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There is a little patch of grass between Half Moon Bay and Santa Cruz with access to open ocean swell.

 ;D Well that narrows it down to 40+ miles, nothing that isn't big, cold, and sharky. Used to do the downwinder from Gazos to Waddell regularly until I got a ride back upwind from the AŮo Nuevo ranger one day. He said they had done research and any 'thing' down in the water will be 'tested' by a shark within 15 minutes.

Enjoy... and keep moving

Classifieds / Re: Gong Large Pro front wing and 40 Surf stabilizer
« on: March 19, 2021, 09:56:07 AM »
These are sold :)

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: February 25, 2021, 05:23:26 PM »
I have the 910 which I love and covers a huge range for me, Iím 77 kg. I have been thinking of the  PNG1010 or the Broad Spectrum1060 for the lighter end of my range and when the winds a bit inconsistent. I also donít want to buy the black series gear as Iíve only had my Axis set up a couple of months. So what dya think?

Donít really want to go as big as the 1150 as I had the Moses W1100 which I found too big.



The 1010 was my one wing quiver for winging last season at 87Kg. A few times I was wishing for a 910 in the 30+ wind and waves but we get such variable conditions over the course of a downwinder, better to have too much. It was great with the 390 tail and now with the 420 even better. Little penalty on the low end and noticeably faster at the high end.

I'd love to have an 1150 too but feel like the 1010 is big enough.

Classifieds / Gong Large Pro front wing and 40 Surf stabilizer
« on: February 25, 2021, 01:06:32 PM »
One Large Pro (Curve) front wing and 40 Surf stab for sale.
Front wing is like new, the tail has a couple of minor cosmetic scratches as pictured.
$385 shipped conus for the combo, won't separate the set. They belong together  :)


From marketing it looks like Armstrong might be better build quality. Is this accurate?


If you weigh over 70Kg I'd avoid the larger Moses wings. Seeing too many pulled front wing mount inserts from hard use / bad landings. Until they address that skinny contact area with three bolts it's going to stay a kitefoil company.

I'm waiting for the Slick. The Eleveight looks decent as well but it's too hard to tell if those rear handles would be needed regularly. I don't want handles at all :)

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Moses 950 foil
« on: February 12, 2021, 05:52:03 PM »
Looks like a nice wing, a lot of people are liking the 1100.

No matter how I do the math though, seems like that 6.65 aspect ratio is a misprint. They, and everyone else are just copying it from the Moses website  :o

Love it! Really makes it clear how unimportant that thing in your right hand is  ;D

Foil SUP / Re: Mast position fore/aft on the fuselage. Care to speculate?
« on: February 10, 2021, 11:05:54 AM »
Okay... Why? I know, crazy question, especially since I spent the evening designing an adapter to connect older Axis fuselages to the carbon masts. For the same level of effort I could just machine the fuselages to fit the carbon masts, but I'd like to be able to still use the aluminum masts. Kind of a reverse doodad.

There was an even older Axis fuse that won't accept the carbon mast? So the HPS series is their third fuse. I'm relatively new to Axis gear, and perfectly happy with what I have so the question of why is reasonable  :)  I probably only used my Gong kit 3x last season and my Axis kit 70+

Having just picked up the Axis 86cm carbon, I want to be able to use it with both Axis and Gong wings. Much harder to make an adapter to use Axis wings on a Gong fuse. There's no good reason why, maybe to avoid buying the Gong 85cm carbon mast as I have the 100cm version already and the Axis alu mast system is second to none.

It was easy enough to mod a stock Gong fuse to fit a 19mm alu mast shape (ala OBX Dave's version). I'll bet anyone with a sturdy drill press and a 3/8" 2 flute end mill could do a reasonable job, just has to be flat on the bottom of the slot. Starting from bar stock is going to be a much bigger deal with my little mill, especially tapering it all down to accept an Axis tail. Since we're going back into a serious winter situation here, it's probably time to sit down and finally really learn to use the Fusion 360 software and send the file and bar stock off to the big mill

That adapter is a nice clean solution Supunk. I'm wondering how much shorter that fuse is? The stock Gong fuse is 21.5" end to end.

Foil SUP / Re: Axis 420 tail
« on: February 06, 2021, 06:29:49 PM »
The downside of the 420 tail... :o

Yeah, I am definitely going to tone that thing down a bit. At least I'll always be wearing a wetsuit.

Foil SUP / Re: Mast position fore/aft on the fuselage. Care to speculate?
« on: February 06, 2021, 06:27:41 PM »
Awesome, I knew this was the place to pose a question like this  8)

It sounds like as long as I'm close, within a cm or two, I probably won't have a completely worthless hunk of aluminum (and a lot of chips). Unfortunately testing around here right now is well outside my tolerance for pain.

OBX Dave and others have done this mod already using a stock Gong alu fuse (a masterpiece of simplicity at $57, no great loss if it doesn't work), Dave's mod moved the mast forward about a cm. I've gone the opposite direction and lined up the rear hole so I'm back about a cm.

The next step is to make a real fuse from bar stock, 1" x 1 1/2" x 24" 6061 (about $21 a piece from, that will mate with the Axis Doodad (and carbon mast base). A lot simpler shape than machining out the mast shape (Unfortunately the stock Gong fuse isn't deep enough for the Doodad). It would be easy enough to make the slot long enough for a couple of different mast positions, better to just settle on one though, less drag.

Will keep you posted, all additional opinions appreciated :)

Foil SUP / Mast position fore/aft on the fuselage. Care to speculate?
« on: February 05, 2021, 07:29:31 PM »
Finally getting around to modding and making a couple of fuses to use my Gong wings on my Axis masts.

Does anyone have any real world experience (or even care to speculate) how moving where the mast attaches to the fuse (fore or aft) might change the feel of a foil system? I.E. could you say that moving the mast back on the fuse could be equalized by moving the mast back (or foward) on the board? (Seems there's more to it). There are a number of variables meshing these two system and I'll probably just end up splitting the difference but, since I have the option it would be interesting to hear opinions.

I hang mine by the leading edge handle, consequently I quit watching the video after about 45 seconds. By that logic we should just leave them semi inflated all the time :o Maybe it's more of an issue with very large diameter tubes and/or particular designs, never had a problem.

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: January 15, 2021, 10:38:42 AM »
Foiling NY's review of the 1300 is up, (obviously done last October), with some interesting conclusions. Faster than expected but low speed performance is not quite up to that of the 1150. The only wing thus far that is kept aloft by the second wake of the jetski (in the comments).

Wingsurfing, Windfoiling, Wingfoiling, Wing SUP / Re: Axis Foils
« on: December 29, 2020, 11:44:11 AM »
I appreciate the effort he takes in controlling the variables and presenting the information.

Agreed Jim,
I like his methodology. I can go back through past tests and compare. That little white buoy is always in the same place. And we weigh about the same. I think he's good enough at it now to show fairly small differences in gear.

The only variable I see is the amount of time he might spend on a setup really dialing it in before testing.

I never wanted for better performance last summer than my 1010/390 setup. I may try a 420 tail but don't see myself going black. Couldn't live with the increased stall speed and don't have any use for speeds over 20mph. 99% of my time riding waves downwind I'm going 6-15mph. If I was downwind racing I'd be much more interested but I'm in no hurry  :)

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