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On the online magazine WIND there is a complete 3 pages article with pictures of the new F One wing : THE STRIKE.
Does anyone has access on this magazine?
A detail on the new Strike wing that I gleamed is the handles seem to be much improved and I think they are movable/removable

That would be fantastic.  A few refinements and this should be outstanding. 

I scored a little solo session on the 3.5 yesterday.  Pretty great but very gusty.  Made me think how good these wings already are and how well they deal with whatever you throw at them.  Ours are over a year old, used by both of us (a lot) and they are in great shape.  The 3.5 and 4.2 are almost a full quiver for me.  They cover 14 to 30 really well and they are useable outside of that range.  It is too easy and consistent just to use those two so I never end up rigging anything else.  My 5.0 is gathering dust.  If all they do is extend the handles I will buy them again.  If they do stiffen the handles, make them movable / removable, or stiffen the wing, that will be gravy.

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: October 27, 2020, 03:35:42 AM »
I heard a rumor about a new large surf-style foil wing from Axis sized around 1850. Does anyone have any info on that model?

I also saw a rumor on a so-called new “Black” line/series. Any info on that?
No info on either, but good golly, what a mistake an 1850 "large surf-style foil wing from Axis" would be.

Hell, they already have large surf-style foil wings that handle the smallest of minuscule surf bumps out there. Can't imagine needing an over 6' wing in the surf, and if they're talking 1850cm2 in area...they already have the 920 (@1852) and the 1020 (@2051).

So I don't get it if that "rumor" is indeed true. :-\

Now I did see/hear that they have a super large surf HA-style foil wing they're out playing with. But whether or not that ever comes to fruition as an actual model in their line is still a little ways off I'd imagine. 🤫

No inside info at all here but I am imagining that Axis was feeling a little boxed in by their current fuselage thickness.  Great wings already for sure but there are only so many dimensions to work with and if one of them has a hard limit...

If they have indeed done a thinner fuselage (and likely new hardware would be required) then I imagine that we would see some revisiting of older designs with a new freedom.  This could result in some terrific new wings for the upcoming season.   

Random / Re: Electric Surf Vehicles in 2020
« on: October 22, 2020, 03:42:17 AM »
Hummer.  Not as bling as I expected.  It is a good looker.  Super capable spec (and a price tag).  Not sure it is a surf vehicle but pretty cool to see.  Looks like Ford is going to be alone in the 50K "conventional" EV truck market in the short term.  That is interesting.


Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: October 21, 2020, 08:47:45 AM »
Hi Hdip,

They really had to do another fuselage.  With the thickness of the current head they had limited themselves from being able to design thinner foils.  This will certainly result in a bunch of new designs.  I am stoked to hear that they are working on super high aspect but I am also hopeful for some new more neutral designs. 

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: October 21, 2020, 03:26:49 AM »
Stoked to see this one.  Sounds like a very quick combo with the new 420.  I wonder about sustain.

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: October 21, 2020, 02:20:47 AM »
I saw this comment from Adrian Roper from Axis over on Facebook (in a funny thread which turned into a debate about the most important single factor for foil design):

Adrian: back to the original question my main ride recently (prototype wing) has been a wing with an area of 1200cm2 but span of 980mm, a mean average chord of 124mm, aspect ratio of 7.89. Great fun very fast, carvy and fun to ride. Not 1000cm2 but close and I am 89kg.

Sounds like there are some new super high aspect foils in the works.  4.9 inches of average chord. 

Check out Jeremy in the vid below.  Not winging, but the principle is the same.  He isn't vertical bouncing like the above video at all.  He is starting by gaining speed and then syncing progressively stronger forward pumps as he gains speed.  He basically swims it slowly upwards but always driving his pumps forwards. He is cycling pressure from back foot to front foot in a delayed rhythm.  The vertical bouncing tends to plow the nose on the down so it slows as much as it lifts. 


Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: October 20, 2020, 09:06:41 AM »
Thanks! Yeah, that looks like a simple typo (there are a lot of errors on that doc).  This 420 is going to be super low volume.  That sounds really nice.  We will have to try one!

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: October 20, 2020, 01:13:55 AM »
The 390 has about 3x the volume of the 460 and appears to be their highest volume tail (even more than the 500).

Do they have that info online somewhere (volume, etc)?  I would love to see that.  It would seem odd that it was higher volume.  It feels the same thickness as the other tails and it has less chord than the 400 and above.  I have been really happy with the 390's but it would be cool to see what this one does :)

Yeah!  A new addict. 

9-10 is tough.  When we say 10, that is what is reading as our average windspeed.  There will always be gusts and lulls above an below the average.  If 10 is your top gust, that is painful.  If it is 10 with gusts to around 14, that can work.  It is much nicer when it is 14 with gusts to say, 18.  That is terrific wind to learn in. 

I missed your post from Sept.  That sounds great.  A minute is a lot of flying! 

What you wrote about having your weight too far back is a really big part of getting this sorted.  You want to feel centered so that you can put back foot pressure on the foil without feeling like you are behind it.  If you feel like your kit is angling up in front of you when you take off, your body is too far back.  That is really hard to recover from.  You want to be balanced and able to apply that pressure with a little shift of your hips to pressure that back foot.  It isn't a stomp or a body shift.  This happens a lot when it is light because you want to be flying.  If you don't have the speed, just shifting your hips won't get you airborn, so you tend to lean back in an effort to fly.  That may get you some lift but it wont last.  You will plop back down or worse.  :)

The key in light wind is to be selective.  Crab slightly upwind until you see your gust.  Look upwind at the water and wait for the darkest cat's paw.  When it is almost on you, center your body, sheet in to turn a little down wind and start some slow ease-in wing pumps even before the gust gets to you.  Do that gently just to get the board tracking.  Then when the gust hits you give some progressively deeper and more powerful wing pumps.   Wait until you have decent forward motion to apply back foot pressure.  If you go to early you are going to stall and will need to start again.  Lift off at a low angle.  All you want to do at first is free the board.  Don't worry about climbing right to max height.  Once it is clear you are home free.  Then you can climb up faster or pump up to height.  In short, weight centered, decent speed and ease it up. 

You can and will modify all of that in many ways over time but this is the core takeoff for light and mid weight people. 

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: MFC 2021 Foils
« on: October 18, 2020, 02:45:03 PM »
Try these:

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / MFC 2021 Foils
« on: October 17, 2020, 01:56:51 PM »
Great 3.5 day at Swell today.  Super fun swell and just us at the beginning (then only a handful).  TJ (Big Winds) was doing some sup foil laps testing out this new kit for 2021 from MFC.  Low aspect at the fuselage but High aspect out to the tips.  Very polished looking kit.  He had a 1450 and a 1250 with him.  I imagine we will see some video soon. 

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: October 17, 2020, 08:03:02 AM »
So if/when there is another iteration, I could certainly taper or reduce thickness. But would reducing drag 10-20% result in a sales increase enough to cover the cost of new molds and tooling? I don't know... not a gamble i can afford to take at this time.

I think that it would definitely be worth the effort.  You have already come most of the way.  I considered buying a couple of your masts but I didn't want to add the drag back in that we had shed from our Axis 19 aluminum masts.  If you could achieve what Axis has in terms of drag reduction and keep your stiffness and weight that would be exceptional. 

This is a natural for crowdfunding.  I suspect that you would get a significant response.  You would certainly know if you were fully funded before you spent any money and you wouldn't need to go out of pocket at all.  At this point you could move to a single base (industry standard track) and do away with the adaptors there.  That could clean up and simplify that area a lot.  3-4 lengths would likely cover it.

Yes, I am pushing you to blow it up :).

PS:  A question.  Could you taper to, say, 75 cm and then flow into a straight section that you could then trim to achieve various sizes?  You are the expert in strength but if that would work it might allow you to make only one or two molds.

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: October 17, 2020, 12:43:15 AM »
Unless you are racing, in which case the thinner masts reduce drag. But this is a small population, which is why I developed Project Cedrus.

Hi Kyle,

I dig your design and I have witnessed guys who are loving your masts (and ripping on them).  Very cool!

I get what you are saying and, no doubt, weight and stiffness are 2 of the big 3 key mast factors (with drag being the 3rd).  I do think that extra 3 mm across the wetted length matters for winging.  That is drag that we all have (most of us not racing).  Less drag translates to early take offs, better glides and less stalling.  We see foil companies marketing on shaving of 1-2 mm of thickness on their new foils (and in a lot of cases that comes at the expense of lift which is not the case with a mast thickness reduction).  This is all part of that same drag equation. 

You had mentioned in another thread that you could do tapered masts using your design and construction, but that they could not be custom sized.  Did I get that right? 

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: October 16, 2020, 09:10:26 AM »
I also have to wonder if the differences in power sources that were both using doesn't have something to do with it also.

My guess is that it does. 

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