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The Shape Shack / Re: 14' Open water rocker / bottom shape help
« on: October 02, 2019, 05:24:23 PM »


Hello Burchas & TallDude

heres I hope a better picture -- the tail at the mark is around 23" wide and I am thinkin the mid mark is where i will stand (27" wide and stable was what I was after)

Its weigh in right at 22 lbs now -- which i am happy about -- the bottom is nice and flat for laminar flow -hope the water likes my rail profile ;]]
- maybe by this weekend

thanks for any input

aloha

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The Shape Shack / Re: 14' Open water rocker / bottom shape help
« on: October 02, 2019, 03:48:34 PM »


Hello Burchas & TallDude -- Thanks for the reply -- I will get the measurement and try to estimate where I will be standing -- as it a new board - the stand spot is kinda unknown -- not too scientific - of me -but I will approximate and get back with measurements

Oh the primer TallDude i used was just regular oil based primer but it wet sands really nice --good point if the primer is too hard it could crack i guess -- I have a satin overcoat to spray in a couple of days when the primer is cured a bit -- the whole project is taking much longer that usual -- guess i am taking more care as its first time using carbon --

thanks for all the info and interest

willi

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The Shape Shack / Re: 14' Open water rocker / bottom shape help
« on: October 02, 2019, 12:19:42 PM »


Hello Burchas and TallDude --

Here are a couple of pictures  of my board from the side showing  the rocker and and outline -- any info opinions about fin placement & any other comments too --
would be welcome -- and thank you all
I am finding Rustolum primer to be real fast drying and easy to wet sand -- maybe its cause the thinner is xyzlene - any thoughts ???

willi  aloha

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The Shape Shack / Re: 14' Open water rocker / bottom shape help
« on: September 30, 2019, 06:44:05 PM »


PRIMER for CARBON - in retrospect - as its done now -- whats the recommended primer for a carbon board -and overcoat - gloss --matt ???
-gotta be painted as it gets to hot here --

any paint advice would be appreciated

thank you
willi

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The Shape Shack / Re: 14' Open water rocker / bottom shape help
« on: September 30, 2019, 06:32:48 PM »


Hello Burchas -- Thank you for the offer --I will take it -- and get some pics going -- dealing with tacky paint in steamy Florida should post tomorrow

aloha

willi

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The Shape Shack / Re: 14' Open water rocker / bottom shape help
« on: September 28, 2019, 01:52:08 PM »


Any ideas on fin placement -- on a 14 (one in picture )   that will surf smaller downwind slush - both my 12.6 boards have about 24" to the back of the fin box and don't wiggle around too much when i do catch funky little waves --
wonder how to translate to a 14 - more suited to some downwind work

thanks again

aloha

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The Shape Shack / Re: 14' Open water rocker / bottom shape help
« on: September 27, 2019, 08:44:29 PM »


Woa - TallDude that is some project you did -- and yikes the final is awesome -- what perseverance you have -- lots of nights trying to sleep figuring out next step and all --']

Thanks for the info on the hot coat (and other tips too)-- The 2.8 oz cloth came out very flat top and bottom easy to hand lam --However it is so hot here the resin kicks quick -- no fooling around --got to get it down squeegie and clean up fast -- --  -
- so I will prime -- sand and spray it with an oil base white gloss -an put her in the water-
yes, very boring but it is wicked hot here and boards heat up fast  on beach or car top --high volume Gore vent in the middle --

For the record the 3K twill I used held together nicely - Soller and the guys were helpful with quick shipping. I got the 2.8 cloth from Thayercraft -- Steve is very knowledgeable -- but I am sure Zoners know about those sources.

Will send some pics when the boards painted --  -- right at 20lbs now with paint - fin & deck pad to come.

aloha
willi

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The Shape Shack / Re: 14' Open water rocker / bottom shape help
« on: September 26, 2019, 06:19:49 PM »


hello TallDude -(or anyone with an opinion ;])

- A little direction if you have time -- the 2.8 oz is down over the carbon and sanded --do you put a sand coat on and be done --or the concrete sealer now --

My other boards I have put a coat on and sanded to matt finish and left it (but that was with 2 x 6oz cloth - but no carbon - trying to save weight here   

maybe a hot coat as its quite smooth -

thank

aloha

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The Shape Shack / Re: 14' Open water rocker / bottom shape help
« on: September 25, 2019, 06:26:59 PM »


Hello TallDude -- yea lots of foam in an unlimited - how lont is it ? Did you build it ? Carbon & what would it weigh ?

Got the 2.8oz glass done on the bottom today 00 and wondered as you mentioned beofre -- you sand it all off ? I am guessing it is used to seal the carbon and is not needed !!!

I weight the board after i glassed it today and it right at 19 pounds -- Not much else to put on it - fin & box & deck pad  and glass the deck -- so I am happy with the projected (in my head) weight ! Oh and paint - sanded also ! Guess under 25 pounds would be OK for a home built board!

The new thread on paint is interesting / seems like the concrete sealer would be heavy ?

Thanks again for all the help

aloha

willi

thanks again for

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The Shape Shack / Re: 14' Open water rocker / bottom shape help
« on: September 24, 2019, 11:45:20 AM »


Hello TallDude -- Thanks for the reply & thoughts -- I did use spackle & thickened (microballons) epoxy to seal the blank as you suggested.
I had better luck with the botton being covered with plastic than I did the top -- the plastic  on top caught a bit of air and once the plastic is down and stuck its hard to get the air bags out of the plastic -- maybe i was using too thin .75 mil -- as it would rip pulling the tape tight pver the rail to the bottom. But did squeeqie down pretty nice.

I will use some 1 mil I have on the next experiment (it will be a Naish style down- wind board . We get pretty much afternoon wind here with little  bay or Gulf chop -- and though it would be fun.

I did an almost finished weigh in and it right at 19 pounds right now with maybe 2 more pounds of fin etc to add -- that amkes me happy -- now I gotta get it wet.

How many vents would you put in as it is a 14 -- but is gonna be painted white .??

thanks for your input

aloha







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The Shape Shack / Re: 14' Open water rocker / bottom shape help
« on: September 22, 2019, 05:04:49 PM »
missed a couple of pictures during the process

willi

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The Shape Shack / Re: 14' Open water rocker / bottom shape help
« on: September 22, 2019, 04:59:27 PM »

Hello TallDude & Tarquin -- TallDude The tip about using the roller table was spot on -- It is a hell of a lot easier than glassing with the cloth draped over the board and pouring resin on it -- If one has the room its the way to go.
I was even able to use the Jimmy Lewis thin plastic tip on the board after i got the carbon down on the board and trimmed.
 
Being in the heat over 80 here most of the time --  there was not time to chat as the carbon transfer went great - Tarquins tip about the roller heating up was good advise --I ran from the big table to the glassing room to unroll the carbon-- even then I could feel the heat --but the roll out process goes so fast - and once the carbon was down  and spread out there was a little time to work all the bubbles and laps out.
Speaking of bubbles -- I have about 6 or 8 --small ones yes I was paying attention but they snuck by ;} -- so what is the best treatment as i am sure not the first person to get a bubble in carbon ??? I was going to drill a small hole in the carbon and press some thixotropic glue into it with a heavy weight to flatten it out. This glue doesn't get hot enough to melt the foam - and it what I use to put my fin box in (and repairs) as there is no fear of too much heat and its very strong. Is the consistancy of vaseline when mixed so it stays where you put it.
The help you all have shared is awesome - thanks so much for the camraderie.

Here's a couple of pics of the process

Thanks again

Peace & Aloha





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The Shape Shack / Re: 14' Open water rocker / bottom shape help
« on: September 16, 2019, 04:56:05 PM »

Hello TallDude & Tarquin -- Thanks Tarquin for the heads up on the rolled wet glass -- never would have considered it  --but yea its a lot of volume of resin --I hooked up and air conditioner in my glassing room today to glass on a decending tempature -- thats right ?

I am guessin the second layer of light glass goes on right after the rolled up wet out carbon --it would seem the rolled up wet carbon would hold enough resin to wet out such a light cloth ?

I know he is so full of questions --

TallDude - could you tell me a bit about the concrete sealer -- when and what does it do  - well besides sealing - pin holes if any ?? after paint ?

I was going to order some S cloth but the lightest I can find is 6 oz -- a bit too heavy I guess -- the light glass is E glass and not as strong as S cloth -- guess its all a compromise.

Thanks for all the help.

Laguna / Mystic Arts World -- till it burned --Remembering  Corky Smith - Spider Wells - John Parlett consumate Life Guard at Oak Street - Greg Nickols - and Hobie live just north of Oak Street -- Brooks Street second reef  all just terrific memories ;]

Aloha & thanks





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The Shape Shack / Re: 14' Open water rocker / bottom shape help
« on: September 15, 2019, 05:57:27 PM »

Hello Tall Dude - That's great information -- I had not considered a wet out table --I guess the secret is to have the glass cut just about right and not too much resin before you roll it up.
Maybe use a  metal roller on the saturated glass >  to spread the epoxy on the  roll out table  - or even a squeegie to get extra epoxy out of the glass --
Do you put a light wet out coat on the blank first for the bond ?

I was thinking of dusting the glass and blank with spray adhesive to keep it down just around the transition area -- where the high nose comes into the standing area. Maybe thats too hokie but its how I have been doing my nose and tail for a while >.sticks good and conforms to sharp corners -- then wet it out with the glass on the rest of the board. No de-lam so far.

With the wet out table i assume you are putting the 2 oz on in the same lamination and free lap ? Not sure what 2K is but know about concrete sealer ---REALLY ;] Thats a new one - but I do believe you.

The fast n fit seal with epoxy after is great -- I have been doing one or the other -- but both makes sense - thanks for that --

So the rocker -- I get the idea of more rocker will slow the board down (and stages)-- but the tail rocker is important as it lets the water release out back --right ???

In rough chop & back wash like Key West slower is ok cause after falling  a number of times -- on a narrow  board you are toast - wide is slower but will not wear you out getting there --legs especially --(your opinion )

I can't thank you enough for all the information and your patience -- Your frequent contributions to the Zone are notable -- good job.

Willi

I am assuming you live in So-cal with the location of the Craigs list board --I lived in Laguna Beach in the 60's / Oak Street ;;]]]








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The Shape Shack / Re: 14' Open water rocker / bottom shape help
« on: September 15, 2019, 09:06:02 AM »
Hello Tarquin & TallDude-- I need to add my apologies to Tarquin for not asking about his 14' build -- and for using such a big font -- eyes are getting bad --

Tarquin I would be very interested in what your doing -- what kind of water conditions you deal with etc.

Let me ask - what you are TallDude using to seal the blank -- I have used Fast n Fit but my last 2 boards were heavish -- so i am thinking about epoxy and cabosil sealer.

I am going to use carbon as a first layer 3K twill --would you guys put 6 oz S glass over that or 4 oz


Back to the shop

aloha

willi



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