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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Upwind/Downwind
« on: August 09, 2020, 01:39:27 AM »
A pretty good day at Swell today.  3.5 and Armstrong 1850 with 232 tail.

Looking good, Phils!  Man, has this been a sweet stretch of conditions.  We did almost 4 hours of up/downwind on Friday.  Launched at the Event Site did a few short up and downwinders and then headed for the tunnels.  We stopped and played at every good swell line on the way up.  We made it past Swell but got turned around by some gusts that were way out of our wing size ranges.  Good thing because I was damn cold by the time I got back.  I have no idea how many miles that was.  I do know that when I got home I ate a huge bowl of pasta, turned on the news, laid down for a stretch on my entryway carpet and woke up there 3 hours later.

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: F-One Swing
« on: August 08, 2020, 06:44:18 PM »
Hi Bill,

These are just the stock leashes that F-One includes with each Swing.  I am not sure if they sell them independently.  It might be worth a check.

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: F-One Swing
« on: August 08, 2020, 03:31:38 PM »

Yes, I still love the leash.  It has just the right amount of shock absorption to stay taught but never jerk you too hard.  That is all just coming from the elastic inside the woven outer. 

I can understand what Paddlur and Clay are saying.  On my 4.2 (which I use a lot) the back handle is just barely back enough.  Riding toeside I have to jam both hands way back in the corner of the handles to get the wing forward enough.  An extra two inches would be super nice.  On really smooth days we can just fingertip any of these wings and all is good in the world.  But, when the wind gets challenging or super strong, we have no choice but to grab on tight.  A stiff and slightly longer handle would be awesome!

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Ensis Wings
« on: August 07, 2020, 08:50:47 AM »
Sweet Mike,

Do you have the V1 with windows or the V2 without?  How are the handles?

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Ensis Wings
« on: August 07, 2020, 07:24:46 AM »
Looks like a V2 without windows is in the wild now (for sale at least in the UK).  Great looking wing.

Random / Re: AC 75 boats, flaps and footage - Unreal
« on: August 06, 2020, 06:15:29 AM »
That is a substantial risk.  Facebook now knows that I will blow 15 minutes watching:

Anyone making an epoxy table
Anyone doing anything with a lathe
Guys in 3rd world countries digging holes with rudimentary tools and turning them into palaces
The breakdown and reassembly of any engine

Random / Re: AC 75 boats, flaps and footage - Unreal
« on: August 06, 2020, 03:11:35 AM »
No info about the speeds in that vid but 40 to 50 Knots is the range that is being used for top expected speed.  Amazing

He now has a 2 new HA wingfoil wings a 1250 and 1480 which look awesome.

Do you have a link to those?  Interested to see his direction.

Random / Re: AC 75 boats, flaps and footage - Unreal
« on: August 04, 2020, 04:41:50 AM »
Yes, it is a facebook video.  You won't likely see it unless you are logged in to Facebook.

Iíve been thinking recently about how different wings feel pumping...not from a wing tip catching point of view, aspect ratio, or anything else, but from how they feel when you ďhammer on themĒ ....full body pumps.

On many wings, the canopy collapses on the push out stroke, then inflates on the pull in. So when you are underpowered for a given size, the wing gives a flappy (in the middle) unsatisfying lack of power feeling.

The only wings I can think of that actually felt rock solid and satisfying in this particular area is the WASP and the Echo. All the rest, have had some level of flappy ness.

So with that said, the Unit having the canopy attached rigid to the strut for 2/3 of its length, makes me go hum...will it match the feeling I remember in the WASP, and what I have currently in the Echo? The old Duotone was flappy BTW.

Yes!  We were at the Hook two days ago and Chan was teaching her sister to wing.  I was watching from shore.  There were a dozen or so beginners on a variety of wings.  One thing I noticed is that they were mostly pulling and pushing symmetrically, so, exerting a lot of energy but doing almost as much to stall forward motion on the recovery (push) as they were creating it on the pull.  I think we all improve at making the wing more transparent on the recovery and more present on the pull through cadence and motion but even so the wing can help (or hurt) a lot.  I have gotten used to what the Swing does but I am sure that it could be improved.  You lose a lot to floppy handles alone.  There is a lot of room to improve there.  This is also where too soft a wing (through underinflation, design, or both) will kill you.

Good to know Admin, thanks!
Must make some difference, just not sure how much.

I think it is very noticable.  Basically a third of a cm or so across a foot and a half of wetted mast.  It feels like an aggregate drag reduction from the minimization of each component.   This along with less draggy tails allows smaller, faster, funner foils and air wings in lighter winds and through the holes.  Stall speed improves a lot even on foils that seem kind of impossible.  I think we are at the chopping off hunks phase.

Random / Re: AC 75 boats, flaps and footage - Unreal
« on: August 04, 2020, 12:26:29 AM »
I'm not advocating for it but watching this (and having flown drones in high wind) I can't help but think how fast a fully autonomous version could be (in terms of live performance but also logging and development).  The only thing holding these back is the humans. 

Random / AC 75 boats, flaps and footage - Unreal
« on: August 03, 2020, 01:11:45 PM »
This is mind blowing stuff.  Beautiful footage that will get the blood moving.  Plus flaps - Awesome.

Have you guys ridden the 6.4m Slingshot?

I gave me fits on poor jibes. Nothing for me to grab. I ended up grabbing the harness line to pull the wing to me.

So in my opinion, that intermediate handle Fone includes, but you donít use riding, you really miss during general wing handling and unexpected situations. So 3 handles are better than 2 in my view.

I consider the Slingshot 6.4m to be a 2 handle wing. Those extra ones in the back, cannot be reached without causing a shoulder injury for old guys.

So if I were Greg, the Cloud would include the intermediate handle. Maybe not as cool, but more user friendly.

Itís nice to see the Unit comes with the intermediate handle. The Unit is the handle wing I find more interesting.

I agree with you DW.  Handles still have a long way to go.  Seems like a huge oversight with such an easy solution.  I am fine with two handles but they need to be double wide and stiff.  I am hoping that F-one will nail this in November.

Another data point to throw in;
The Gong 100cm carbon mast is about 1.4cm thick down near the fuse. The chord is 12.5cm.

One more.  The 96 cm Axis carbon is 1.5 cm x 11.1 cm chord at the wet end.

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