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SUP General / Re: any oahu guys have a report on kolohe?

« on: February 16, 2011, 02:00:39 PM »

Howzit steam.......in addition to what we already know (that Kolohe was injured and sent to the hospital when he and a sup surfer wiped out together last week)...... here is the latest info.

Kolohe is at home and doing well. He and the sup surfer are good friends. It was simply a surfing accident and there is no hard feelings or bad vibes with anyone. The sup surfer has spent time with Kolohe making sure is friend is okay. I also just learned in talking with Blane the it was not the SUP board that hit Kolohe, it was the sup surfers body that hit him. Just an unfortunate accident, that thankfully was not worse.

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Events / Re: Ku Ikaika - On Alert

« on: February 25, 2010, 04:52:30 PM »

You beat me to it Nate!.......lol

Nate and I were are just talking about that this morning, what a bummer it would be if the best swell hits one day after the waiting period ends on Sunday. Tomorrow is going to be big (8-10 Hawaiian) on the west side, but that is still marginal for the size waves they are looking for. However, Monday is supposed to be quite a bit bigger in the 10-15 Hawaiian (15-25 faces) scale. Cant wait!!!!!

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Events / Re: SUP Surf judging criteria

« on: February 24, 2010, 03:36:49 PM »

 -Creating a triangle will lead to a 50% reduction of points on any guilty rider’s highest scoring wave.

I am sorry for my ignorance, but what does "creating a triangle" mean... it must be bad... and I want to make sure that I am not doing it with regularity.

Thanks,

Tim

 Hi Strand... The triangle is a symbol used on the judging sheets to show 'Interference of one rider to another'. Like, already being up and on a wave, going right on that wave, and having some other bozo drop right in on you... The judges would draw a triangle around around the offenders wave, score the wave and the tabulators would then reduce the score accordingly and count it as one of the waves used in the offenders total score. It usually hurts his/her score enough to make it nearly impossible to advance out of the heat...               JD

Exactly..........An interesting note to this interference rule is that it differs slightly from the ASP's rule. The ASP reduces the offending surfers SECOND BEST wave scored, whereas this rule penalizes the riders BEST WAVE scored. Making it, as JD said, virtually impossible to advance.

Just for fun here is an example

ASP
Surfer A scores an 8 and a 4 for heat total of 12 points. However because of an interference he loses half of his second best wave and now his scores 8+2 for a total of 10 points instead of 12.

OR

8+4=12 total points
8+2=10 total points (adjusted for interference)


Stand Up World Tour
Surfer A scores the same 8 and a 4 for total of 12 points and also gets an interference. Only this time his best wave is cut in half so his score is 4+4 for a total of 8 points.

OR

8+4=12 total points
4+4=8   total points

As you can see the penalty is much stronger in the SUP contest than the typical ASP or other surf contests.

I mention this because there was a concerted effort to reduce the amount of hassling and snaking that happens at most surf contests. It makes the surfers more accountable for their actions towards each other in the water. It allows for the SUP SURFING itself to help determine the winner. All to often, especially in past years, surfers won heats, contests and even made careers out of their paddling and hassling abilities over surfers who were more talented but lacked those characteristics.

That is also why the ASP made the change several years to start judging surfers on their best two waves rather three or even four waves per heat and also why the SUP tour kept the the maximum wave count to the low number of 6 waves per heat. Again, it helped to limit the hassling and made the surfer really focus on doing the most with each wave he caught.


 

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Events / Re: Ku Ikaika - On Alert

« on: February 23, 2010, 04:58:16 PM »

I always thought (HAW) was part of (USA),
but i guess that doesn't apply at Makaha and the westside.

It has been this way forever and is nothing new or unique for Makaha or this contest. Ever since the inception of professional surfing the IPS (international professional surfing) and then ASP (association of Surfing Professionals) they have differentiated Hawaii surfers from mainland USA surfers.


ASP link
http://www.aspworldtour.com/2010/ratings.asp?rRat=menwct&rNav=Men

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Events / Re: SUP Surf judging criteria

« on: February 23, 2010, 03:00:26 PM »

Sorry if missed anyone who requested this info. If I did, please free to PM me with your email addy and I send this criteria as an attachment.

In case anyone else is interested in seeing the judging criteria that was used for the Sunset Pro I will post it here as well. Of course as with any judging criteria you guys might change or alter somethings to better suit your specific situation.


                                          


                                              Sunset Beach  Pro 2010
                                                         Event Format

*4 man heats with best 2 advancing
*Best 2 waves counted
*Maximum waves allowed-6 waves in 25/30 minute heats…..8 waves in 40 minute
 Final


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THE PADDLE IS A TOOL AND BIG PART OF THE SPORT; THEREFORE IT IS NOT JUST USED FOR CATCHING WAVES, BUT IS A NECCASSARY TOOL (AID) FOR RIDING THE WAVES.



General Judging Criteria:

•   A surfer must demonstrate board handling skills in the transition phase (description below) of their performance for it to be considered complete.
•   A surfer must perform radical controlled maneuvers using the paddle as a key tool in the critical sections of the waves with speed, power & flow to maximize scoring potential.
•   Innovative/progressive  surfing  with a variety of maneuvers, wave negotiation and use of paddle to increase intensity of the maneuvers will all be taken in to account when awarding points for SUP surfing.
•   the SUP surfer who executes these criteria with the maximum degree of difficulty and commitment on the waves will be rewarded with the higher scores.

SUP Scoring Considerations:

•   Good SUP transition time (end of one wave to paddle in to the next one) should be spent standing paddling with good technique and table wave negotiation.. Kneeling, laying or sitting while paddling, unless necessary for safety is regarded as bad SUP form.  Note the critical element:  to the best of a rider’s ability he/she is expected to stand up on the board at all times throughout the heat, unless the situation of safety dictates otherwise.  

•   Entry into the wave should be by paddling in the standing position to enable the maximum score.  
•   Surfing- average scores for all maneuvers will be allocated unless the paddle is used as a pivot or tool in maneuvers, then power, radical moves, critical sections and degree of difficulty are the deciding factors.  
•   Competitors will start from the beach unless directed otherwise by the contest director.

•   “Using the paddle”: the paddle is correctly used in SUP surfing to do three main things; it is used in turns as a brace, a pivot, and a force multiplier.  A surfer will be scored higher when he uses the paddle in some or all these three ways to achieve sharper or more powerful turns.

•Tricks such as twirling or otherwise using the paddle in a non-functional manner will earn little or no extra score for the surfer.

•   Traditional long board surfing compared to progressive SUP surfing techniques: because the paddle allows large SUP boards to be turned with high rates of speed and power, stand-up paddle surfing is deemed to be, at the competition level, a performance-centered branch of surfing, much like conventional short boarding.  Footwork, nose riding and style points will be scored, but this will be done in their relationship to the criteria of degree of difficulty and critical nature of wave positioning.
•   If a rider cannot sustain the standing position throughout the heat (in transition and surfing) , this will be regarded in the same manner as improper use of the paddle and judges will only allocate average scores to his/her performances at best.
•   ‘Oceanmanship’: riders should show good etiquette on the water: i.e. ‘snaking is frowned upon and respect and watching out for fellow competitors, especially when conditions are challenging is looked on very highly.
   -Creating a triangle will lead to a 50% reduction of points on any guilty rider’s highest scoring wave.



Principal Scoring Points:
Judges analyze the following major concepts when scoring waves:
•   Commitment and Degree of Difficulty
•   Innovative and Progressive Maneuvers
•   Combination of Major Maneuvers
•   Variety of Maneuvers
•   Speed, power and flow
•   Long bearing turns
It is important to note that the emphasis on certain concepts is contingent upon the location and the conditions on the day, as well as changes of conditions during the day.

•   Scale Utilized:
•   0.0 – 1.9 = Poor
•   2.0 – 3.9 = Fair
•   4.0 – 5.9 = Average
•   6.0 – 7.9 = Good
•   8.0 – 10.0 = Excellent
Surfers and fans need to understand that certain aspects of surfing score higher depending on the location and the conditions at that location.  For example, the same approach to stand up paddlesurfing in classic Sunset conditions will not score the same when applied to classic Teahupo’o conditions: Sunset will call for more Innovative, Progressive and turn based Maneuvers whereas classic Teahupo’o conditions call for more Commitment and Degree of Difficulty.


Surfers must perform to the Stand Up World Tour Judging Key Concepts to Maximize their scoring potential.

Judges will utilize a 75-25% ration being that surfers will only ever get a maximum of 75% (7.5 pts) of the scale for surfing only one aspect of Modern or Traditional, up to an additional 25% (2.5 pts) can be added when the two aspects are combined.  Incomplete maneuvers will not be rewarded.

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Events / Re: Ku Ikaika - On Alert

« on: February 23, 2010, 02:24:16 PM »

I sure hope they run it, it would be a fitting exclamation point to what as already been an epic El Nino winter. Hopefully, the swell and winds will cooperate, we shall see. If it goes I am there!

Is this event strictly an invitational, or are there going to be some "Open" heats as well?  It's always nice to see an unknown guy get into the main event.

Evan

Yes, it is an invitational. Much like the Eddie, the Ku Ikaika is a specialty one day event comprised of invited surfers who have proven themselves in big  waves.  They did run a TRIALS portion before the main event when they ran the inaugural Ku Ikaika in 2008, so I asked Jody Wilmott about that when I spoke to her a few minutes ago. She is going to clarification for us, but basically said a trials portion could happen again, but that may depend on what kind of  swell window they will have to work with on the day of the contest. If it does happen, those spots would likely go other local proven big wave surfers.
 

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Events / Re: SUP Surf judging criteria

« on: February 19, 2010, 01:31:43 PM »

Does anyone have a set of judging criteria specifically for SUP surf? I have a few people who want to add a SUP division to their surf contests, but don't know how to adjust the judging to accommodate for the paddle, etc.

Thanks for your help!
John

Aloha John, I have the printed out judging criteria for the Sunset Pro that was used on hand. I would be happy to give you that and answer any other questions you may have.




I will PM you my email and phone number

Bill, could you do the same for me as well. Va Beach has 2 contests that have embraced SUP divisions and they are looking to me for help. It would be greatly appreciated..

Sure Rick , happy to help out. PM sent.

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Events / Re: SUP Surf judging criteria

« on: February 16, 2010, 01:24:26 PM »

Does anyone have a set of judging criteria specifically for SUP surf? I have a few people who want to add a SUP division to their surf contests, but don't know how to adjust the judging to accommodate for the paddle, etc.

Thanks for your help!
John

Aloha John, I have the printed out judging criteria for the Sunset Pro that was used on hand. I would be happy to give you that and answer any other questions you may have.

I will PM you my email and phone number

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Events / Re: 2010 Stand Up World Tour begins - Sunset Beach Pro -5th-14th Feb

« on: February 10, 2010, 07:19:09 PM »

We were able to run off three heats this morning, but as mentioned it just got to big and washed out to continue. Actually heat 4 had already paddled out to the line up, but conditions changed so rapidly during the he 30 minutes of heat 3, that the call from head judge Leleo Kinimaka was not even run heat four. Definitely the right call IMHO.

There were still some very exciting moments in those 3 heats, including some great rides and 3 broken boards. Ekolu Kalama was very impressive as he caught some huge bombs on his way to winning the first heat. There was a lot of west in the swell. Ekolu took off way way outside on a west peak, then faded LEFT for what looked like a hundred yards or more and then raced back right across a massive critical section. The skill level of these guys in this kind of monster surf is truly amazing. Guys like Ekolu, kala, Robbie Nash, etc thrive in conditions that would terrify normal surfers.

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Events / Re: 2010 Stand Up World Tour begins - Sunset Beach Pro -5th-14th Feb

« on: February 07, 2010, 04:17:34 PM »

Unreal pics Blane! No doubt that had to be tough just watching and not surfing. On the other hand, to say your boards were WELL represented out there is an understatement!

BTW-is Kawika Carvalho related to either Steve or Timmy Carvalho?.......both are insane surfers who spend some time living in HB back in the early 80's. Despite our local talent, I still consider Timmy to be one of the very best tube riders on the north side of HB pier I EVER saw.

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Events / Re: 2010 Stand Up World Tour begins - Sunset Beach Pro -5th-14th Feb

« on: February 07, 2010, 03:59:58 PM »

Could someone kindly explain the stages of this event?  I do not recognize many of the names that competed.  Was this a preliminary heat for non invitees?  

Yes, the trials were open and anyone wanting to could enter. It was great to see a bunch of lessor known, but insanely talented surfers show the sup world just how damm good they are!

Yesterday we held the trials and the first round of the main event. Here is a breakdown:

All heats in trials and main event are 4 man heats with the top 2 surfers advancing. The scoring system was the best 2 waves surfed on a 1-10 scoring system.

Trials: consisted of 36 surfers
The top 8 or all semi finalists made to the 1st round of the main event

Main event 1st round
4-heats comprised of:
5-alternates
3-wild cards
8-trialists


As happens, some there were prior injuries and scheduling conflicts with some of the alternates and wild cards. So instead of 8 alternates there were 5, and instead of 4 wild cards there were 3. However, that was fortuitous  for the the trialists who placed 3rd & 4th in the semi finals of the trials. Although not surfing in the finals of the trials, they still got to surf in the 1st round of the main event.

Advancing out of the first round of the main event Slater continued his outstanding surfing and advanced to the 2nd round of the main event along with 17 year old Kai Lenny, Andrew LaGreco, Robby Naish, Kamaki Worthington, Robin Johnston, Kekoa Auwae and Arron Napoleon.

Main event
32 total surfers comprised of:
24 seeded surfers
8-the above mentioned eight surfers who advanced from either the trails or alternate/wild card seeds.

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Events / Re: 2010 Stand Up World Tour begins - Sunset Beach Pro -5th-14th Feb

« on: February 07, 2010, 02:36:05 PM »

Aloha deisel, I could not agree more about the young surfers! Slater Trout was......WOW!!!.....he surfed with so much poise, confidence and skill. His win was well WELL deserved. He is definitely going to give the older the established surfers a run for their money the main event.

At 12 years old Riggs Napoleon surfed way beyond his years and impressed the h*ll out of everyone! I cant even say his name without getting a big smile on my face! During one his later heats, I took a break and walked over by the PSH tent. Right then Riggs caught a BOMB and the entire beach stood up cheered. The look of pride and stoke on his dads Arron's, face said it all. It was truly a wonderful moment!

Other young teenage sup surfers to watch for are Zane Schweitzer, Kai Lenny and Connor Baxter.

The contest is off for today. Although the conditions at Sunset are beautiful today, it is too small for the event to run. The idea of the world stand up tour is to provide a platform for elite sup surfers to showcase their talents in the biggest heaviest waves possible. So while 6 foot Sunset is fun, running it in smaller lessor conditions than yesterday is not what we are looking for. There is another big swell due to hit Wednesday and with 7 days left in the waiting period, there is plenty of time & swell to run the final day in epic conditions.

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Sessions / Re: Haleiwa harbor

« on: February 04, 2010, 04:16:24 PM »

Oh yea, I remember it well steam!

That little wave (Chocolates) only breaks like in the video when the surf is huge, but it fun as h*ll in there!

BTW-steamroller, wasnt that the first time your son surfed a wave?

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Events / Re: Who is the best stand up paddlesurfer in big chunky waves ?

« on: February 04, 2010, 03:09:28 PM »

The forecast looks good for the contest to run on Saturday (the first day of the waiting period) with 8-12 Hawaiian scale waves. Could be epic!

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Sessions / Re: First Post

« on: January 07, 2010, 05:48:19 PM »

JEwing, nice to see you here. GREAT pics as always, thanks!