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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: January 14, 2021, 03:27:00 AM »
Those look sweet.  They look a lot thinner and even more refined near the plate.  Plate looks thinner as well?  Can't wait for the 960's to arrive. 

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Hooray, I figured out how to make my gybes up on foil...itís all about how high out of the water you are riding.  Because I was afraid of crashing, I would ride low to the water, but thatís exactly why Iíd come off foil during my gybe.  Staying high on the foil gives you much more time to make the turn before coming down and pumping helps a lot too. Something so simple but makes such a big difference , I am making most of my gybes now and even managing riding backside before switching stance.. itís weird but itís like it clicked all of a sudden, but the key was staying high on the foil!!

Congrats Carib!  What an accomplishment. 

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: January 14, 2021, 03:06:05 AM »
Can anybody advise me which tail to use in combo with the S860  for winging in more than 20 knots?

Don't care about being superfast, just want it to turn nicely...

The 860 is magic with the 390 tail on the Short fuselage.  This is your feel good wing at 175 lbs.  Super easy, controlled, turny and fun.
I am 190 lbs / 86 kg

I used the 460 two days ago and the 390 yesterday with the 860 , 75 carbon mast and Short fuse.
Both days I was wel powered up , with the 460 I was on a 4m2 wing (20 knots), with the 390 I was on a 3m2 wing (25 knots)
The mast is too short when it gets really windy and the sea is very choppy, but I am waiting for the 86 mast..

Most notable was that  I breached a lot more with the 390 , one reason for that is probably 5 knots more wind.
But could it also be caused by more downforce from the 390?

Perhaps I should use a shim?
Or get the 760?
Or just move the foil a bit back in the tracks?

Hi Soekip,

You and I are on the same program.  A loose, glidey feeling without hitches, and turns without requirements is what matters most to me.  Top end speed is secondary.  Quick acceleration is really nice, though, and resistance free glide is great.

My experience on the 860 is a little different than yours.  I find that wing almost impossible to breach.  I am using the 960 mast, though, and only for winging. 

I also have had a different experience with the 400 vs 390.  For me the 390 is a much quicker tail.  The 400 and the 390 have the same incidence and thickness but the 390 has less chord (80 vs 90), and length.

I wouldn't call the 860 and 390 a speed kit but it is quick enough to be super fun.  The 460 wasn't for me so I sold it.  In hindsight I should have cut it down.  I am likely going to cut my 420 down to 400 and then 380 to see how that goes.

My guess is that I am just  not a high aspect guy.  I enjoy trying it but in time I always gravitate back to flowy fun.   

The 890 and 810 sound great and I have super high hopes for those.  I am hanging on to the 860 and 760 because I love those two and could happily spend another season right there. 






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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: January 13, 2021, 02:54:22 PM »
Hi Cali,

Yes.  The 880 and 980 are part of the new HPS (High Performance Speed) line.  There are 5 of these coming.  The 890 is part of the upcoming BSC (Broad Spectrum Carve) line.  There are 6 of these coming.  There is also the 1300 in the P&G (Pump and Glide) line.  12 new wings and 3 new tails. 


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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: January 13, 2021, 07:35:51 AM »
Can anybody advise me which tail to use in combo with the S860  for winging in more than 20 knots?

Don't care about being superfast, just want it to turn nicely...

The 860 is magic with the 390 tail on the Short fuselage.  This is your feel good wing at 175 lbs.  Super easy, controlled, turny and fun. 

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: January 13, 2021, 07:32:22 AM »
The new HPS B Series foils are now up with specs, descriptions,  and pics on the Axis foils site.  Bottom of pg.1 and continued on pg.2  https://axisfoils.com/collections/wing-foil-wings

I am a bit disappointed, the S860  is now my goto foil for winging and I use my S920 under 17 knots for winging. I tried the S980 and I did not like the way it turns at all...
And the S1010 and S1150 are also not my thing.
I was hoping there would be a bigger S860 but it is all HA foils as far as I can see?
Perhaps the 890? But it will probably be less surface than the 860.

Come on Axis , why not a 960 with 1500 cm^2 ?

The 860 and the 890 have the same area.  The 890 is part of the new Broad Spectrum Carve wing series.  The 3 smaller BSC wings go on the black Fuse and the 3 bigger ones go on the Red Fuse.  There is a 970, 1060 and 1120 coming.  You should find some love there :).

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: January 10, 2021, 07:25:18 AM »
Chord is more at 65mm versus 50mm for the 420.

420 is 60 chord.  Interested to see how this goes for you. 

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Random / The Gorge in Miniature
« on: January 08, 2021, 02:40:46 AM »

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Yes!  Sometimes it will just give you little warning signs, kind of like, "Buddy, you are too close to the wind".   Other times it comes at you all at once and can slam you hard, just like if you had actually crossed through the eye of the wind.  That one sucks.

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What exactly is backwinding?  I have the Duotone Unit 6m and am very happy with it's performance in winds 13-20mph

Windsurfers use Backwinding to mean sailing with the sail between you and the wind.  In that position you are pushing out on the sail.  There are a lot of backwinded tricks in windsurfing and a lot have now translated to the wing.  360's, Heli tacks, duck tacks, Hoss tacks, push loops, Vulcans, Spocks, and most of the new school tricks are all backwinding tricks. 

Above they are using backwinding to mean wing collapse or distortion.  This can happen when you are cranking high into the wind and at speed.

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You know who really deserves a beating?  Whoever made the garbage below.  I mean, how could they not know what a SUP foilboard should look like?  Probably worth noting that Tony was the first to use a handheld inflatable wing and the first to foil on one.  He's a creative guy. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JaE57jHuIc

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Anyone know what happened to their Wingcraft line of boards? They were out very briefly somewhere but then disappeared. Looked like they could be promising. Without that it doesn't look like Slingshot has a line of boards for wingfoiling at the moment.

I happened upon that item on the MacKite website in the fall.  It was likely just put up when their web team was working on the item page for the upcoming season.  I know that we do that on our retail sites, usually when we get preseason order confirmations.  They took it down shortly after I posted.  It is most likely that we will see that board available in the spring.  I couldn't see all of the details but it looked pretty good.  I was very happy with our Outwits considering how early they were.

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Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: January 04, 2021, 04:01:30 AM »
Here are some details:

420: New for 2021, with flat and high aspect section, and 17mm winglets on the tips for more stability while hard carving. FAST and high performance
400: A smaller and faster version of the 460 rear wing. Designed for the pro rider in you
380: An even smaller, faster and higher performance rear wing, carrying the same design principles as the 420

I am looking forward to the smaller tails.  The 980 that I have is really cool.  Mine is very low incidence at .5 degree.  I have no idea what anyone else has.  Right now I still have a bit too much tail influence so I need to either flatten the tail more, drop some tail area or both.  I am very OK spending a little time tuning this one out because it is a smoking foil.

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Low wing on the surface doesn't work well with big wings because they are always dragging/catching so you end up holding them high where they are inefficient and spilling a lot of air.  That ends up in a lot of pumping which doesn't really translate to speed or flying.

I've found this too and not really come to a good technique to resolve the problem. I'm not sure if the loose canopy of the 6SP is helping and whether a tighter one is better for on water pumping. I'm interested to see how the new Superpowers have been developed. Maybe I should just try the 5m more in light winds but then sometimes even with the 6 I'm struggling for power once up and foiling.

Yes.  I know that my 5.0 was a mainstay and possibly my most used wing early in my last season.  Once this takeoff clicked, the 4.2 filled that spot.  When there is pushy swell the low angle, no pump takeoff gets even easier.  It usually takes 3-4 good (wing) pops in flat water and light wind to make it happen.  I see a lot of guys hanging off of 6 and 7 meter wings and really fighting to get going.  The wings just won't allow an efficient surface position so the extra wing size is effectively lost due to angle.  It is a downbound spiral. I am not moving > I need a bigger wing > more angle again > less efficiency again > frustration.

The other major factor is boards.  I see guys on super rockered boards that are putting up tugboat wakes.  To combat this they are carrying monster wings.  Again, downbound spiral. 

Wind makes everything work and covers up a lot of problems but when it gets flukey or really light this other stuff matters a lot.

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