)

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Probably the most notable charistic of this wing which makes it different from all of the other inflatable center strut wings=IFCW's out there, is the s-curved center strut which brings the trailing side or leach end of the boom closer to the body for a more relaxed and natural riding position which is especially noticeable for toe side riding which this wing will be used for a lot since it will be preferred by downwinders and wave riders who generally don't switch their feet as much.  Very cool feature that Ken Winner clued in on after extensive testing riding waves and downwinding.   ;D

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Pretty cool video. I wonder what's availability date? 2021  ???
We will start shipping to authorized dealers (who support the wing sport) starting at the end of next week!

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That is a great looking wing.  The handles looks like they have an inner soft handle with an outer sheath of some kind.  Anyone know more about that?
You're exactly right they have a super comfy webbing handle with soft Eva molded around them. 

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I like the longer mast for downwinding, but for jumping, I still like the shorter mast.   8)

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Great little review OBXDave! 
I agree with you on many points here and should only add that I am sure they didn't want to increase the price even more which they would have had to in order to make new boom end tools which are quite expensive. 

I am loving the new stuff and soon we will have the UNIT which I believe will rival any inflatable center strut wing on the market:)



It’s raining and I’m stuck inside, hence the long post :P

So finally got my 6m, 4m and 3.3m Echo’s. I have about 2 hours of total riding time so far on the 6m. That would also make 2 hours of total riding time on any 6m for me excluding a few minutes trying out a 6m F-One Swing. My only reference point has been the original 4 and 5m Duotones and about 90 minutes on a 5.3m  Nash S25. 

Just as advertised the Echo’s have much stiffer canopy and leach tension over the originals. The funky tension line is easy to deal with and feels invisible while riding (unless my “regrabs” are way off).  It pumps me onto the foil faster, generates lots more speed, screams upwind, and luffs way better than the V1 (I still prefer to  hold the front of the boom rather than the front handle). I consider the performance similar to the 5.3 m Naish S25 I owned for a brief time (discounting the size difference). Other than the standard handles versus boom preference brooha, there is still a bit more dihedral in the Echo than most wings,  though less than the originals. It doesn’t mean diddly for jibing (they all jibe well), but it does make a difference for rolling in a tack. Swinging any lumbering 6m wing over in a tack takes (MORE!) heft compared to those teeny wip-around 4m’s, which I’ve spent 85% of my time riding other than the 5m V1. They just don’t respond as quickly.  I spent a fair amount of time just getting used to this big boy, but eventually got a bit more comfortable with it.  I could actually get the 6m Echo to go over on my first tries, although it did occasionally need some help to roll quickly enough. The F-One and Naish needed  major hand pushing help to roll. Maybe that’s just incompetent me.

The only irritating issue (which I knew going in) is the molded boom end that presses up  to the leading edge has a smaller curvature radius than the inflated  leading edge (for both the short boom on the 4 and the long boom on the 6). So it bites into the leading edge just a bit.  Really Ken? Hey, as long as it doesn’t affect long term durability, no worries. No effect on performance. I won’t call it a real complaint yet, and there are some fixes I can think of.  The oval boom is a nice upgrade. The extra dump valve doesn’t seem to be necessary at all, but it’s there, so be it (unless I’m missing something).

The video is all with the 6m, which was really the challenge test for me.  The first hour session was 12-23 mph and there was overlap to ride both 4m and 6m. Only spent 20 min on the 4 (a bit underpowered) so not much to say yet other than it felt great and should do just fine in it’s sweet spot. Even with enough overlap I completed the full indulgence and have a 5m Echo coming in a few days (something about being at that age of wanting to check out with more toys and less money….).  No interest in the 7m at my 77kg.

If you want an all out luffing wing for surf conditions, or just like the simplicity of handles, by all means stick with the F-One, or the other great handle options. One other minor side note, booms have their minor hassle factor but I hardly notice it. I DO appreciate not having that to add to the inflate/deflate work load. I could inflate/deflate my 10m Airush Ultra faster than that Naish S25....


https://youtu.be/D756yLrYWnY

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Last year when I was riding with Ken Winner he was hitting 25 and sometimes 26 mph on a downwinder from Maliko in 18ft seas!

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Classifieds / Re: WTB Used Go Foil Mast
« on: June 06, 2020, 08:21:22 PM »
I have one.  It has been used quite a bit and has a small crack where the mast meets the fuse.  I talked to Alex A at GoFoil and he said it was only in the topcoat and won't affect performance or longevity  I haven't used it in a few years but I would sell it for 100 shipped to you.  PM me if interested?  Its the Tuttle version and I bought it new in 2018.   

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Hey Paddlur,

Yes, we have owned Fanatic windsurf boards over many years and they had all been great.  This board was a 2019 SKY SUP and it had a really light construction.  In just a few weeks of use it had 4 fingertip sized shell cracks that went through to foam.  They were all from different occasions.  In my opinion it was just underbuilt.  I saw the 2020's and it looked like they had already changed construction so I am hopeful that this has been corrected.
Admin:  The 2019 Fanatic Sky SUP were cnc and vacuum bagged at Cobra, since we knew they would have to be changed quickly we didn't invest in molds at Cobra.  The new 2020 boards are Cobra Molded boards, and I would say 2x's stronger and more impervious to dings than the 2019 models.  Anyone who knows the biz, which you do:),  can appreciate the build quality of a Cobra molded board.  Also much more expensive because each size is made using 2 molds, one for the foam inside and one for the overall.  The new 2021 Sky Wing boards are made in China at the same factory as the Duotone directional kiteboards.  They are super light and built pretty damn tough. Tripple vacuum-bagged from what I have heard. I have only ridden the preproduction models and I loved the 5.0 at 75 liters.  I still have trouble getting going about 15% of the time but I am starting to figure it out and what works for me and my sensitive knees. 

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Winged Surfer:  I post them on my Youtube channel.
Phils:  Yes the new wings will be another evolution forward. 
Jimk: Thank You!

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FYI to thos who are wondering.  The new Echo wings (with boom) will be arriving in the US in April we are hoping with all of our fingers crossed.  The first batch of Wings is almost sold out already.  Our most frothy dealers have put in their pre-orders.  The Inflatable wing will not be released until the summer with best-case scenario.  But with Covid looming anything could happen, some factories have already announced temporary shutdowns that will inevitably delay the arrival of the new foil gear.  Any other questions feel free to ask here.  I have been recently promoted to Lead on North, Central, and SO America Wing sales for Duotone along with my normal Fanatic SUP/Wing sales position.  Looking forward to what the future brings in this exciting new sport.  I will be posting a video of the unboxing of the new wing Echo Wing, High Aspect Hydrofoils, and Sky Wing boards asap.  Stay tuned. 8)

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