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Downwind and Racing / Re: Stunning speeds of the pros

« on: November 27, 2018, 11:16:28 AM »

on a 12'6" or 14'? on a 14' such speed on that distance is easy to achieve...

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Sessions / Re: The Irony of Sup

« on: October 04, 2018, 01:43:41 AM »

Hello,
Beyond etiquette  suggest few tips due to experience.
- I agree on some beach breaks there are no clear channels to paddle out, so it's difficult for someone paddling out to avoid surfer's path... right of way does not prevent surfer to avoid collision. But a (prone) paddler  cannot move so fast! i note too many people (especially beginners) fear about quickly paddling out, which may avoid such situation.
-I personally refrain at all times to let my board go, if there's a closeout, I keep riding foam till I can stop, but always try to remain standing up on the board, if i kickout, i also avoid airborne kickouts (long ago it costed me 6 sitches on head)... may be the habit to ride a longboard leashless ( uncrowded small conditions) helps me a lot... ( I never SUP ride leashless however) . we must consider leash as a safety device, during a good session the leash should never get tight... except in a wipeout.

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Sessions / Re: The Irony of Sup

« on: October 04, 2018, 01:43:01 AM »

Hello,
Beyond etiquette  suggest few tips due to experience.
- I agree on some beach breaks there are no clear channels to paddle out, so it's difficult for someone paddling out to avoid surfer's path... right of way does not prevent surfer to avoid collision. But a (prone) paddler  cannot move so fast! i note too many people (especially beginners) fear about quickly paddling out, which may avoid such situation.
-I personally refrain at all times to let my board go, if there's a closeout, I keep riding foam till I can stop, but always try to remain standing up on the board, if i kickout, i also avoid airborne kickouts (long ago it costed me 6 sitches on head)... may be the habit to ride a longboard leashless ( uncrowded small conditions) helps me a lot... ( I never SUP ride leashless however) . we must consider leash as a safety device, during a good session the leash should never get tight... except in a wipeout.

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Downwind and Racing / Re: Paddle Blade Coatings for a Race?

« on: October 01, 2018, 03:52:50 AM »

Boundry layer, also called limit layer, laminar, turbulent, means a lot... purpose is to get it as thin as possible.. on a paddle blade I guess purpose is NOT to take water out with it.
on a hull, 400 to 500 sand paper... many other solutions here...and finally!!!   https://www.gp14.org/a-smooth-bottom-is-a-fast-bottom/

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Sessions / Re: Unlimiteds don't like to turn into the wind....

« on: September 25, 2018, 03:15:20 PM »

Reminds me of the good ol' days windsurfing when we'd have [miraculously - holding the sail with one hand] yank the daggerboard and you'd be flying downwind; a water sprout squirting out the daggerboard-well, daggerboard hooked over your elbow, hitting alternatively the waves and your head.

Only the coolest survived.

I put tape  as lips below the well.before result was same while down winding, except my well was much smaller.

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Sessions / Re: Unlimiteds don't like to turn into the wind....

« on: September 25, 2018, 07:53:51 AM »

@area10
quote
That arrangement is not needed for those conditions, and any problem being encountered is likely due to a combination of poor standing position, the wrong board for the conditions and application, and poor paddle technique. unquote
I fully believe and agree that you might be a super-expert paddler ( I know some of them like that ex C-ist as well)
now I may humbly pretend: why not make things easy ? i do not pretend to be a super paddler but I succeeded to make a podium (kahuna cat) at france championsihips... and I still promote the way to make things easy. i agree that why to turn a 14' or UL side or against wind when you may go only downwind? it may happen that you need! why to be stable sidewinds? it helps! why to step more ahead  and have a lateral Canoe-style paddle stance when, if you can arrange wind lateral force apply same as hull+appendage, and paddle easier with optimal balance? ,  when you need?
why to be unsafe when such piece of wood and/or fibreglass gives you additional safety it you need to turn upwind?

why to have a board designed for sidewind when you can hust have an appendage designed to improve accessibility in such conditions?
Olivier's"Paddllespot" board on the video is a 17'6'' (about) elliptical section shape which works great in flat water and light downbreezers it's unreal, narly PERFECT shape it just misses stability side winds/chop. the daggerboard transfprm it in anaccessible tool. why to say it's useless?

I confess he should  fit a rudder on the machine, then it becomes a awesome tool...


quote Keep it simple IMO: get a board designed to handle the conditions you paddle in, and learn how to paddle it when the going gets rough.unquote

In such case why to put daggerboard on sailng boats, huh??!! suggest only fixed keels and rudders! daggerboards have been invented in many different places, for performance but also safety.. americans had been very advanced in boat design since early 1800's, I guess not all turn idiot now... okayI agree toda's challengeis foiling but not only

it reminds me a rough D'winder couple years ago departure was sidewinds about 1 mile before the run, me and my tippy board semi-rounded section shape but with a removable daggerboard,my friend' same level as me but on a more accessible board) needed to kneel while I was standing with that wind, chop and backwash abeam, and paddling times the left, times on the right!... once lined on the run, i just removed daggerboard, and there starts the fun, without fatigue before... WHO got the best board? ME because I got faster either sidewinds or downwind, thanks to that 28" piece of wood!

Elitism is NOT the solution for anyone, after that ... Up 2U

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Sessions / Re: Unlimiteds don't like to turn into the wind....

« on: September 25, 2018, 01:20:54 AM »

I am still not convinced... but I should try.

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Sessions / Re: Unlimiteds don't like to turn into the wind....

« on: September 24, 2018, 06:54:03 AM »

The first reason I would prefer a ventral over a daggerboard is drag!

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Up to you but I don't see anydrag issue with drag as it's easy to stick lips which close it... it's less drag than empty fink, and ca be remover by pulling it out from deck.( or someot them with paddle blade)
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I can remove it or add it mid ride anyway since it's a click-it fin, which I did many
times and it saved my ass couple of times as well.
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Can you remove it without  put your board upside down? a daggerboard takes couple seconds!
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 And don't even think
about using daggerboard as you will collect pebbles in all the shallow sections

And unless you don't put your board in the sand, pebbles, gravel, etc,, there is no such issue...  hte only issue is a bit more complicated construction and additional weight, but not so much more as afin box. Honestly, for having used it for 8 years, I do not find any negative issue.../ easy balance when you need, added stability, reduced fatigue, easy to put on and remove... on a choppy side-wind race leg it can make all the difference . It board is equipped with rudder, turning ability is greatly improved, etc, etc...

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Sessions / Re: Unlimiteds don't like to turn into the wind....

« on: September 23, 2018, 12:58:15 PM »

I deal with high winds (25+) coming from unexpected directions quite often. The one thing
I always carry with me is the Abuelo ventral (Aercore ventral), I can paddle into the wind or
keep same trajectory in cross-wind just by pushing on the rail, thus maintaining optimal trim
for the board and maximize on my paddling effort.

When conditions turn on us like that, the Bullets with the rudders can't keep up.

and your ventral becomes a problem when  downwinding... I DO not understand why we don't see more  removable daggerboard/centreboards... that was fitted on american boats in mid 19th century... and on allwindsurfboards/ that's the only good solution sorry I do not want be agressive but ventral fin idea is a long way back...

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Sessions / Re: Unlimiteds don't like to turn into the wind....

« on: September 23, 2018, 12:52:48 PM »

efect when turning with a rudder and a fore daggerboard...

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Sessions / Re: Unlimiteds don't like to turn into the wind....

« on: September 23, 2018, 12:25:11 PM »

THE DAGGER BOARD OPTION IS THE SOLUTION
If you want to turn easier upwind, then  a daggerboard positioned ahead your feet helps a lot, espetially if a rudder is fitted ( you move pivot point ahead)
my 18' is equipped with a rudder and 2 daggerboard cases: one abt 1' head feet, 1 abt 1,5 ' ahead rudder. generally on DW conditions I do not use daggerboard, excepted in very choppy conditions i put it just ahead of rudder.

if using a daggerboard with a fixed fin, board will mike to drive straight, if it's use with a rudder, it turns unreal. simple hydrodynamics.

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Downwind and Racing / Re: 14' vs unlimited

« on: September 21, 2018, 09:50:58 AM »

4) sure UL means everything longer or different than a 14' monohull,
the length IMHO depends on size & weight of peddler. a light paddler on a 15' x 22-23" can gain as much speed than a heavy one (over 220 lbs/100 kg) on a let's say 18' x26" as such long board is semi-planing hull type (concaves and such work well on shorter boards, when you go longer there is not much hull speed limit anymore... my rounder hull 14' board is incredibly fast on a medium DW, it's just a bit too tippy to hold a choppy water long distance run... my 18' x 25" with angular rails but rounded bottom is SO fast in DW,,, a bit too long for me;17' should fit better... the more weight and power,lhe longer you can afford!
Other aternatives are multihull ( a surfs hull with outriggers and foils for example???),,, it can be nearly as fast as a OC2 or surfski... I build such craft (16'8"with stabs, need improvement to perform on DW, on flat it's just awesomeas SO easy
last option is foil SUP. Can somebody hold speed on a long distance? quite physical IMHO...except elite if really good DW conditions?

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The Shape Shack / Re: custom 14' questions

« on: May 31, 2018, 01:41:44 PM »

Hello, awesome job...looks like very  SB 14' sprint inspired ?
I personaly prefer rounded bottoms...less fast on a sprint, may be less stable, but much faster at average stroke cadence...different points of view, think those concaves good for connor's style only...

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SUP General / Re: The weight of water in helping reduce volume

« on: May 28, 2018, 10:12:17 AM »

Pierre, My experience is the opposite.  One of my first boards was an Allwave 9.2; I thought it must have been too small because it pitched-n-rolled like I was standing in a canoe  ...I traded for a 9.6 AW.  Chi't that was worse!  I was ~190lbs.  Those rails were so thick that any chop put against them made them react instantly.  I am not an acrobat.

Contrast that with the Sunnova Shroom or even the Skate, where the rails remain awash.  I don't buy the logic about water above the waterline acting as a counter-weight.  (What do you figure; about 8oz of water along a rail to counter the lever of a 6' post with reactive, hydraulic braces?   (maybe if you added a 6x24" center fin.))  I experience 'chop washing over the rail' as less reactive.

My 'sense' is that thinner rails, and a lowered CG with adequate width is the better option for my local surf. 

Jim

for a wave SUP board I agree that we don't care that much, but IMHO the feeling of stability in such case comes when board is not affected by bumps and backwash because volume is not so much so small bumps will wash above deck. my 100 ltrs 8'5"" x27" x3,8" with flat deck and S-rails is by feeling  almost as stable as my 8'7" x28" x 115 l..., but I have another-not shaped by me- 8'6''x 27''1/2 x 100 l with rounded deck and les volumeat nose and tail, which i feel much less stable... personally I prefer flat deck under my feet, I also think , that longitudinal stability is very important. Insufficient volume at nose and tail is a disaster as placement must be very accurate.

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Downwind and Racing / Re: Longest river race in France: Dordogne intégrale 130 km/81 miles

« on: May 26, 2018, 05:20:27 AM »

Hey Pierre

The video link is not appearing in your post. For me at least. 

If it is truly gone, can you repost?

Thanks!

hello

and U-barrel: 

I am at abt 1:00 mins and 7:52 with my bug...